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Just an update for the interested few!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/v...-series-hdtvs/

September and $2200. Ouch, I wonder why the delay and the increased price? It is a good value but still.

Guess that gives me more time to save up. At that price I hope that damn speaker bar is removable!
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I went to Walmart and the Vizio TV's right out of the box look better than all other brands. I think Sony and Samsung and everyone else should have better settings right out the box because they either look dull or dark. No wonder why Vizio is kicking everybody's butt in the LCD market Vizio = SMART

As has been said many, many times, Sony and Samsungs settings ARE better right out of the box... when you unbox it in your home. There is a lot more to picture quality than brightness in an store that is over saturated with light.
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September and $2200. Ouch, I wonder why the delay and the increased price? It is a good value but still.

Just wondering: where did you see the $2200?

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Just wondering: where did you see the $2200?

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Look at the last pic of the Engadget article. It is the last one with pricing. It shows an MSRP of $2,199.99 and not $2k as has been reported. Wonder which one is correct?
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I've lost all interest in this set. The UltimateAV blog post said it had worse black levels than most of the lcds and even worse than last years Vizio plasma, as well as worse contrast and shadow detail. I'd rather get a Panasonic 54G10 for $1700 than wait until September and pay more for this.
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I've lost all interest in this set. The UltimateAV blog post said it had worse black levels than most of the lcds and even worse than last years Vizio plasma, as well as worse contrast and shadow detail. I'd rather get a Panasonic 54G10 for $1700 than wait until September and pay more for this.

Care to provide a link to that? I just find it really difficult to believe that a set that actually turns off the backlight can have such terrible black levels.
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Here's a linik to the article I found. He has some pretty positive things to say about the set.
http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/scottw...ltimate_vizio/

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Here's a linik to the article I found. He has some pretty positive things to say about the set.
http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/scottw...ltimate_vizio/

Positive? A cubical with black draps for testing? Sounds pretty high-tech.

"Vizio revealed that the backlight includes 960 white LEDs in 80 independently controllable groups." This is a total fail. The more LED's and zones means the better grey scales and better control of halo effects.

For a comparison, the xxLH90 is the latests local dimming LED tv from LG. They have almost 3,000 LEDs and 240 clusters or LED zones. The Sony XBR8 and Sammy 950 have less than that but they are last years models so I expect them to meet or exceed LG's numbers with their replacement LD LED tv's this year. There is a max number and threshold where more isn't necessarily better but Vizio is well below what the top tier companies are doing.

Sorry, I had high hopes and maybe it will be better than the specs indicate, but you can get the LG for well under $2800 if you search around. I will say that I haven't seen the LH90 set yet (this week) and there are no pro reviews yet so I can not speak real world performance but the specs would indicate that it has a lot going for it, especially at the prices they are selling for.
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Here's a linik to the article I found. He has some pretty positive things to say about the set.
http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/scottw...ltimate_vizio/

It's mixed results
and Vizio 551 doesn't produce blacks as good as Sammy 950! based on it.
And another 3 months delays on top of it ...

Looks like by the time 551 will be ready LG LED based will be in $2200 price range and Sammy refresh may hit market as well, where 6000 / 7000 could replace 650 models in $2000 price range

than what? Vizio will announce the next LCD model for the next year that is better on the PAPER than current LCD monitors / TV
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I'm surprised people here thought Vizio would pull some miracle off and waited this long. I hope lipcrkr is eating his words right now.
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It's mixed results
and Vizio 551 doesn't produce blacks as good as Sammy 950! based on it.
And another 3 months delays on top of it ...

Looks like by the time 551 will be ready LG LED based will be in $2200 price range and Sammy refresh may hit market as well, where 6000 / 7000 could replace 650 models in $2000 price range

than what? Vizio will announce the next LCD model for the next year that is better on the PAPER than current LCD monitors / TV

It is same ugly duckling we waited for so long! Well
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It is same ugly duckling we waited for so long! Well

yes, and will have to wait for 3+ months more
and only than we'll know if it can produce black that is BLACK or gray as it's in 550
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Vizio VF550XVT $1550 SamsClub
Hitachi L55S603 $1800 September 09
Toshiba 55ZV650U $1900 Amazon Beach Audio
Vizio VF551XVT LED $2000 September 09

Others..
Toshiba 55ZV670U LED $3000 MSRP at Toshiba site
Samsung UN55B7100 LED $3300 Amazon
Samsung UN55B8000 LED $4000 BBuy
Sony KDL-55XBR8 LED $4800 - $6400 Amazon

I was waiting to see this Vizio for quite some time. I liked the fact that it came with the soundbar option since I might not go with surround sound in the room I was putting it (it is a "second" living room outside a home-theater room....

So is the Samsung UN55B7100 the next best thing to get? For $1,100 more and available now it might just be worth it. I should probably have picked up the KURO two weeks ago when BB sold it at a significant discount (think it was down to $2K for the 50-inch model), but I didn't.....
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I have a question for you Costco shoppers. I plan on saving to purchase this model from Costco here in town when the tv will become available now I would like to use my Visa or Mastercard (which on there website states they accept) but while shopping for some groceries last week the store here in town told me they only accept American Express? Has anyone purchased a TV from them in store with a credit card other than American Express? Thank you in advance and it seems weird to me they would limit themselves by accepting only AE.

The only store accepted in store is American Express, because they're partnered with Amex (there's a Costco branded Amex, etc.) Sam's club is the one that used to only accept Discover, but now they take both Discover and Mastercard (but not Visa or Amex).

Of course if you only have a Costco or Sam's near you it's a moot point. The Costco website also lets non-members purchase things with a surcharge but this isn't the case in-store either.

Anyways, they all take cash so if you have cash available that'll work at both stores
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September and $2200. Ouch, I wonder why the delay and the increased price? It is a good value but still.

Guess that gives me more time to save up. At that price I hope that damn speaker bar is removable!

I see the pricing sheet but which photo is actually the new 55" LED display?
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It's mixed results
and Vizio 551 doesn't produce blacks as good as Sammy 950! based on it.
And another 3 months delays on top of it ...

He's talking about a preproduction unit that they're still tuning. We'll see in September whether they can get the blacks even blacker.
Since it's MSRP is a good 2 grand lower I don't see what the problem is. It's probably going to street for even cheaper than it's $1999 MSRP so I find it hard to believe that there's going to be other sets that are even close to comparable for the money.
I don't think people expect Vizio to go overnight from producing budget sets to the very best set on the planet, but I think Vizio just wants to make the very best $2000 55" TV on the planet
If they actually managed to outdo the $4000 sets then the other TV manufacturers would be in some real deep doo-doo.
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He's talking about a preproduction unit that they're still tuning. We'll see in September whether they can get the blacks even blacker.
Since it's MSRP is a good 2 grand lower I don't see what the problem is. It's probably going to street for even cheaper than it's $1999 MSRP so I find it hard to believe that there's going to be other sets that are even close to comparable for the money.
I don't think people expect Vizio to go overnight from producing budget sets to the very best set on the planet, but I think Vizio just wants to make the very best $2000 55" TV on the planet
If they actually managed to outdo the $4000 sets then the other TV manufacturers would be in some real deep doo-doo.

I'll only make a few comments to this but the specs are terrible compared to competing brands. The LG is being sold much cheaper than the MSRP and only a few hundred more than the Vizio so why not spend the money on a much better TV to begin with.

I don't expect Vizio to go from budget sets to the very best best $2k 55" TV but the problem with that is it is $2K! For that price I could get a G10 or V10 50" Panny plasma! Vizio is cheap and always will be. They don't have the infrastructure to keep pace because they don't do any real R&D to make their products better, they just purchase off-the-shelf parts and slap them together and hope it works.

Sorry I don't mean to insult any Vizio owners they are decent sets at the low price point, but they will NEVER get any better.
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It's probably going to street for even cheaper than it's $1999 MSRP so I find it hard to believe that there's going to be other sets that are even close to comparable for the money.

I'll wager the Samsung LN52B750 for less than $100 more (Big River deals) bests it handily.
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240Hz Refresh Rate!! Sounds very promising. Better then my 120Hz. Id really like to see this in action. IF anyone has any feedback on this refresh rate let me know! [IMG]http://www.entertainment-place.info/smile/img/2658/*************************[/IMG]


[img]http://www.****************/blog/see.GIF[/img]

Careful bud, don't TOO caught up the Hz Refresh rate. More a gimmick than a feature [IMG]http://www.entertainment-place.info/smile/img/2659/*************************[/IMG]
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Hi,

Could you educate me about benefits of 120Hz or even 240Hz for HTPC that produces 60Hz from DVI / HDMI Video card?
I just don't understand how this refresh rate multiplying helps?

I understand that this was done for BRay 24fps input to multiply it by 5 or 10 instead of 3:2 pulldown.

HTPC Video card might provide 120Hz, but not 240Hz.

Also I read that some claim 240Hz as 120 real rate as LCD panel just doesn't work at 240 rate.

May be 120Hz is really enough to cover 24fps (DVD,BRay), 30fps (PAl and etc video) and 60fps (OTA TV , 1080/60p video) - all that could multiply in HTPC for resulting 120Hz. Any one has it already @home?

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I'll only make a few comments to this but the specs are terrible compared to competing brands. The LG is being sold much cheaper than the MSRP and only a few hundred more than the Vizio so why not spend the money on a much better TV to begin with.

I don't expect Vizio to go from budget sets to the very best best $2k 55" TV but the problem with that is it is $2K! For that price I could get a G10 or V10 50" Panny plasma! Vizio is cheap and always will be. They don't have the infrastructure to keep pace because they don't do any real R&D to make their products better, they just purchase off-the-shelf parts and slap them together and hope it works.

Sorry I don't mean to insult any Vizio owners they are decent sets at the low price point, but they will NEVER get any better.

What LG is everyone referring to? the 55lh90?
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240Hz Refresh Rate!! Sounds very promising. Better then my 120Hz. Id really like to see this in action. IF anyone has any feedback on this refresh rate let me know! [IMG]http://www.*****************/trafficreport/img/3721/k08t1221bbuq/gdsmile.gif[/IMG]

Refresh Rate is really the best, especially if you have one. Lol.
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I was waiting to see this Vizio for quite some time. I liked the fact that it came with the soundbar option since I might not go with surround sound in the room I was putting it (it is a "second" living room outside a home-theater room....

So is the Samsung UN55B7100 the next best thing to get? For $1,100 more and available now it might just be worth it. I should probably have picked up the KURO two weeks ago when BB sold it at a significant discount (think it was down to $2K for the 50-inch model), but I didn't.....

As I mentioned in a previous post, I'd do some extensive reading on this forum before buying the Samsung LED. The general impression I get is that people are happier with the plasma than with the Samsung LED's.

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I'm really bummed about this delay. I was all set to replace my 19" (our 27" died last month) and finally go HD with this set and now I have to wait until September? My living room has a lot of ambient light so I was going to go with lcd, but now I'm thinking plasma. I am so confused...
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Been looking for this lol thanks a lot
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Is it the higher refresh rate thats better? or is it lower? or does it depend?

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The Vizio 551XVT we've been waiting for won't be here until September, and it will cost $200 more than announced - i.e., $2,199 not $1,999

http://www.cepro.com/article/vizio_2..._of_31_models/

But the contrast ratio looks like it will now be 2,000,000:1 and not 1,000,000:1 (I assume this top-of-the-line set with backlit smart dimming will sport the highest contrast ratio in Vizio's lineup).
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The Vizio 551XVT we've been waiting for won't be here until September, and it will cost $200 more than announced - i.e., $2,199 not $1,999

http://www.cepro.com/article/vizio_2..._of_31_models/

But the contrast ratio looks like it will now be 2,000,000:1 and not 1,000,000:1 (I assume this top-of-the-line set with backlit smart dimming will sport the highest contrast ratio in Vizio's lineup).

I wonder if that is the picture of the 551 bearing the chrome-ish speaker bar, I thought I had read that the 551 was not going to have the bar and be all black.

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I wonder if that is the picture of the 551 bearing the chrome-ish speaker bar, I thought I had read that the 551 was not going to have the bar and be all black.

It would make sense if all they are intending to do is drop the 551 panel into the 550 frame. Might explain all that empty space inside the 550 and its 5 inch depth .
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I wonder if that is the picture of the 551 bearing the chrome-ish speaker bar, I thought I had read that the 551 was not going to have the bar and be all black.

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packing leading edge electronics into a great price-point may be Vizio's strong suit, but design is clearly not. really unattractive display....
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gentlemen, please bear with me, as i am NOT an experienced audio/video phile.

I have a big living rm that is begging for a big screen HDTV, its basically on the dark side, as far as lighting goes. I am a big sports nut, too.

My budget is around 2k max...........Can you recommend a TV (52-55") which will fit my needs? (from what i have read, i am thinking i probably should go with a plasma)
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