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post #181 of 384 Old 03-24-2009, 04:44 PM
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Please clarify, does the current 40" XBR7 come with 240Mhz motionflow? On the official Sony site, it says 120Mhz.

No! But video processing is amazing, I own a 46XBR3 and a 52w4100, colors, motion, smoothness, contrast is all exceptional on this set.

Any where between $1000-$1300 is a VERY GOOD BUY! Design is nice, speakers, sound is awesome and possibly better warranty than W series.
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what is the "auto-dimming" issue someone earlier? I have had my 52 xbr7 for about 3 weeks and have just noticed this ever so slight light flicker...otherwise I have been very pleased with the picture and features of the set.
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I played with my settings enough and think I fixed the issue I was referring to, in which I kept noticing a light flicker....turned the cinemotion setting down a notch and seems to have resolved totally resolved it. These damn TV's are just way smarter than I am.
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Hey, folks. I've had my KDL52XBR7 for about two weeks now and one thing about it is bugging me.

Here's an example of what it looks like dead-on; not bad.



The blacks start getting washed out when I look at it from the side:



And it's pretty much a worst-case scenario from the corner:



Photoshop is telling me that the brightness is almost 5x worse from the corner as it is dead-on. Is this what all XBR7's (and LCDs) do, or did I get a dud?

(All photos are shot ISO200 1/5s f3.3.)
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tongodeon, that seems abnormal compared to my KDL-40XBR7. Using a black background from my AppleTV and PS3, my blacks look better from an angled view, though not XBR8 good of course.

You might want to send these pics to a Sony rep.

On another note, one of the signals I'm feeding my XBR7 from my HTPC is an SD composite video signal from my HTPC's TV tuner (Sony Vaio RA desktop with Sony's Gigapocket TV tuner being fed from my digital cable box). Now, Sony's Gigapocket in my Vaio is probably the bottleneck here, as I don't think it's a great tuner. If I am not mistaken, doesn't one advantage the KDL-40XBR7's Bravia Engine 2 EX processor have over the regular Bravia Engine 2 is the ability upscale a 480i signal to 1080p? If so, is this a feature I need to turn on somewhere, or is it on by default? When I blow up my 480i Media Center window to fill my XBR7's display, it still looks a little blurry/washed out. I probably have to play with color output settings/gamma more. Every other HD signal I feed it looks spectacular.
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... Is this what all XBR7's (and LCDs) do, or did I get a dud?

(All photos are shot ISO200 1/5s f3.3.)

Can't speak for all XBR7s, but my 52XBR7 looks pretty much like your pictures do. Maybe not that bright on the off-angle shots, but it probably depends on where you've got your backlight set at. Personally... I wouldn't watch a lot of TV from either of those two positions you've shown in the pictures and expect great picture quality.

I'm kind of thinking that no matter what LCD set you get, if you view it darn near parallel with the screen, blacks are going to wash out.
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I sent Sony Support the above photos and here's the response I got back.

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Thank you for contacting Sony Support.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience you are experiencing with the Sony TV in which the picture does not display normally from the sides. The maximum side shot angle that can be used when displaying a 780p, 780i or 1080i picture from the TV is 45 degrees.

NOTE: The 480i and 480p display setting can have a maximum side shot angle of 55 degrees.

Please note that this model is not known by Sony to be defective in any way and we are not aware of such issue.

I think I'm just getting over-obsessed with this. What I'd *really* like is an OLED display with infinite contrast and 180 degree viewing angle, but I think that's about a decade away.
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What I'd *really* like is an OLED display with infinite contrast and 180 degree viewing angle, but I think that's about a decade away.

or get the sony 11" OLED now for only $2499.99

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644539854


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is there any calibration setting fort the Z450A (Z4500 or XBR7) in dark room running 1080p bluray movies?
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or get the sony 11" OLED now for only $2499.99

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644539854


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imho, the new sony 40 inch thin LCD for $2900 is a better deal than OLED
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today. Went to hear the speakers on a 32" XBR9, the same that will be on the 40" XBR9. They sounded like crap! Don't care how much better the picture quality MAY be on a 40" XBR9, sound quality killed the reason for waiting. Also helped that the price was really good, no sales tax, free delivery & setup and seven day return for any reason, with no restocking charge. Now if standoutdesigns.com will just get the stand here quickly I will be a very happy person!
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Hey, folks. I've had my KDL52XBR7 for about two weeks now and one thing about it is bugging me.

Here's an example of what it looks like dead-on; not bad.



The blacks start getting washed out when I look at it from the side:



And it's pretty much a worst-case scenario from the corner:



Photoshop is telling me that the brightness is almost 5x worse from the corner as it is dead-on. Is this what all XBR7's (and LCDs) do, or did I get a dud?

(All photos are shot ISO200 1/5s f3.3.)

My first W series looked like that. The clouding always appears worse when looking from an angle. I got an exchange and the new set is much better with minimal flashlights and clouding. The first set was much worse. I'd consider an exchange.
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So i got a question for you xbr7 owners,

can you actually tell a difference between 240 hz and 120?
I haven't been able to see any 240 hz tvs in person, but i'm a motionflow whore

I have an older 40" d3000 with 120 hz and i love it, but i want bigger and i'm thinking i should go the 240hz route.
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Well... without a 52" XBR6 120Hz to compare side by side with my 52" XBR7, I can't really say for sure. But I can say this...

My parents have a 40" W-Series 120 Hz. No side-by-side test, but mine looks cleaner/crisper than theirs in all types of shows - DVDs, fast-action, sports, SD and HD cable TV. It's a perception thing, for sure... but even watching the basketball games recently, I just can't see any artifacts, trails, ghosting, pixelation... or anything else like that.

The technical side of my brain is saying I shouldn't really see any difference between 120 and 240. But my eyes seem to be telling me different. So maybe the 240 Hz is actually doing something for me.

Would I go out and spend more money on a 240 set? No way. But I got mine for less than the equivalent 120 set, so who was I to complain?!
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Well... without a 52" XBR6 120Hz to compare side by side with my 52" XBR7, I can't really say for sure. But I can say this...

My parents have a 40" W-Series 120 Hz. No side-by-side test, but mine looks cleaner/crisper than theirs in all types of shows - DVDs, fast-action, sports, SD and HD cable TV. It's a perception thing, for sure... but even watching the basketball games recently, I just can't see any artifacts, trails, ghosting, pixelation... or anything else like that.

The technical side of my brain is saying I shouldn't really see any difference between 120 and 240. But my eyes seem to be telling me different. So maybe the 240 Hz is actually doing something for me.

Would I go out and spend more money on a 240 set? No way. But I got mine for less than the equivalent 120 set, so who was I to complain?!

I think, it is xbr series diff video processing, not 120 vs 240 hz
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Well... without a 52" XBR6 120Hz to compare side by side with my 52" XBR7, I can't really say for sure. But I can say this...

My parents have a 40" W-Series 120 Hz. No side-by-side test, but mine looks cleaner/crisper than theirs in all types of shows - DVDs, fast-action, sports, SD and HD cable TV. It's a perception thing, for sure... but even watching the basketball games recently, I just can't see any artifacts, trails, ghosting, pixelation... or anything else like that.

The technical side of my brain is saying I shouldn't really see any difference between 120 and 240. But my eyes seem to be telling me different. So maybe the 240 Hz is actually doing something for me.

Would I go out and spend more money on a 240 set? No way. But I got mine for less than the equivalent 120 set, so who was I to complain?!



how are the artifacts on the xbr7 when set to high?
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I think, it is xbr series diff video processing, not 120 vs 240 hz

except the 52xbr7 has the same video processing as the xbr6 (and all the other sony's below xbr6) -- the BraviaEngine 2 .

so directly comparing the 52xbr6 to the 52xbr7 would be an great comparison since the only difference is the 240 ; i wish cnet had done exactly that in their review of the 52xbr7.


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except the 52xbr7 has the same video processing as the xbr6 (and all the other sony's below xbr6) -- the BraviaEngine 2 .

so directly comparing the 52xbr6 to the 52xbr7 would be an great comparison since the only difference is the 240 ; i wish cnet had done exactly that in their review of the 52xbr7.


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I meant was superiority to W series. XBR7 is just XBR6 with 240 HZ, so basically both are same but diff video processing from W4100
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I meant was superiority to W series. XBR7 is just XBR6 with 240 HZ, so basically both are same but diff video processing from W4100

well the w4100 has the same BE2 engine, though maybe an 8bit panel/processing if that's what you mean. ....but i'd still like to see a direct comparison 'tween the 52xbr6 and the 52xbr7. there's more 240's coming and this would be a nice test to sort the spec hype from the reality.

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well the w4100 has the same BE2 engine, though maybe an 8bit panel/processing if that's what you mean. ....but i'd still like to see a direct comparison 'tween the 52xbr6 and the 52xbr7. there's more 240's coming and this would be a nice test to sort the spec hype from the reality.

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I always try to get some thing comparing both XBR6 and 7 @ sony style, and never get impressed with later.
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I always try to get some thing comparing both XBR6 and 7 @ sony style, and never get impressed with later.

You mean you've actually stood there and compared the two sets to each other?
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You mean you've actually stood there and compared the two sets to each other?

yes! same signal, usually iron man bluray .
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yes! same signal, usually iron man bluray .




And you are saying that you can't tell the diff between the 240
And 120 hertz? Maybe I'll just get the xbr6 then
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And you are saying that you can't tell the diff between the 240
And 120 hertz? Maybe I'll just get the xbr6 then


yes! By all means, it is cheaper too!
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so is the motion the exact same on the w4100 as the xbr then? There is a huge price difference there. I definately don't want to shell out a bunch of money for features I'll never notice
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so is the motion the exact same on the w4100 as the xbr then? There is a huge price difference there. I definately don't want to shell out a bunch of money for features I'll never notice

I also own a 52w4100, and It is ok, with 120hz, audio/speakers are really bad to my taste, marginally I'll give a couple 100s more for xbr6 just for this reason, and benefit of better warranty. Rest up to you, see them side by side. New V5100 is same as 52w4100, in diff clothing.
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A few comments...

Graphics Engine - as TVbc mentioned, the 52" version of the XBR7 uses the same engine as the XBR6 and the W-series. Sony really buggered up the XBR7 series when they made each size have a different set of features as some of the XBR7s have the next better graphics engine. Dumb, dumb, dumb. As far as the 8-bit color panel on the W-series and the 10-bit panel for the XBR6/XBR7... I don't see how this could have an effect on motion, but who knows.

Sounds - Two main reasons I didn't go with the W-series was the 8 vs 10 bit color panel, and the sound quality of the W-series. Agree with you zoro... the sound quality on the W-series is really bad. I didn't expect much better with the XBR6/7, but was pleasantly surprised. Unless you want surround sound, no need for auxiliary speakers in my opinion.

Price - Depending on who you want to buy from, and if you hit the right pricing window, the XBR7 can be cheaper than the XBR6. Go figure.

Warranty - Contrary to a lot of things I've read, all XBRs do NOT have an 18-month warranty. The 52" XBR6 only has a 12-month warranty. The 52" XBR7 has an 18-month warranty. If length of warranty is a concern to you, then make sure you read the actual warranty card BEFORE you purchase to make sure of what you're getting!

Another plus between the W-series and XBR6/7 is the remote. The W-series just comes with a remote that controls the TV. The XBR6/7 comes with a "universal" remote that can be programmed to control other items. I'd planned on getting a Logitech universal to control everything (and still might!), but for now I can control 99.9% of the functions of my Comcast HD set top box, Panasonic DVD/VHS player/recorder, and the TV from the standard remote that came with the XBR6/7. Nice.

Personally, for the 52" model I see a bunch of reasons to spend the extra $ to get a XBR6 over a W-series, but very few reasons to get a XBR7 over a XBR6.
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Personally, for the 52" model I see a bunch of reasons to spend the extra $ to get a XBR6 over a W-series, but very few reasons to get a XBR7 over a XBR6.

and you nailed it man! same my recommendation.

Sony needs to come out with competitive 55 inch sets by Summer or go down deeper doom
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40" XBR7 in on the way as I write. STB will be Verizon Fios. Output from the STB can be 720p or 1080i. Which, in theory, should give the best PQ? Any other settings that should be changed from factory settings?
Thanx in advance.
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40" XBR7 in on the way as I write. STB will be Verizon Fios. Output from the STB can be 720p or 1080i. Which, in theory, should give the best PQ? Any other settings that should be changed from factory settings?
Thanx in advance.

actually, it is amazing it comes out with pretty decent settings out of box. I tried one suggested for xbr6 and did not quite like it.

Any thing better would be much appreciated.
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