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Skeltor's Avatar Skeltor
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Hi,does anyone of you know how good/bad at input lag is SHARP AQUOS LC40LE630E. I´m thinking about buying this TV,but the main priority will be gaming and i don´t wanna risk it.My friend have this TV and he´s saying that it´s awesome for gaming and that he can´t see any lag and he can normally play Modern Warfare 3 and have the best score in the game.So,does anyone know how many ms of input lag this TV have?Thaks to everyone for replies and have a nice day.
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Are there actually ANY '3D' LCD's or LED's out there in the 55" Range that can produce 16-20ms of input lag? Hell, do they even 'make' 60hz 3D 55" sets? Ah, who am i kidding...XP
Here's hoping for the 2012 models...
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Do the 2012 Panasonic LCD's pass 4:4:4 subsampling?
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Need some advice.

Currently have LG 47LH3000 which is really nice because of low input lag. As gaming is my primary concern I seek for some advice about buying second TV
I was almost decided to buy Samsung PS51D550 plasma but some comment about possible retention when using as PC monitor held my decision.
Is there any LCD currently on the market with decent input lag? I need minium 51" screen.
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Hi

Have someone tested the Panasonic TC-L32E5?

I wanted to buy the TC-L32E3 but now it's out of stock and the TC-L37E3 it's very expensive.

According to some post, the TC-L32E3 had very low lag on games. The E3 and the E5 have similar specs, because of this I want to know how it's the E5 with games, that's the principal use that I'm going to give it.

Thanks
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Hi

Have someone tested the Panasonic TC-L32E5?

I wanted to buy the TC-L32E3 but now it's out of stock and the TC-L37E3 it's very expensive.

According to some post, the TC-L32E3 had very low lag on games. The E3 and the E5 have similar specs, because of this I want to know how it's the E5 with games, that's the principal use that I'm going to give it.

Thanks

It is 34 ms unfortunately:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/panaso...nalysis_Page-3
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Has anyone tested games like COD or any fighting games on Sammys new ES6000/7000 models?
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It is 34 ms unfortunately:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/panaso...nalysis_Page-3

34ms is pretty low, I doubt you would notice it.
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34ms is pretty low, I doubt you would notice it.

If its not noticeable I will get it.

By the way, someone know if there's another tv right now that it's better than this Panasonic on the input lag?
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34ms is about two frames in Call of Duty or Street Fighter. What games do you play? Chances are you won't notice it.

I saw on FlatPanelsHD that Panasonic's new ET5 LED TV has lag of 25ms-30ms, and I haven't seen better out of any LED. I'm waiting for WT50 or DT50 reviews but chances are it will be slightly worse.

I was originally going to get a plasma (16ms), but I don't think I can deal with the possibility of burn-in or IR.
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Guys, are you talking about the ET5 with the passive 3d or the ET5's without the passive 3D system.........I need this set as a computer monitor...
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I don't think the active 3D ET5 is coming out here in the US? I can't find any reference to it on Panasonic's US site, but it's there on the UK one.
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If its not noticeable I will get it.

By the way, someone know if there's another tv right now that it's better than this Panasonic on the input lag?

I've red many reviews handling input lag. The reviewer thinks that even the difference between 16 en 30 ms is quite noticeable, it seems to affect how much a gamer is immersed in the game.
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Just so I am clear, are people suggesting that THIS SET is the one to get these days if you want a larger format computer monitor? Does it pass 4:4:4?

Panasonic TC-L42E5

(this is obviously the 42" model)
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Just so I am clear, are people suggesting that THIS SET is the one to get these days if you want a larger format computer monitor? Does it pass 4:4:4?

Panasonic TC-L42E5

(this is obviously the 42" model)

I would definitely not recommend it. There is a reason why there is a sub 1 frame (1 frame=16.7 ms) input lag database you know:

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php...tabase.145141/
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I've red many reviews handling input lag. The reviewer thinks that even the difference between 16 en 30 ms is quite noticeable, it seems to affect how much a gamer is immersed in the game.

My honest opinion is that it won't, for the vast majority of people.

1. If I know anything about the average person, they are playing tons of games with input lag far higher than 30 ms. Turning on the soap-opera effect and everything.

2. I've racked up around 30,000 achievement points (and like, some level of PS Trophies) over the past five years with a pretty laggy TV set (40+ms even in game mode). This includes Call of Duty. This includes Battlefield. This even includes Street Fighter - which yea, is affected by the lag. But even with that, I still have had lots of fun.

I want a better TV for this purpose but even with that, I've enjoyed tons of games with the TV. So a TV with even 2 frames of lag would offer tons of fun.
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34ms is about two frames in Call of Duty or Street Fighter. What games do you play? Chances are you won't notice it.

I saw on FlatPanelsHD that Panasonic's new ET5 LED TV has lag of 25ms-30ms, and I haven't seen better out of any LED. I'm waiting for WT50 or DT50 reviews but chances are it will be slightly worse.

I was originally going to get a plasma (16ms), but I don't think I can deal with the possibility of burn-in or IR.

I play all types of games Killzone, Call of duty, God of War, Uncharted, etc.

This is going to be my first HDTV, I wanted a tv with low input lag and this is the best that I have seen concerning the price/quality.

I also was thinking on a plasma (but I've heard that they do not last long. Is this true??) because they are suppose to be excellent with the input lag.
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Plasmas have the best input lag measurements (16ms, or 1 frame) but have their own sets of problems (not really lifespan - that issue has been solved). Potential for IR/burn-in, high power consumption, buzzing, etc.

Basically just pick your poison. No TV is perfect. My opinion is that <=32ms is fine for about 99.5% of people. The other .5% are basically hardcore Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter fans who play a game that relies on 1 frame links. There is no FPS game that has come out this generation which has the same reliance on frames. The only action game I can think of even remotely comparable is Lost Planet 2 and that game was terrible.
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So what is the average lag for a DLP set - I have NEVER been able to find it. I have a 2008 Mits 73" DLP and am thinking about moving to a SHARP 70" Elite panel....
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DLP's I believe were almost universally low.......I never had an issue with any of my DLP projectors.
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For gaming (FPS over the internet etc) when you lag times are ranging, based on server from 10ms average to 75-80ms on a good night getting a good server matters more.
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If i was going to spend 700+ dollars, i wouldn't accept more then 16 ms lag.
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So I just bought a Sony Bravia EX640 1080p LED TV and the input lag is terrible. I was just wondering if anybody else had heard of these problems with this TV and if they could reccomend a TV that wouldnt have lag. Three of my friends reccomended Samsung.
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The Samsung D5000 series have an input lag of 16 ms.
The panel is only 50hz, but it does seem to have a very good 100hz CMR.
There are some reports about the US version of the D5000 not having any 1:1 pixel mapping. So far it seems this does not seem to be the case for the latest european panels.
It does have 4:4:4 though.
The black levels are excellent (0.03 cd/m2) though.

There are some reports that the D5000 tends to suffer from motion smearing.
That is why you could also wait until someone does a decent input lag test for the succesor of the D5000 which recently became available, which is the EH5000.
The EH5000 again is a 50hz panel, but it could be the motion smearing has been solved.
Also the panel is direct-lit, which means there is a good change it will not or barely suffer from any clouding or flashlighting.

Other Samsung led tv's generally tend to have pretty bad input lag compared to other brands.
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DLP's I believe were almost universally low.......I never had an issue with any of my DLP projectors.

Not true at all from the tests I have seen.....some were really bad and others in the almost acceptable category.
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The Samsung D5000 series

It does have 4:4:4 though.

I was under the impression this set has consistently failed 4:4:4 tests and will only "seemingly" pass them if you bring about "black crush". To be fair, it comes very close to passing the 4:4:4 test patterns but, the images I have seen still fail.
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Not true at all from the tests I have seen.....some were really bad and others in the almost acceptable category.

Actually the early gens of DLPs were quite low in input lag, and was measured in micro vs mili seconds. I'm guessing it was only after they made more elaborate color wheels for them and the processing it likely needed that they rose in lag.
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How about 2012 Mits DLP? Any measurements on those?
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Originally Posted by DarkSnakeX7 View Post

I play all types of games Killzone, Call of duty, God of War, Uncharted, etc.

This is going to be my first HDTV, I wanted a tv with low input lag and this is the best that I have seen concerning the price/quality.

I also was thinking on a plasma (but I've heard that they do not last long. Is this true??) because they are suppose to be excellent with the input lag.

I heard that SHARP AQUOS LC40LE630E have really nice input lag,so maybe try this one.

I´m going to buy new TV too,but I´m still deciding between Panasonic TC-L32E30 and that Sharp because these are the LED TV´s with the best input lag. I was thinking of Plasma too,but I don´t think that I wanna risk Burn-in.
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Not true at all from the tests I have seen.....some were really bad and others in the almost acceptable category.

Where have you seen the DLP lag on different DLP's??? I am trying to find that info ..... not in this thread.

If you have a source that would be great. Since I find the lag on my 73" Mits 2008 3D model not noticible (or i am used to it) I am hoping the Sharp 70" eleite is abotu the same (saw 34ms in game mode for that)
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