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post #4381 of 4400 Old 03-22-2016, 04:36 PM
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what i mean is for the tv in question "KDL-40Z4500"
Your TV is made on or before 2008, before the Leo Bodnar tool existed. Reviewers can't revisit TVs from years ago that they no longer possess. If you want an input lag measurement on an 8+ year old TV you will need to measure it yourself.
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Your TV is made on or before 2008, before the Leo Bodnar tool existed. Reviewers can't revisit TVs from years ago that they no longer possess. If you want an input lag measurement on an 8+ year old TV you will need to measure it yourself.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag

see last post ( guy who runs displaylag)

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic...3846&start=120

http://www.videogameperfection.com/2...tester-review/

they all seem pretty divided on it yea not everyone nos how to use that device i would say or how it reads VS other displays , seems a bit more research / posting is needed ,

one take away from this is if its infact 30 or so good means i can grab the tv i want with out worrying about a thing !

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My 65KS9500 has 22ms with Game Mode on.
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So, for a long time i have been waiting for a tv that could play games with some interpolation system turned on, and to be specific, i wanted it to be sony or samsung becouse they handle motion better than others. Samsung gets awaul numbers when its not game or pc mode - so, sony is the chocie. Now from the latest review on rtings, the new entry 4k model xd850 is nothing great + its an ips panel (bummer), so im looking towards the 755c, because it has some good lag numbers.. BUT. I dont quite get the methodology. Every review i read tells me 'hey this tv is good for games, only 30ms in game mode'. How is it good for games when it blurs like hell in that mode? Fot this tv model some of the reviews give numbers around 50-55ms with 'cinema pro' mode enabled. But.. in this mode in default it also blurs? It doesnt have motion flow enabled to standard mode when the motion gets fluid. So bootom line is - can someone tell me how much input lag 55w755c has in mode with motion flow set to standard? I did some of my own quick test in store, but its the sutter method with laptop as second screen. I get some wierd results from 50 to 70ms. Adding notebooks latence around 10-15ms it gets way higher than the review results? And from what i know, reviewers use bodnar device, which outputs from 1/3 to even 1/2 higher numbers, so when the review says they get 50ms on bodnar, i should get around 35 on shutter method. I get 70 at best. :P Anyone could help me with this one?
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^If you turn on Impulse mode, Sony TVs (as well as others) strobe the backlight (a period of black frames between frames), which basically completely eliminate motion blur. So good, it competes with CRT, and does even better than the best plasmas (which only did their best at motion blur when you used their laggiest picture modes).

Impulse mode on the Sony TVs is a godsend for gamers. Problem is that some people will hate the slight flicker, and also, you have to raise the backlight to compensate for the reduced brightness.
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Came to this thread and one of the Tv's I'm debating is the JU7100....

This lag thing is a big thing for me as I'm a pretty big gamer on PS4 and shooting/sports games are what's played most.

I currently have a 50 inch 1080P Panny Plamsa...I'm not sure what the lag ever was on that but it's been awesome for gaming and never noticed any issues and I never bother with game mode or anything on that TV.

I want a 4K TV that is reasonably priced that will excel at games and be able to handle regular TV and 4K content. While HDR would be nice and all it's not something that really concerns me much.

As it is, I'm looking at the Sony 850C, Samsung JU7100 and possibly the Vizio 2016P series. I'm kinda leaning toward the Sammy JU7100 at the moment as I just like the screen and look of the TV slightly better.

The gaming is a big deal though and I'd hate to get a nice new TV and be regretting it because games are impacted. I do way more gaming than I do movie watching.



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have the JU7500 for now 3 months very good for gaming

also owned the vizio m series wich was 5 ms less at 17 ms
and I did notice in increase in lag with the samsung

however the ju7500 has better colors overall and the vizio had a lot of blur and very bad overall graphics- colors and motion...


this year the best choices are ju7500, js9000 than ju7100

wonder if the K series will be better in the lower end models 6200, 6500 , 6800..i might switch out if so and if they have nano colors and better blacks
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Came to this thread and one of the Tv's I'm debating is the JU7100....

This lag thing is a big thing for me as I'm a pretty big gamer on PS4 and shooting/sports games are what's played most.

I currently have a 50 inch 1080P Panny Plamsa...I'm not sure what the lag ever was on that but it's been awesome for gaming and never noticed any issues and I never bother with game mode or anything on that TV.

I want a 4K TV that is reasonably priced that will excel at games and be able to handle regular TV and 4K content. While HDR would be nice and all it's not something that really concerns me much.

As it is, I'm looking at the Sony 850C, Samsung JU7100 and possibly the Vizio 2016P series. I'm kinda leaning toward the Sammy JU7100 at the moment as I just like the screen and look of the TV slightly better.

The gaming is a big deal though and I'd hate to get a nice new TV and be regretting it because games are impacted. I do way more gaming than I do movie watching.
I dont want to complice things but for me I didm't go for the JU7100 cause anything above 25 ms bothers me. THe Ju7500 is a better option but its maybe 500 more...I would go with the VIzio P series cause so far reviews are saying it has the best contrast and great local dimming, a exceptionnel imput lag. Samsung is also a great picture obviously but if u game that much well it's nice to have fast response ...unless 25 ms dosen't bother u (like most people )
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I was wondering if someone might know what the input lag is on my current tv if tried looking it up but can't really get a clear answer. I am thinking about upgrading my current tv which I've had for about 6-7 years I was interested in the Samsung KS8000 until I read that the input lag was 40ms. I don't really know much about input lag so that's why I wanted to know what the lag was on my current tv so that I would have something to compare it to. I currently own a Panasonic Viera Plasma model number TC-P50VT20 I appreciate the help.
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I was wondering if someone might know what the input lag is on my current tv if tried looking it up but can't really get a clear answer. I am thinking about upgrading my current tv which I've had for about 6-7 years I was interested in the Samsung KS8000 until I read that the input lag was 40ms. I don't really know much about input lag so that's why I wanted to know what the lag was on my current tv so that I would have something to compare it to. I currently own a Panasonic Viera Plasma model number TC-P50VT20 I appreciate the help.
With the flatpanels timer mentioned in post 1 it was in the 40's for the VT20 but that is not directly comparable to the 40ms on the KS8000 as that was measured a different way. The VT20 would probably score 20ms higher using this new method so somewhere in the 60's ...
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Hi guys,

I just bought a Sony KDL-50W828B.

Can someone tell me how I can the lowest possible input lag?

So:
- which input has the lowest input lag?
- do I just choose game mode?
- do I change some settings in the game mode to get a even lower input lag?
- etc.

THANKS!
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Hi guys,

I just bought a Sony KDL-50W828B.

Can someone tell me how I can the lowest possible input lag?

So:
- which input has the lowest input lag?
- do I just choose game mode?
- do I change some settings in the game mode to get a even lower input lag?
- etc.

THANKS!

If you haven't figured it out by now:
- I don't believe inputs affect lag, any HDMI will do for the best quality.
- Both Game Scene and Graphics Scene will have the lowest input lag, so either would be fine.
- Game Scene already has the majority of the picture settings disabled as to not increase lag anymore, so you're fine making any adjustments within Game Scene. I'd recommend turning off any available processing within Game Scene though, even if it's available just to ensure you're getting the fastest response possible.

Hope this helps!
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my old tv was a hisense h7 55" , from 2015.. it had triple digit input delay.. are newer hisense tvs any better?
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Looks like this thread is dead but so is the Le Eco thread so I'll give it a shot...got a Le Eco super X4 55" 4K HDR Tv on clearance from Wal Mart for 349. Not my dream tv but should hold me for now, decent reviews.

Point being about HDR and game mode. The Rtings review says:

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Note that when the TV switches to HDR mode it retains the settings from the previous mode it was in, so when gaming in HDR be sure you are in game mode before playing HDR content as you will not be able to switch into game mode once HDR mode is activated.
Now for some 1080P modes Rtings shows lag of 134 ms outside game mode (!) so it would seem imperative game mode is on (4k HDR game mode lag according to Rtings ~37 ms)

My problem is I'm not sure how to be assured game mode is on in HDR content. So far the only HDR content I've played was a video from a USB thumb drive. The Tv pops up a "HDR" icon at the beginning of playing the video letting you know it's HDR. However if you go to settings while the HDR vid is playing, picture mode is simply titled "HDR" and is locked with no options to change picture mode. Whereas if you are not in HDR, you are given choices of picture modes like Vivid, Game, Sports, etc.

So the Rtings comment makes sense in that way.

However I noticed the settings are different in HDR mode than Game mode, for example game mode default under colors it says color temperature: cool. However in HDR it says color temperature: warm (when game mode was the previous mode). This is just one example. Now, does this conflict with what Rtings said about "retaining settings from the previous mode it was in"? Or do they mean something else?

So long story short I'm just worried if game mode is really on in HDR content and how I could tell. I also wonder if there's any way to test myself. I'm aware of the old timer method, but how can you do that in HDR mode? For that matter I dont understand how websites are testing lag in HDR either? Since as I understand the only way to have HDR mode on is play HDR content, and how does that work with either a timer or the Leo Bodnar device?
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Looks like this thread is dead but so is the Le Eco thread so I'll give it a shot...got a Le Eco super X4 55" 4K HDR Tv on clearance from Wal Mart for 349. Not my dream tv but should hold me for now, decent reviews.

Point being about HDR and game mode. The Rtings review says:



Now for some 1080P modes Rtings shows lag of 134 ms outside game mode (!) so it would seem imperative game mode is on (4k HDR game mode lag according to Rtings ~37 ms)

My problem is I'm not sure how to be assured game mode is on in HDR content. So far the only HDR content I've played was a video from a USB thumb drive. The Tv pops up a "HDR" icon at the beginning of playing the video letting you know it's HDR. However if you go to settings while the HDR vid is playing, picture mode is simply titled "HDR" and is locked with no options to change picture mode. Whereas if you are not in HDR, you are given choices of picture modes like Vivid, Game, Sports, etc.

So the Rtings comment makes sense in that way.

However I noticed the settings are different in HDR mode than Game mode, for example game mode default under colors it says color temperature: cool. However in HDR it says color temperature: warm (when game mode was the previous mode). This is just one example. Now, does this conflict with what Rtings said about "retaining settings from the previous mode it was in"? Or do they mean something else?

So long story short I'm just worried if game mode is really on in HDR content and how I could tell. I also wonder if there's any way to test myself. I'm aware of the old timer method, but how can you do that in HDR mode? For that matter I dont understand how websites are testing lag in HDR either? Since as I understand the only way to have HDR mode on is play HDR content, and how does that work with either a timer or the Leo Bodnar device?
Going by their comments I'm sure that game mode is still activated while on hdr, and it makes sense that some other settings would change as hdr has it's own configurable settings, are you able to change the temperature settings for example?
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Well, I noticed other weird thing, there's a setting called "motion" it's on high in HDR mode, also one called adaptive contrast, it's on in HDR mode, etc.

All these settings seem off in game mode. AFAIK, any processing tends to add lag, so one would think these settings should be off for minimum lag...

Yes, I can change the settings in HDR.

Again the issue is once the set detects HDR it locks in HDR picture mode, so how do I know that low latency game mode is active? Especially given the suspicious things I've noted above?

I wish the whole thing was just more clearly handled. It's bugging me. Are the sub-settings supposed to be the same as game mode when in HDR mode after game mode? Maybe a firmware update changed things (negatively) from what Rtings experienced?
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I wish I could test the lag myself on this tv, with it on game mode first, then going into HDR mode.

This seems like it would be a very easy way to home test input lag:

HOWEVER the problem is the TV only goes into HDR mode when it detects HDR content, how could I get around that?
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I wish I could test the lag myself on this tv, with it on game mode first, then going into HDR mode.

This seems like it would be a very easy way to home test input lag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xz9Ugd78Vc

HOWEVER the problem is the TV only goes into HDR mode when it detects HDR content, how could I get around that?
Dude they literally said that if you have game mode on before activating hdr, then it will remain in game mode latency but the tv shows you hdr (they simply decided not to call it hdr game mode)

No way to accurately test it yourself unless you spend about $150 for the tools.
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Dude they literally said that if you have game mode on before activating hdr, then it will remain in game mode latency but the tv shows you hdr (they simply decided not to call it hdr game mode)
Who?

Can you link this statement?

Do you mean the various reviews? Rtings? Or TCl themselves?

I know what the reviews/Rtings say (put the TV in game mode before playing an HDR game). And I do that. I'm still a little suspicious. How do I know the firmware I'm using isn't different than what they did? Since I've only had the TV days and they tested months ago...

As I mentioned, I have reason to be suspicious. When in game mode beforehand and I play an HDR game, as said the tv switches to HDR mode and you cannot change it. But another suspicious part to me is several settings that as far as I know are likely to cause increased lag are by default ON when using game>HDR. Including "Motion" which is set to "high" (I'm assuming this is like motion interpolation, or some other motion processing effect) and "adaptive contrast" which is set to "on". Even though these same settings are all OFF (as you'd expect) by default in game mode (I'm not sure if you can change them in game mode, never tried). Further, these settings are not locked in HDR mode (after game mode, when playing HDR game), For example, I can manually go in and set the "Motion" setting to high, med, low, or off when playing an HDR game with game mode on before the game started.

So am I to believe none of these setting in HDR (game mode before) mode have an effect on lag? Am I supposed to go set them all off to lower lag? Are they supposed to be not really on when using game mode first, despite that the TV says they are on and allows you to change them? Rtings nor any review talked about any of this. As I said, maybe the firmware I'm using is completely different than what they reviewed?



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No way to accurately test it yourself unless you spend about $150 for the tools.
It would ALMOST be worth it to me, perhaps if I could sell them later to recoup most of that cost or something. This is literally one of the main decision makers in whether I keep this set, which otherwise I'm mostly extremely happy with for the low low price.

I wish somebody on youtube or something would just make an HDR timer video, this would kick the set into HDR when viewing the timer and I could test using a PC and a PC monitor and mirroring the output (using game mode beforehand I guess, assuming it not being an actual game doesn't have an effect). Course granted I'm not sure there's even a way to use youtube HDR other than cast it from a chromecast ultra I dont have. The set itself doesn't seem to, or at least doesn't say it's in HDR mode when watching supposed HDR youtubes. Although some youtubes look so good I could definitely believe they are being displayed in HDR even if the set claims they aren't.


Anyways this could all been easily avoided if Le Eco just named their settings something which clearly indicated when the set was in HDR game mode, such as simply labeling it "HDR game mode" when on, as I'm assuming pretty much every other set on the market does (this is the first HDR set I've owned). Although the thing about being able to change lag inducing sub-settings might still be niggling. Do other sets allow such "laggy" settings to be manipulated in game mode as well?

Other than that I'm going to ask Rtings about it, but their Q/A is currently turned off.

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If only someone would sell a 1440 res flat CRT and the industry would ditch stupid 4K and move to 1440.

I don't care if it weighs 400 lbs.

Zero input lag and zero motion blur.
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Convergence, Flicker and Geometry Issues? Yeah, CRT died for a reason
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