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Sharp LC32LE700UN 32" LED LCD anyone? Only info I've found on input lag for it is one customer review on Amazon says Guitar Hero's calibration tool showed it to be 48ms in Game Mode, which didn't sound too good for a Sharp.

Most say the picture is pretty good on this one, and it can be had for under $600.
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Sharp LC32LE700UN 32" LED LCD anyone? Only info I've found on input lag for it is one customer review on Amazon says Guitar Hero's calibration tool showed it to be 48ms in Game Mode, which didn't sound too good for a Sharp.

Most say the picture is pretty good on this one, and it can be had for under $600.

Is that an reliable method to measure inputlag?
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Sharp LC32LE700UN 32" LED LCD anyone? Only info I've found on input lag for it is one customer review on Amazon says Guitar Hero's calibration tool showed it to be 48ms in Game Mode, which didn't sound too good for a Sharp.

Most say the picture is pretty good on this one, and it can be had for under $600.

I don't think guitar hero has auto calibration using light sensor and microphone like rock band 2 so all that guy did was measure his reflexes.
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A friend of mine has Rock Band 1, and on his Samsung 46" DLP set it was showing an average of around 60ms I think. So does Rock Band 2 have a pretty good lag measuring tool, because he said he was going to get it I think. I could see how using light and sound would be far more precise than physical inputs.
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Did you try turning on game mode with your set.

Yeah I did
Is there any test done on the ex500 32inch?
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A friend of mine has Rock Band 1, and on his Samsung 46" DLP set it was showing an average of around 60ms I think. So does Rock Band 2 have a pretty good lag measuring tool, because he said he was going to get it I think. I could see how using light and sound would be far more precise than physical inputs.

Yeah there is no way you can test time down to the hundredth of a second when it involves human input. The rock band 2 auto-calibration is consistent, but apparently not deadly accurate. Of course it's still much better than a person trying to time button presses.
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Sharp LC32LE700UN 32" LED LCD anyone? Only info I've found on input lag for it is one customer review on Amazon says Guitar Hero's calibration tool showed it to be 48ms in Game Mode, which didn't sound too good for a Sharp.

Most say the picture is pretty good on this one, and it can be had for under $600.

I have no links or proof offhand but i've heard the 700UN series has low input lag like the E77U series, 2 frames max supposedly (32ms or less).

But until i dig up a link, or someone tests it here, then we can't be sure.
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I have no links or proof offhand but i've heard the 700UN series has low input lag like the E77U series, 2 frames max supposedly (32ms or less).

But until i dig up a link, or someone tests it here, then we can't be sure.

i've yet to see anyone get more than 30ms lag on a Sharp in game mode and there are some tests floating around of the 700UN's that showed they were under 30ms so its in my opinion a good choice

If you're a gamer or interested in using an LCD TV as a primary monitor take a look at my thread on Input Lag
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Hi All,


Any info here on the input lag of the LG 32 le5300?
Its the cheapest LG LED TV.
No local dimming, but with 100hz

How is the input lag? Is it good like the old models or better go for normal LCD versions.


Right now I am down to the fllowing TVs:

Panasonic 32 S20 (€ 531)
Philips 32 8404 (€499)
Sharp 32 LE 700(€699)
LG 32 LE 5300(€588)

Samsung 2770HD (€300)
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Can anyone run a test on this? or know if there good for gaming?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+...&skuId=9775416
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Can anyone run a test on this? or know if there good for gaming?

(best buy 5-series URL here)

I have almost the same question, and haven't seen anything except a general 'Samsungs are dissappointing'.

I would rather have the 40C5000 for use a desktop monitor, mostly due to the much smaller footprint but if its too slow I would opt for the Sharp 700UN. Anyone know how many frames delay I would get on the Samsung 5-series LED?
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I am finding the input lag of LG model 47LE5400, part of the LE5400 aka XXLE5400 series, to be consistently at 99ms behind a conventional analog monitor.

Kind of hard to see in this particular picture (I picked a bad one to keep and upload) but in many other shots the LG 47LE5400 is exactly 99ms behind the other monitor. It does not matter what mode you have it in either, game mode seems identical to everything else.

EDIT: Added another screenshot, this one is in game mode. Note the larger monitor is at 31ms while the smaller analog monitor is at 130ms. 99ms difference.
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Has anybody tested the high-end Sony models, HX800 and LX900?
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Has anyone tested the EX500?
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Has anybody tested the high-end Sony models, HX800 and LX900?

I would love to see some results for the higher end Sony models as well.

Input lag test results on the 52A750

"Maybe the input lag on this set matches the lag in your head therefore you don't perceive it".
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The EX500 has been tested extensively ...as its actually one of the best specced tvs pricewise by Sony.

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.p...&p2=8401&ph=19

Has extensive tests on Sonys.And they seem to be really really bad.
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The EX500 has been tested extensively ...as its actually one of the best specced tvs pricewise by Sony.

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.p...&p2=8401&ph=19

Has extensive tests on Sonys.And they seem to be really really bad.

Ughhh.... their charts and kind of confusing but from the way im reading it the average inout lag on the Sonys is in the 80ms range? That's pathetic.. Those aren't in game mode I'm hoping?

Input lag test results on the 52A750

"Maybe the input lag on this set matches the lag in your head therefore you don't perceive it".
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Get a plasma. Problem solved.
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Get a plasma. Problem solved.

only panasonic... lg and samsung plasmas are just as bad as those sony lcds
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Aqua: I think so mate....on hdtestuk they have the ex500 in the 60s ms

Plasma's are not the answer if u r plannig to use it as a PC monitor like me.
If its just for gaming...a panny plasma is the best choice.

But instead its an LCD pc monitor i am looking for.
Seems the best choice are IPS panels. And I think the best choice is one from Panny line up.
Only thing is..they are really expensive.

LG, Philips also uses IPS screens...but somehow unlike the panny they aren't as reliable lag input wise. Seems to be a case of choosing the correct model.

Sharp is bit weird. A non IPS panel....but one of the best with input lag. The le700 is great. I believe a LED model...but its follow up the LE705 is not as great.
Again a bit pricey.

Right now my choice is the PFL8404 series from philips...only bit weird on the testings. One side its called fast with hardly any input lag. Others say in[put lag is around 45ms.
Any here test input lag on 8404?
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Sharp is bit weird. A non IPS panel....but one of the best with input lag.

Why is it a bit weird that the only manufacture that makes their own panels and exclusively uses their own panels in their own TVs has the lowest input lag?

Maybe other TV manufactures should get the hint and stop 3rd party outsourcing on the most important parts of the TV?

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only panasonic... lg and samsung plasmas are just as bad as those sony lcds

Still. Problem solved. Look into a G20 or VT25/20. Only 17 ms!? That's sounds great to me. Also can show full 1080 lines without extra processing. That's something not one single LCD can do.
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Still. Problem solved. Look into a G20 or VT25/20. Only 17 ms!? That's sounds great to me. Also can show full 1080 lines without extra processing. That's something not one single LCD can do.

yep thats why when a buddy of mine was looking for a new TV for his living room earlier this year i told him to get a Panny 50S1, he ended up getting the best buy/costco version the 50S14, didn't have game mode but as i told him and how it also played out the game mode was not necessary

they at the time played a lot of racing games doing drifting and were using a Panasonic DLP projector, as soon as they started play GT5 on it they were like its wierd i cant drift anymore, it was because they were use to the lag of the DLP and now that they are used to lower input lag they only play on the panasonic even though they still have the DLP in the room for a larger screen

If you're a gamer or interested in using an LCD TV as a primary monitor take a look at my thread on Input Lag
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Also can show full 1080 lines without extra processing. That's something not one single LCD can do.

afaik it can't do that actually, has to have IFC(frame interpolation) enabled in order to pull out the full 1080
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Sharp LC32LE700UN 32" LED LCD anyone? Only info I've found on input lag for it is one customer review on Amazon says Guitar Hero's calibration tool showed it to be 48ms in Game Mode, which didn't sound too good for a Sharp.

Most say the picture is pretty good on this one, and it can be had for under $600.

In the 700UN thread someone made the input lag and he constantly got results from 22ms to 28ms making it a great choice for gamers. The fact that the tv is backlite led also make that tv cloud proof which is the current bane of sharp's later 810/820UN.
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Anyone have test on the Panasonic Viera 32inch?
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afaik it can't do that actually, has to have IFC(frame interpolation) enabled in order to pull out the full 1080

test CNET have done on 600hz subfield drive panasonic from last year and the year before all had over 1000 lines of motion resolution and most did not have IFC.

plasma's are just plain faster from the get go than LCD's so they do not need anything to make them faster like LCD's do that modify the picture but IFC is becoming more common on top end panasonic's in effort to create the silky smooth playback on movies that LCD's can produce. motion resolution really has nothing to do with that on a plasma.

If you're a gamer or interested in using an LCD TV as a primary monitor take a look at my thread on Input Lag
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I'm awaiting a 46" Sony EX500 and PS3, both of which I ordered online.

It seems from all the talk about input lag, a lot of people talk about games like Rock Band, shooter games, etc.

Would I see input lag on sports games, such as Madden, MLB The Show, hockey, basketball games, etc?

Thank you!
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With Blur Reduction turned off, the VT20/25 achieved between 800-900 lines of resolution, although phosphor trails were still absent.

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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...3999480-2.html

vt20, at least, does use what panny calls "intelligent frame creation" to get 1080, though cnet says it doesn't affect how the framerate looks at all

I do recall a review somewhere saying that even with it off, it still did 1080, but I forgot where I read that.
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http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...l?tag=txt;page

65S1 last years model, had no IFC

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anasonic makes a big deal about its new "600Hz subfield drive," which it claims delivers better motion resolution. There's nothing incorrect about that claim as far as we can tell. According to our test, the TC-PS1 series resolved all 1200 lines of horizontal resolution in the Monoscope pattern, beating the Pioneer PRO-111FD, for example, which resolved "only" between 900 and 1000 lines. As usual, however, it was basically impossible to see any difference between the two sets' capabilities to deliver detail in fast-moving scenes; as far as we could tell, both looked equally superb in this regard. As we've said before, to our eyes superior motion resolution is quite difficult to appreciate.


If you're a gamer or interested in using an LCD TV as a primary monitor take a look at my thread on Input Lag
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