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post #4231 of 4289 Old 08-01-2014, 06:19 PM
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I'm gaming on a Sony S990a, and I like it. It has an excellent input lag of around 18ms, and very good pic quality.

Of course there's some of caveats: it's a curved screen, which is a turn-off for a lot of people, even though the curve is pretty subtle in-person. Off-angle viewing isn't the best. The biggest issue is the backlighting is fairly uneven, mostly noticeable in a dark room during credits or black screens with title cards or logos, e.g. the Playstation logo when turning the PS4 on.

But IMO after tweaking it can achieve a good picture, even with backlight down low - nice colors and good black levels. And game mode is pretty much lag-free. Unfortunately, this model is rare unicorn when it comes to finding it in a store, so it's hard to see one for yourself to decide if any of the issues bother you or not.
I hadn't come across that set yet. Assuming the curve is similar to the Samsung H8000, I like it. Viewing angle isn't an issue as I'm the only person using. The 18ms is in Game mode correct? I'll check out the offical S990 thread so I don't go too far off topic here. Thanks for the recommendation!
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I hadn't come across that set yet. Assuming the curve is similar to the Samsung H8000, I like it. Viewing angle isn't an issue as I'm the only person using. The 18ms is in Game mode correct? I'll check out the offical S990 thread so I don't go too far off topic here. Thanks for the recommendation!
Ya most of last years and this years sony non 4k tv are realy low lag input.
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Hi, have a few years old 42" Phillips and looking to upgrade in size for my new Xbox One. Also on a budget and not a videophile, and I get an employee discount at target. Long story short the only TV's in my crosshairs then are vizio, they are cheap, available at target, and seem to be good quality for me a non-videophile.

The two models I'm looking at at Target are E-550i-B2 which is 679, or the E600i-B3 which is 849. HDTV test has lag for the E-550i, 27 ms in game mode which is good...

I cant find a lag reading on the 600i-B3 anywhere. Can I assume it's similar since it's sort of in the same model line?

I know the displag site guy seems to post here, I'd love to see more lag tests of vizio's and other low price brands. It seems as in many fields the experts only gravitate to the top notch/expensive stuff (Samsung, LG, Sony, Sharp, etc). It seems like that site no longer even tests vizios.

Also, I read some posts by waveyboy that game mode on vizio's darkens the picture. Is this a big problem? Does it apply to all brands? He mentioned a workaround too, what was that?

any other inexpensive 55"+ lCd's known to have low lag?

Thx for any help.
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Leo Bodnar input lag tester XBR-55HX950 Results. Same as the XBR-46HX929.

Game/Graphics mode
LED Dynamic Control
Off 43.5 ms
Low 44.0 ms
Standard 44.6 ms
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Leo Bodnar input lag tester XBR-55HX950 Results. Same as the XBR-46HX929.

Game/Graphics mode
LED Dynamic Control
Off 43.5 ms
Low 44.0 ms
Standard 44.6 ms
Great info, did you do the x900b at all?
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Great info, did you do the x900b at all?
Taken from HDTV Test UK.
Sony KD-55X9005B
Leo Bodnar input lag tester 41ms in [Game] mode; 128ms otherwise

Sony XBR-65X950B
Input lag (Leo Bodnar tester) 43.9ms in [Game] mode
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Taken from HDTV Test UK.
Sony KD-55X9005B
Leo Bodnar input lag tester 41ms in [Game] mode; 128ms otherwise

Sony XBR-65X950B
Input lag (Leo Bodnar tester) 43.9ms in [Game] mode
Thx alot mugen!!!! I cant hit like on my phone
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Hi - does input lag typically remain constant for a specific model despite changes in size? For example the samsung H7150 55" vs 65" would they both have an input lag of 40ms?

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Hi - does input lag typically remain constant for a specific model despite changes in size? For example the samsung H7150 55" vs 65" would they both have an input lag of 40ms?
Sometimes yes, sometime no.

For example, the Sammy F7500 60" model has input lag of 43ms in PC mode, but the 55" version of the same model has 51ms in PC mode.
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Sony KDL-55W700B (Best Buy model) input lag results

I just tested the 55" 700B with my Leo Bodnar input lag tester (1080P signal) today. This set is the KDL-55W800B sans 3D. The Sony rep in my local Best Buy confirmed that Sony is testing the TV in BB stores to see how sales compare to those with 3D It had very similar results to the 800B model.

Here are the results:

Top bar: 20.1 ms
Middle bar: 23.3 ms
Bottom bar: 26.2

Average: 23.2 ms

I did not end up purchasing it as the results are still slightly high for my tastes. I wish more of the 2014 sets had 16-17 ms of input lag like last years 802A and 900A. The only Sony model that comes close this year is the W950B (17 ms) but it has had poor reviews due to bad black levels and inaccurate colors.
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I did not end up purchasing it as the results are still slightly high for my tastes. I wish more of the 2014 sets had 16-17 ms of input lag like last years 802A and 900A. The only Sony model that comes close this year is the W950B (17 ms) but it has had poor reviews due to bad black levels and inaccurate colors.
Anything above 16ms is still 2 frames in a 60fps game, so 16 or 22ms is the same for all practical purposes. Around 20ms is still competing with the best gaming monitors if you measure the absolute input lag. See http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...r,3897-10.html and the absolute input lag measurement.
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Anyone know the input lag on Sony 60” (diag) W630B LED HDTV?
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Anyone out there that can test the LG 42LB5600. I see the results for most the 2014 LG LED line are pretty subpar but there is an incredible deal going a the moment for this model.
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850b was my first choice but around where I live it went from $1450 (would pay) to $1600. I can't see 3D so I just couldn't justify the price. The 800b kind of suffers from the same thing. It's around the same price as the KDL60W630B , but once again, it has 3D and I have no use for it. Would rather get an extra 5" since it' basically the same price. Thanks for your input though. Still might look into the 800b. Do you think it's a huge gamble going for the 630B 60"? It seems like most if not all larger Sony TV's from the 2014 line have solid input lag.
If you're in the US, Best Buy recently started carrying the W700B, which I've read is essentially the same as the W800B with no 3D and a silver bezel and for $100 less. This is a Best Buy exclusive model at this moment.
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One advantage I have found with my 4k Sieki, is making custom resolutions. So I use all that bandwidth to make a resolution like 2560X1440p @72hz or 1920X1080p @120 hz. So in my case I have a 39in true 120hz gaming monitor or 2K@72hz. This makes for an exceptional gaming screen with very little lag, it is ultra smooth. As far as I know there are no gaming monitors this size that do true 120hz. And of course you can go even bigger.
Very interesting! I saw the 39" Seiki could be hacked with the 50" firmware. I also saw some Leo Bodnar lag settings for the Seiki and it was pegged around 58ms, but I believe that was at 2160p. Any idea what the 1920x1080p at 120hz input lag is rated as?
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[QUOTE=CFX;27080354]Very interesting! I saw the 39" Seiki could be hacked with the 50" firmware. I also saw some Leo Bodnar lag settings for the Seiki and it was pegged around 58ms, but I believe that was at 2160p. Any idea what the 1920x1080p at 120hz input lag is rated as?[/QUOTe

Not sure , but at 120hz there is no lag at all, I have a few 24in 120hz gaming monitors and it feels the same. 58ms is defiantly while in 4K, there is a huge difference in lag at 30hz and 120hz. I am running the firmware of the 50in set. It is awesome for gaming, I also have a calibration meter, calibrating the Seiki makes a big difference is quality.

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Very interesting! I saw the 39" Seiki could be hacked with the 50" firmware. I also saw some Leo Bodnar lag settings for the Seiki and it was pegged around 58ms, but I believe that was at 2160p. Any idea what the 1920x1080p at 120hz input lag is rated as?[/QUOTe

Not sure , but at 120hz there is no lag at all, I have a few 24in 120hz gaming monitors and it feels the same. 58ms is defiantly while in 4K, there is a huge difference in lag at 30hz and 120hz. I am running the firmware of the 50in set. It is awesome for gaming, I also have a calibration meter, calibrating the Seiki makes a big difference is quality.
Glad to hear it. I was originally considering the Seiki but due to the high lag I saw at 2160p I immediately scratched it off my list. I would mainly be using it for gaming , so I'd love to see what the Leo Bodnar measurements would be at 1080p@120hz, especially since I'm considering dropping way more for a non-4k display.
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Glad to hear it. I was originally considering the Seiki but due to the high lag I saw at 2160p I immediately scratched it off my list. I would mainly be using it for gaming , so I'd love to see what the Leo Bodnar measurements would be at 1080p@120hz, especially since I'm considering dropping way more for a non-4k display.

This is the software I use to get the custom resolution, the Seiki makes a great monitor for a PC,I use it everyday as my main monitor and love it. However as a TV it is not the greatest, if you are gaming with a console I might look elsewhere, the custom resolution is only obtained through a PC.



http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Th...on-Utility-CRU

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If you're in the US, Best Buy recently started carrying the W700B, which I've read is essentially the same as the W800B with no 3D and a silver bezel and for $100 less. This is a Best Buy exclusive model at this moment.
Thanks, already purchased the 850b with no regrets though.
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This is the software I use to get the custom resolution, the Seiki makes a great monitor for a PC,I use it everyday as my main monitor and love it. However as a TV it is not the greatest, if you are gaming with a console I might look elsewhere, the custom resolution is only obtained through a PC.



http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Th...on-Utility-CRU
Thanks for the information. I have moved from PC gaming to console gaming, so that nugget of information was useful. I was hoping to get 1080p@120hz refresh rate with my consoles, but if it's only PC supported that's a bummer.

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Thanks, already purchased the 850b with no regrets though.
Awesome, congrats!
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Taken from HDTV Test UK.
Sony KD-55X9005B
Leo Bodnar input lag tester 41ms in [Game] mode; 128ms otherwise

Sony XBR-65X950B
Input lag (Leo Bodnar tester) 43.9ms in [Game] mode
I have always been lousy at FPS . Been gaming on a Mitsubishi 2006 WD65831 Diamond rear DLP for seven years. I play all kinds of game from LBP2 to FPS , Diablo reaper of souls , RPG . I bought a 2013 New in Box 65w850A 1080P set 3 weeks ago. Only played Diablo and LBP2 and noticed games response time was better. Need to send 2013 65W850A back it has some banding issues. 2014 65" or larger 1080P sets all got fair reviews . I am leaning to Sony 4K 65X900b 4,000 or the 65X950B 7,000 WOW. Any AVS member game on HDTV with 40-50 ms and is it fair enough for a good experience . Need advise . Thanks Rob
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I have always been lousy at FPS . Been gaming on a Mitsubishi 2006 WD65831 Diamond rear DLP for seven years. I play all kinds of game from LBP2 to FPS , Diablo reaper of souls , RPG . I bought a 2013 New in Box 65w850A 1080P set 3 weeks ago. Only played Diablo and LBP2 and noticed games response time was better. Need to send 2013 65W850A back it has some banding issues. 2014 65" or larger 1080P sets all got fair reviews . I am leaning to Sony 4K 65X900b 4,000 or the 65X950B 7,000 WOW. Any AVS member game on HDTV with 40-50 ms and is it fair enough for a good experience . Need advise . Thanks Rob
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My guess (without looking) is that Mits was probably at least in the 80ms range. That will impact your K/D ratio. Getting that number down to the 20s is probably the direction you want to look. Displaylag . com will give you a quick and dirty idea of what a number of TVs run at. They also have good articles about lag, etc. I genereally use a PC monitor or Panny Plasma, so I am in the less than 20ish ms input lag. My brother who was an Halo competitive player, upon gaming on a 40ms knew something was off. He went back to a PC monitor. Granted that is annecdotal, but it is similar to a lot of stories.

There are a few over the horizon that possible could be great with lag. The AX900 if you are interested in 4K. The AX800 was 37ish ms. I am hoping that it can cut that a little with the upgrades, but that is just a hope right now. No real numbers to back that up.

The reference Vizio 4K sets mention game mode as well, with the ability to run at 120fps (havn't read much about the R series, since it is not out yet, so I am a little fuzzy on that). How the 120fps (if I am accurate on this) matters for console gaming is beyond me. However, i am not even sure if this means the vizio runs at 120hz, or if it is one of those tricks, and not running at true 120hz. Outside my wheelhouse on this topic:P

The L9400U Toshiba 4K set has been mentioned that the Japanese version of the "similar" set was at 10ms. that seems almost too good to be true, but that would be great if the US version of that set was 10ms. However, the US version appears to be a stripped down version of it. 3D removed and perhaps other stuff. Hope the hardware removed doesn't impact input lag....but no reviews are out as of this posting that I am aware.

If you are not interested in jumping into 4k, the Sony w850b might be the best bang for your gaming buck. I tried the sony 990a and the flashlighting was so bad (generally play in a darker room) I returned it. I am a little gun shy on pulling the trigger on the w850b, but from what I read it is not as pronounced a problem as it was on some 990a screens. But there is also the panel lottery on that, where many people didn't have the flashlighting i was seeing.

I have not pulled the trigger on a few tvs i wanted when they were above 30ms, but I don't like the loose feel of games when played on displays with higher ms. Each person is different on when they pick up on that lag though is my guess.

Good luck,


PS: Just saw you were looking for 3D as well. Neither the Vizio or the Toshiba will have 3D as I understand it. That leaves the panny Ax900 and the Sony for 3D. Both are going to be active I believe. Also OLED is an option, but you have IR or burn in as a possibility. I am going LCD this time around since I had a Panny and was always worried anytime I gamed for hours at a time. Never had burn in but it was always in the back of my mind. Don't want that worry again, even if it is maybe overblown on my part. I went OCD about running slides daily anytime there was static content on the screen :P I am going to follow the IR discussions as they develop around the OLED because the image is something to behold, and maybe one day I will go that route...who knows :P

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I don't follow this thread nor do I game. However, you might find this interesting. I just received a new Vizio 55" P series 4K today. I use a Bodnar for lag measurements. HDMI inputs 1-4 yielded around 40-50 ms lag. HDMI 5, the 4K 60hz input, was 0.4ms.

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Very interesting! I saw the 39" Seiki could be hacked with the 50" firmware. I also saw some Leo Bodnar lag settings for the Seiki and it was pegged around 58ms, but I believe that was at 2160p. Any idea what the 1920x1080p at 120hz input lag is rated as?
From my own testing and extreme sensitivty to input lag I have found the seiki has one frame of input lag which @ 1080p@120hz this appears to be ~10ms and around 5ms when at 1280x720@240hz.
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I don't follow this thread nor do I game. However, you might find this interesting. I just received a new Vizio 55" P series 4K today. I use a Bodnar for lag measurements. HDMI inputs 1-4 yielded around 40-50 ms lag. HDMI 5, the 4K 60hz input, was 0.4ms.
Of course you know 0.4 ms vs. the best in the industry of 10ish makes that result suspect. Are you on the p series official forum we have been talking about that? If not could you join.
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I searched and didn't see the Sony x850b 4k? Any lag tests yet? thanks
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[QUOTE=traumadisaster;27572466]Of course you know 0.4 ms vs. the best in the industry of 10ish makes that result suspect. Are you on the p series official forum we have been talking about that? If not could you join.[/QUOTE.

Getting two sets of numbers from HDMI 5. It's probably the processing messing with the meter. The more realistic numbers seem to be, top 14, center 17, bottom 21msec. See this post for further infor and videos: ***Official 2014 Vizio P Series Owner's Thread

Yes, I'm on the owners thread and am in the process of doing a complete P series exam on page 1.

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Here are some tests of a seiki SE39UY04:

Sorry for the ****** camera but you can still get rough values. Tomorrow I will re-do this borrowing my dad's nice nikon camera so I can get better shots:


Seiki @ 60 Hz with CRT @ 60 Hz:

I read 39.318 and 39.283. Difference = 35ms


Seiki and CRT @ 120Hz

I read 33.535 - 33.526 difference = 9ms (I have actually been quoting @ 1080p 120hz lag is 9ms...



Seiki and CRT @ 180Hz:

I read as 57.963 and 57.955 Difference 8ms:

On both these are hard to make out. I am going by which parts of the numbers are more outlined as they do kind of blur together. I do see that the LCD transitioned to from .8 to .9 here but there is still after glow of being .8 but I am just testing input lag here and not response time.


CRT at max (180Hz) Seiki @ 240Hz:

CRT is decently clear here....
I read it has 40.188 and 40.185 but again its hard and subjective. Difference 3ms



CRT at max (180Hz) Seiki @ 720 Hz:

I read as 48.032 and 48.029. Difference: 3ms


Even with the hard to make out letters I think one thing is clear is that input lag is going down as refresh rate goes up.

Hopefully better results when I test with a better camera


I will also do a comparosin between at 4k and the CRT as well tomorrow.

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Input lag is not going down with a higher refresh. The higher the refresh, the higher speed camera you will need. To prove this, test them both at 25hz. You will get a closer number to the true input lag that the LB input lag tester reports for that Seiki. Also, just because a monitor can accept a higher refresh, does not mean it can display it. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Seiki is frame skipping, which again is contributing to a meaningless test. Forgot to mention, for further proof that your testing is completely discredited, the response time alone will be over 10ms compared to that CRT monitor. You have a lot of research to do.

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