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Could you explain these internet features?

What does Internet TV let you do?
What are widgets?
What is DLNA?
Does the B650 offer as many of these internet features as say, the b7100? Or does the b7100 offer even more internet versatility?

If I would just like to download or stream a movie from my computer or from NetFlix with a wireless connection to my TV, which of these features do I really need?

(I apologize if this seemingly basic question has been answered in some other thread)
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Could you explain these internet features?
What does Internet TV let you do?
What are widgets?
What is DLNA?
Does the B650 offer as many of these internet features as say, the b7100? Or does the b7100 offer even more internet versatility?

If I would just like to download or stream a movie from my computer or from NetFlix with a wireless connection to my TV, which of these features do I really need?

(I apologize if this seemingly basic question has been answered in some other thread)

Internet TV is not all that great in 2009. With Widgets (these are small applications) you can link to a few cities for weather conditions and 5 days forecasts. With Stock Widget you can enter your favorite stock or mutual funds and get quotes. There is a photo widget that allows you to load and review your pictures. There is a news widget that gets you the top stories. The widgets are a bit slow to startup but you can leave them open on the side of the TV and shrink the TV picture to be full image beside the widget or have the widget overlay the TV with the push of a button.

I have not seen the ability to download or stream a movie and I am hopeful somebody will write a Widget to do this soon. You can go to Yahoo Widgets and load any number of new and interesting little applications. I use a separate box (Vudu) for movie downloading and streaming. Some day soon you will not need a separate box.

The wireless connection requires a special Samsung USB stick plugged into an available USB port. It sells for $80 and is back ordered for 4 weeks. I use a wired connection but will switch to wireless when there is a good reason.

Someone claimed the B650 series has more internet features than the B7100. I don't know if this is true, I only have a B650. I am looking to add a larger B8000 series in another room as soon as I am assured of a stable economic environment.
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I had a question for the owners of this lcd
I am looking towards connecting a mac mini to this television. I wanted to know does it do dot by dot 1920x1080. I am not sure what is it exactly called, i think its 1:1 something.
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I had a question for the owners of this lcd
I am looking towards connecting a mac mini to this television. I wanted to know does it do dot by dot 1920x1080. I am not sure what is it exactly called, i think its 1:1 something.
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Samsung names it "Screen fit" in picture mode settings. (No over scan)
Depending on your connection type, the Screen fit mode may or may not be available.

If you use the normal PC connection, the mode is not available.
If you use HDMI or DVI/HDMI and your PC has 1080i/1080p output, Screen fit mode should be available.
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after the reviews and owner comparison's, is the A650 still the king of the hill or has the B650 taken over as the set to have ?

I am beginning to think it is 6 of 1 and a half dozen of the other, perhaps its a draw or is it not ?
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Was the A650 ever king of the hill?

The B650 is generally better (other than the look) and has a few improvements that allow it to do things the A650 can't,
except for one feature. It doesn't have an S-video input.
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Samsung names it "Screen fit" in picture mode settings. (No over scan)
Depending on your connection type, the Screen fit mode may or may not be available.

If you use the normal PC connection, the mode is not available.
If you use HDMI or DVI/HDMI and your PC has 1080i/1080p output, Screen fit mode should be available.

I just got a LN40B650 and I'm using it with my PC.

Over VGA you get no overscan by default.

Over DVI/HDMI, you can use screen fit mode, or you can simply name the input to DVI PC. What I mean by that is that the Samsung sets allow you to assign names (from a pre-set list) the various input sources. If your PC is connected to say HDMI 1 and you assign the name "DVI PC" to HDMI 1 the TV automatically turns off overscan, AutoMotion Plus, and a few other features that aren't appropriate for PC input.

So yes the TV will do 1:1 pixel mapping with 1920x1080.

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Now that I'm using the TV I can report a few things.

The TV does NOT have a macroblocking problem. It does, however, as I hypothesized before, make any macroblocking in the source more obvious as a function of it's fast response time and overall crispness.

When running video games and uncompressed video, there's no visible blocking. When viewing Comcast HD channels, which are compressed to hell, macroblocking in their video really stands out. It's unfortunate, but you can't really blame the TV for this.

Regarding lag: With the appropriate input named "DVI PC" I notice absolutely no lag in games or on the desktop. I upgraded from an "old" LN-T2653H and this TV seems way more responsive than the older one.

I can't comment on the internet or media functions since I haven't used them and probably never will since there's no point with my PC connected directly to the TV.

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The bad: The TV has two stuck pixels out of the box and nothing I've tried to unstick them has worked. They're not noticable at normal viewing distances, but nevertheless it still sucks to get a brand new TV and have two stuck pixels right away.

*Update 4/9/03*: I've since had the TV exchanged and the new one has 0 dead or stuck pixels.

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There are a couple variations on this model, if this is of interested to anyone. I found these when I went to register.

LN40B650T1FXZA
LN40B650T1FXZX
LN40B650T1MXZD

Mine is an FXZA
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Was the A650 ever king of the hill?

For LCD tech it was for a while. CNET used it as the bench mark for which other LCDs were judged. Now of course like all tech it's rain was short lived by the A950 and XBR8 sets. However, it's been a price performance leader for some time now.

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I just wanted to say that I've noticed a lot of macroblocking while gaming with AMP at the default settings around the boarders of character models. Buuuut it's not that bad and I don't really care, but it's reproducible.
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I read the glossy screen had been improved over the a650 series to reduce glare.
Is that for benefit of the contrast ratio only or does it show less reflection of the room than the a 650's?
Have any of you seen both the a650 and b650 side by side to tell difference in reflection amount?
Trying to decide between an a630 and b650. (Not sure I can wait for the b610)
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I just wanted to say that I've noticed a lot of macroblocking while gaming with AMP at the default settings around the boarders of character models. Buuuut it's not that bad and I don't really care, but it's reproducible.

You're probably seeing the "shifting" effect of AutoMotion, not macroblocking. If it macroblocking, you should see it across the whole scene.

In PC mode, which automatically disables AMP, I have no macroblocking and no shifting effect in games.
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Does anyone have the calibration settings for the LN46B650 yet? I don't see them on tweaktv yet, although they do have the LN40B650. Will the settings for the 40" be the same for the 46"?
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In a dark room, can some who owns one please comment on the black uniformity?

thanks
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Put my post in the 630B thread.
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In a dark room, can some who owns one please comment on the black uniformity?

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Seems fine to me. I mean it's not perfect, but you should never be watching a screen in pitch black anyway.

With moderate to dim ambient light levels it looks perfectly uniform to me.

I'd take a picture, but the best digital camera I have available at the moment is a horrible VGA cell phone cam.
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Does anyone have some hands-on experience with the DLNA features of this LCD?

Can I pretty much throw anything at it without problems?
Are the DLNA features compareable with a Popcorn hour?

Thanks in advance!
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thank you for that part.. but does anyone know the answer to part two? is the panel driven 8-bit like the A650 or is it driven 10-bit like the A750 (and up)?

i figured the panel was 10-bit like the A but could never find it explcitly stated..

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Following up on my own post since i've not seen it here.. but i believe the processing is still 8-but behind the panel. Finally got the chance to a/b compare a B650 and A750 and the HD newcast I was watching, the B650 showed a bit of banding on the gradation of the newsreader's coat. The A750 didn't have the banding. I waded through all the menu options I could find to make sure nothing major was different processing-wise. Both sets were showing an OTA HD local news broadcast.

I had been building up to snag a 40A750, saw the B650s come out along with their debate, stalled.. and now I'm stalling again until the B750s show up around here to finally shell out.

*sigh*

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The A650 and the B series are Ten bit panels - every once in awhile a newbie arrives on the scene and speaks out without actually reading whats been going on for the past several years (history) and the panel is Ten Bit.

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Hey guys I just ordered a new digital camera. When I get it I'll put up some shots of the black uniformity.

I also still have an old 19" CRT sitting around, which I'm pretty sure still works, so I'll put up some lag shots too. I really don't notice any lag in PC mode.
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any experts, with recommended calibration settings?

Just got my LN46B650 in and so far very nice pic. Have it on Movie mode right now and have not touched any othwer setting. Once I have time I would like to run DVE on it.
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Tweak TV has some settings, but personally I think they're crap. Then again, the settings I like would probably be poo-pooed by most AV snobs anyway.

http://www.tweaktv.com/tweak-my-tv/c...ln-40b650.html
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Following up on my own post since i've not seen it here.. but i believe the processing is still 8-but behind the panel. Finally got the chance to a/b compare a B650 and A750 and the HD newcast I was watching, the B650 showed a bit of banding on the gradation of the newsreader's coat. The A750 didn't have the banding. I waded through all the menu options I could find to make sure nothing major was different processing-wise. Both sets were showing an OTA HD local news broadcast.

I had been building up to snag a 40A750, saw the B650s come out along with their debate, stalled.. and now I'm stalling again until the B750s show up around here to finally shell out.

*sigh*

-r

If it's anything, I would be more inclined to blame it on Samsung's panel swap outs rather than the processing. I think it was pretty well established they used both 8 and 10 bit panels randomly in the 61/65 series from a couple years ago (check out the thread). Then there is the AU Optics and Chi-Mei debacle from the A630- from last year. I haven't seen any evidence about A650+'s, but they sure had a lot of panel versions in them (SQ, SX, SS, etc...) so I definitely wouldn't put it past them to have both 8 and 10 bit variations out there. Like you said, it's not an explicitly marketed feature. With the B650 being a lower end model this year (like 5 or 6 models above it), I don't think it's much a reach to assume they may be intermixing some of the second quality components in it (or will as time goes on).
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The A650 and the B series are Ten bit panels - every once in awhile a newbie arrives on the scene and speaks out without actually reading whats been going on for the past several years (history) and the panel is Ten Bit.

a - newbie to the forums but definitely been researching like mad since i like to know what i spend a bunch of money on.

b - if you bothered to look at the referenced post.. i asked a week or so ago about the bit depth of both the screen and the processing of the tv. got responses the panel is 10-bit.. but nothing about the processing behind it in the tv itself. i know the a750 is a total 10-bit image path, brains to panel. the a650 is a 10-bit panel with only 8-bit processing behind it. nobody has said or pointed to any doc stating the total data path on the b650 either way. first-hand eyeball-comparison between a b650 and a750 with the same source seemed to indicate while the panel may be 10 bit the guts behind it may only be sending 8 bits of data (i.e. more-pronounced banding).

if you can point me so some exact source stating either way i'd appreciate it it. otherwise, you posting has less useful info than mine (which also admitted it was pretty much subjective but still lacking any direct evidence either way).

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a - newbie to the forums but definitely been researching like mad since i like to know what i spend a bunch of money on.

b - if you bothered to look at the referenced post.. i asked a week or so ago about the bit depth of both the screen and the processing of the tv. got responses the panel is 10-bit.. but nothing about the processing behind it in the tv itself. i know the a750 is a total 10-bit image path, brains to panel. the a650 is a 10-bit panel with only 8-bit processing behind it. nobody has said or pointed to any doc stating the total data path on the b650 either way. first-hand eyeball-comparison between a b650 and a750 with the same source seemed to indicate while the panel may be 10 bit the guts behind it may only be sending 8 bits of data (i.e. more-pronounced banding).

if you can point me so some exact source stating either way i'd appreciate it it. otherwise, you posting has less useful info than mine (which also admitted it was pretty much subjective but still lacking any direct evidence either way).

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Research done by members on another forum in Canada with Samsung last year these are the differences they listed between the 750/650A and you sure as hell can trust the "B" series brings along that 10 bit panel and it's processing level - why do you suppose the panel is King of the Hill for LCD's and banding sure the hell has never been an issue on it as would be on a budget POS 8 bit panel - there is a huge difference between 8/10 and you could not get that PQ with 8 bit no matter how much friggin processing you threw at it. This gets rehashed about every few months because the old threads die away or get lost in their extrreme length and volume of posts.

750 has an integrated woofer
16-bit processor vs. 12-bit in 650 (10-bit panel in both)
750 has DLNA features (can stream audio/video/etc. over a home network)
750 can play video off of DLNA/USB flash drive. 650 limited to images/audio
750 comes with 1GB internal flash memory pre-loaded with HD pictures, games, recipes, and a few other things
750 has a square bezel compared to the 650's rounded bezel
750 has a square stand compared to the 650's oval stand
I'm well aware of the importance of the 10 bit factor:

From SonyStyle:
"A good standard to look for in flat-panel HDTVs (such as LCD) is 10-bit processing and a 10-bit display. It's not uncommon to see 10-bit processors matched with 8-bit displays, but don't be tricked to think that HDTVs with such a setup can match the quality of true 10-bit systems. A 10-bit panel and display creates images with smoother color transitions and more subtle color changes for a picture that is exceedingly natural. The jump from 8 to 10-bit may not sound like much of a difference, but the combination of a 10-bit processor and display can give an HDTV the ability to create and display as much as 64 times the level of color expression versus 8-bit systems." From Content Producer Magazine:

"Ten-bit processing represents a potentially significant improvement, and the numbers tell the story. Those two extra data bits create four more permutations, thereby quadrupling the potential number of grays from 256 to 1024 shades. It's an effective, if brute force, method to improving the image."

Take a look at the difference Ten Bit makes (It quadruples steps of gray = greater details)

Ten Bit


Eight Bit


Though this demo is Mitsubishi the same principles apply:

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has anybody tried connecting a usb hard drive and playing movies on this set, whats the performance? does it work?
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LN55B650 have just hit the us

Gonna give a review like you did the Luxia series? Pretty pls....
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What DLNA software is anyone using ? Samsung PC share manager v2.0 is very slow and clunky.

PMS is an excellent server but PS3 specific. Though it transcodes to TS which the set supports so it should work. It connects, you can browse but files don't play 'unsupported codec'
http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

Anyone tried TVersity ? The forums suggest is not compatible with samsung sets yet.
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As I was googling for more information on the difference between Film mode Auto1 and Auto2 for the A650, I came across this recent review of the European version, the LE40B650. I expect the same information, except the electronic program guide, applies to the North American version. The calibration page of the review contains some nice charts of what can be done.
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