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post #181 of 2343 Old 04-30-2009, 02:16 PM
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Also, are there any threads or guides for optimal settings on the B650's?

If so I'll match it and take some digital pictures.
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Get some light and dark scenes.

One of the other board members are using the same setting as the A650. It seems to work in his opinion. Not many ppl. on the B650 thread- all the chatter is around the Luxia
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Also, are there any threads or guides for optimal settings on the B650's?

If so I'll match it and take some digital pictures.

I started a settings thread here but so far no one else is posting settings. Guess they're too busy watching their awsome new TVs.
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Here are my settings for my LN32B640 (same as B650 minus Internet/2nd USB - Best Buy model designation) after a true calibration. Of course this may not mean much as sets differ, but you can try it. This is calibrated with precise equipment for a light controlled room. It's a real, real nice picture. The blue-only mode was real helpful in setting the color/tint, as using color filters is not very accurate. The decoder has a slight red push, but otherwise looks fine. Gamma of -2 is necessary to have the gray ramp look as it should.

Picture Settings

Mode : Movie
Backlight : 3
Contrast : 88
Brightness : 47
Sharpness : 0
Color : 45
Tint : G48/R52

Advanced Settings

Black Tone : Off
Dynamic Contrast : Off
Gamma : -2
Color Space : Auto
White Balance :

R-Offset : 24
G-Offset : 23
B-Offset : 21
R-Gain : 14
G-Gain : 25
B-Gain : 47

Fleshtone : 0
Edge Enhancement : Off
xvYCC : Off

Picture Options

Color Tone : Warm 3
Size : Screen Fit
Digital NR : Off
HDMI Black Level : Normal
Film Mode : Off
Blue Only Mode : Off
Auto Motion Plus : Off
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Heya,
As I posted in the b750 thread, I've got a UN55B6000 and at this point am ready to return it and get either this b650 or a b750. I went back to the store today just to re-look over the 6000, b650 and b750 and see if I could tell a difference in the level of clouding and corner lighting. The 6000 and 7000 sets they had on display both had some impressive flashlighting going on in the lower corners - just like mine. Mine has some clouding as well, which is mostly only noticeable on dark scenes when the room is dark. I couldn't see that in the store tho. It is noticeable enough on mine to be annoying. Anyway, unfortunately, the same store didn't have a b650 or b750 set up in a place dark enough for me to really see if I noticed a significant difference. From what I've gathered so far, the b650 and b750's don't seem to suffer from these issues to the extent the luxia's can.
I guess my question for you b650 owners is.. what made you chose this set over the b750? I do like the 55" screen and would prefer to keep a 55in screen size. We do play a good amount of xbox 360 and wii as well.. not sure if that makes a difference or not, but figured I'd throw that in the mix.

Thanks for your input!
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got my 46B650 today....loving it so far! couple dead pixels i found with super close inspection and solid colored screens (using that TV blink dvd or whatever its called)

I dont know enough about LCDs to know if I have bleeding issues or clouding or whatever. Looks good to me so far
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@Bogdan:

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

You had me till Warm 3. Seriously? The text is practically RED with that setting!

That and I can't get over how dark Movie mode is, no matter what. I might have to play around with the DContrast settings to fix that. Eventually, I do plan on using DVE to calibrate my screen myself.
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@Bogdan:

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

You had me till Warm 3. Seriously? The text is practically RED with that setting!

That and I can't get over how dark Movie mode is, no matter what. I might have to play around with the DContrast settings to fix that. Eventually, I do plan on using DVE to calibrate my screen myself.

On my set, Warm3 brought it closest to setting a correct 6500K grayscale as measured at different IREs. Warm2 and higher were too blue. A correct gamma was at -2, and this is what makes it darker, but very accurate. Again, this is for a controlled lighting environment - how I watch DVDs. If I want to turn the light on a bit, I just mess with the "backlight", since that doesn't interfere with any settings. One of the few advantages of LCDs. Backlight is like an independent control - how much of the bulb do you want to use?

Shadow detail and color rendition is remarkable to be honest on this set. This was calibrated by a pro with top measuring gear. These are not eyeball numbers and color filters. Makes a big difference - especially the custom grayscale/WB. But two things:

1. Sets DO differ a lot - more than one would imagine.

2. Most people are not used to seeing a reference quality image and then knowing what a calibration will do to bring their display close to that. I say close, because reference is attainable in probably 1 or 2 devices out there - DLP front projectors both of them.
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On my set, Warm3 brought it closest to setting a correct 6500K grayscale as measured at different IREs. Warm2 and higher were too blue. A correct gamma was at -2, and this is what makes it darker, but very accurate. Again, this is for a controlled lighting environment - how I watch DVDs. If I want to turn the light on a bit, I just mess with the "backlight", since that doesn't interfere with any settings. One of the few advantages of LCDs. Backlight is like an independent control - how much of the bulb do you want to use?

Shadow detail and color rendition is remarkable to be honest on this set. This was calibrated by a pro with top measuring gear. These are not eyeball numbers and color filters. Makes a big difference - especially the custom grayscale/WB. But two things:

1. Sets DO differ a lot - more than one would imagine.

2. Most people are not used to seeing a reference quality image and then knowing what a calibration will do to bring their display close to that. I say close, because reference is attainable in probably 1 or 2 devices out there - DLP front projectors both of them.

I know this. I figured until I ordered DVE myself though, your settings might be better than the default. Also, it's not the gamma that completely throws me off. Like I said, it's the Dynamic Contrast in Movie mode.

But you should see my set with Warm 3 on. It's orange.
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Hey.. any of you guys experiencing any color banding or motion blur/judder? It see it on my 46'' B650 with AMP on or off. Maybe its just me, but it doesn't seem to be handling fast motion and camera pans as good as the A650 did. Black levels of the B just smoke the A that I had though.
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I know this. I figured until I ordered DVE myself though, your settings might be better than the default. Also, it's not the gamma that completely throws me off. Like I said, it's the Dynamic Contrast in Movie mode.

But you should see my set with Warm 3 on. It's orange.

Why do you have Dynamic Contrast on? Turn that off!
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Hey.. any of you guys experiencing any color banding or motion blur/judder? It see it on my 46'' B650 with AMP on or off. Maybe its just me, but it doesn't seem to be handling fast motion and camera pans as good as the A650 did. Black levels of the B just smoke the A that I had though.

What are the sources? Sports cable? DVD? Blu-ray?
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What are the sources? Sports cable? DVD? Blu-ray?

It's more noticeable when watching HD stuff through Dish Network. The box is hooked up with HDMI. It doesn't really matter what the channel or content is, I'm seeing it everywhere.....end credits seem to skip or stutter when scrolling across a black background, stationary things like trees and light poles seem to tear when the camera pans accross them. Never noticed this stuff with the A650. Blu ray looks a little better, but you can still see some blurring and tearing. I've got the sharpness set down to 0 and all the image processing stuff set to off.
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I'm starting to mess with the settings tonight and I've been looking at it for the past 15 minutes or so...as Im typing this. In the top left is see the 1920 x whatever res but no matter what I seem to do is says 60 hz. How do you chg to 120 hz. I want to see the difference while watching the basketball games.
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I'm starting to mess with the settings tonight and I've been looking at it for the past 15 minutes or so...as Im typing this. In the top left is see the 1920 x whatever res but no matter what I seem to do is says 60 hz. How do you chg to 120 hz. I want to see the difference while watching the basketball games.

The 60Hz you see is from the input source. The TV is always at 120Hz. There's no way to turn it on or off.
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I don't have this set but looking at the user manual (pg 19) it seems you can turn off 120hz.
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Auto Motion Plus 120Hz → Off / Clear / Standard / Smooth / Custom / Demo
Removes drag from fast scenes with a lot of movement to provide a clearer picture.
If you enable Auto Motion Plus 120Hz, noise may appear on the screen. If this occurs, set Auto Motion Plus 120Hz to Off.
Off: Switches Auto Motion Plus 120Hz off.
Clear: Sets Auto Motion Plus 120Hz to minimum.
Standard: Sets Auto Motion Plus 120Hz to medium.
Smooth: Sets Auto Motion Plus 120Hz to maximum.
Custom: Adjusts the blur and judder reduction level to suit your preference.
Blur Reduction: Adjusts the blur reduction level from video sources.
Judder Reduction: Adjusts the judder reduction level from video sources when playing films.
Reset: Reset the custom settings.
Demo: Displays the difference between Auto Motion Plus 120Hz on and off modes.

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I don't have this set but looking at the user manual (pg 19) it seems you can turn off 120hz.

You can turn off Auto Motion Plus, which uses 120Hz, but you cannot change the set from refreshing the LCD at the higher rate. 120 Hz is also used for 24fps blu-ray and for Film mode, where it does reverse 3:2 pulldown to obtain the original 24fps content from 1080i/60 sources.
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I had my heart set on a B530 available locally, but I just can't live with the matte screen, the colors don't pop out at me like with the A650 I saw in-store.

Do the new B650s still have the glass layer over the screen (glossiness)? If so, I will spend the extra money for it. My room is almost completely dark, and glare is not an issue at all : )

Thanks all.
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The screen on my 40 B650 is fairly glossy, not as glossy as the screen on my Samsung plasma though.
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Seems very glossy to me. I am loving this set. I bought Planet Earth on Blu-ray and I am blown away how great everything looks on the B650.

This is only my 2nd HD set, but I am sure glad I got this one.
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Thanks for the replies. So the screen has a glass coating over it?
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I have a 32B650 from singapore for around 2 weeks time, it's just an amazing set, but the amp 120hz still exist some bug and cause lag whenever scene changes, looking forward to the future firmware that solve this issue...
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The TV looks great. Still working on the settings also. Both TV and Blue-Ray I am seeing motion blur so working on finding the best settings.
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The TV looks great. Still working on the settings also. Both TV and Blue-Ray I am seeing motion blur so working on finding the best settings.

For Colour/Contrast/Brightness it can be helpfull to try this, it opened my eyes for the right settings:

Burosch-Display-Tuning

Its a .iso file. If you have Mac OS: Inside this is a VIDEO_TS folder this you should burn on Video-DVD. Or if you have Windows you should download an iso-burn-software (no idea what) or simply use NERO Burning.
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I know that It's been reported that this model is supposed to have a 10 bit panel.....but with the blur/tearing and color banding, I'm begining to wonder if it's really an 8 bit.
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Saturday I bought a 37" B650 at BB for $1150. It's in my den, in the frontroom I use a 46" 850.

My cable box in the den is on the fritz so I haven't watched HD on it yet but the set makes DVDs look very, very good. I haven't played much with the settings and as with my 850 it doesn't appear I'll need to. And I was putzing around setting my TVs with the old VE laserdisc before some of you jaspers were born.

The screen is very uniform with no flashlights; not 100% uniform but you have to stare and strain at a black screen to notice nonuniformities. That's good enough.
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I'd really like to know if this is a 10-Bit panel as well...going to do some research..mine is the ln40b650...WOW...however, 120hz is hard to get used to. Soap Opera effect I'm having a hard time with...I think because the picture is so PERFECT that you see everything. If it's a fake set in the background, you know it is when watching material on this set! IMO of course. Only ever felt inclined to post only once before, this TV's got me excited. Also open to the possibility of getting the LED, if the PQ is worth $300? Honestly though, I couldn't imagine this TV leaving my stand...plus my wife loves it! +1...I thought I'd have a prob. with the J-Leno "chin" as well, but alot nicer than I expected....TBC....

GO BLUE!
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There are a WIDE assortment of options in the AMP settings. I can get this set to look like a regular display or I can get full on soap opera look. Besides the presets you have the option to adjust both options your self. I found a sweet spot for me that has a bit of depth but does not look too fake.

Play with it, you can't hurt anything.
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Very true zach.....Just used one of the links found on this thread for different adjustments..Going to play around.

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What Firmware is everyone running? 2009/02/22_001003 is what my TV came with. I just saw that they have a firmware 1004? Anyone installed to get better results with the AMP 120hz Jitters?
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