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Trying to understand the limitations of 120Hz - If I hookup a Blu-Ray player with 1080P to the LCD with either component or HDMI it will [b]NOT[b] be displayed with 120Hz? I won't get the hyper-real soap opera effect with the Blu-Ray player? I looked at the display a Costco the other day with my kids and they liked it best but also liked the soap opera effect of some of the other TVs. Will this effect be present while viewing normal HD broadcast from an Comcast HD cable box? At Costco I couldn't tell if the display was set so it would remove that look or if the ZV650 is not capable of the soap opera effect. Thanks

120Hz is always on. The smoothing feature that takes advantage of 120Hz can be turned off.

This model does not have aggressive SOE like some other brands (Samsung).
SOE will be most noticeable with a 1080p/24 input and film stabilization set to smooth. For normal broadcast viewing, 120Hz smoothing is of no use.
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OK, picture time. Here's the background info (for those that didn't read it) about how my sister and I ended up buying the 55ZV650U: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post18289999. My own HDTV-watching experience comes from a 2007 60Hz Olevia 747i 47" HDTV with Realta HQV de-interlacer (my own) and a 2008 120Hz Samsung LN52A750 (my folks') so I have experience watching high-def with and w/o the 'soap opera' effect. Unless noted you should assume that these pics were taken (a) with the TV's default settings (out-of-the-box with minimal-to-no backlight/tint adjustments) and (b) in their proper mode ('Game' for videogames, 'Movie' for motion pictures, 'PC' for computers, etc.). Camera is not the greatest (a 1999 Sony model that saves JPEG's) but hey, it's all I have.

Since the 55ZV650U came first the entertainment center had to be picked around the TV's size and not the other way around:



How's the notorious off-center viewing angle? In my experience no better or worse than an average HDTV but definitely not as good as the better/newer plasmas and LED models. The reflective glass on a brightly-lit afternoon didn't help (can you see my reflection in the first pic between the detectives?):

"LAW & ORDER" (Cablevision HD-DVR 1080i HDMI)
Dead Center:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00002-3.jpg
A little to the right:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00003-4.jpg
Little more to the right:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00004-5.jpg
Almost 90 degrees:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00005-4.jpg

How about the infamous vertical off-angle viewing? No big deal, I think.

Toshiba QOSMIO Laptop (HDMI, 1920x1080@60Hz)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00053-4.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00050-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00051-8.jpg

When you close the shades and just concentrate on looking at the ZV650U it puts out a decent-enough picture to forget about the reflections. Live action programming (i.e. non-film stuff) looked OK and didn't have any stuttering with the ClearFrame 240Hz effect on or off.

HD CABLE (with Picture-In-Picture)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00069-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00072-5.jpg
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HD CABLE (w/PIP cont).
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00070-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00075-1.jpg

It took film material playing at both 1080i (shot-on-film material) and 1080p/24Hz (PS3 Blu-ray) for my trained eye to notice a faint trace of the 'soap opera' effect. On the Samsung HDTV's with 120/240Hz refresh rates there's an option to have the 'SOE' either Off, Low, Medium and High. I prefer 'Low' because it gives just-enough smoothness to look cool without overtaking the moving pictures with unnatural motion. The ZV650U's 120/240 'effect' is below a Samsung's 'Low' setting but above it's 'Off' setting. You really have to look for it to find it, and then it's only visible if you know what you're looking for. I tried to show and explain the whole 120/240Hz refresh thing to my sister and her hubby but they didn't see it (or get it!) and were just happy with the HDTV 'as is.'

(please note in the next few pics taken in the dark there's a reflected blue nightlight center-right of the screen; the ZV650U reflected it clearly and the camera caught it but I didn't see it while actually watching the HDTV in action. Your mileage may vary)

"LAW & ORDER: SVU" (NBC, HD CABLE 1080i HDMI)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00173-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00179-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00176-1.jpg

"BRAVEHEART" (Blu-ray, PS3 HDMI, 1080p@24Hz)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00199.jpg

"THE THIRD MAN" (Criterion Blu-ray, PS3 HDMI, 1080p@24Hz)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00202.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00206.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00207.jpg

The scene in "Braveheart" when William Wallace's army clashes with the British forces looked to me almost identical as it looked on my Olevia 747i, an instance in which the 60 and 120Hz refresh rate differences between the models isn't visible to the naked eye during an intense action scene with a ton of movement. Then again, my HDTV has a Realta de-interlacer which was top-notch stuff back in '07.
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Standard definition DVD's looked great in the ZV650U through a 480p HDMI connection (from both PS3 and XBox 360 w/upconverting features turned off). Though clearly not high-def sharp they looked good considering it's a 480 signal being upconverted to the panel's 1920x1080 rez.

"AIRPLANE!" (DVD, HDMI 480p)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00210-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00213.jpg

"CARDCAPTOR SAKURA" (ditto)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00222.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00225.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00227.jpg

Yasujiro Ozu's "LATE SPRING" (same)


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00218.jpg

Maurice Pialat's "A NOS AMOURS" (aha!)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00214.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00217-1.jpg

One thing that impressed me about the ZV650U were the accuracy of its colors in all the different inputs/modes except for Sports (which blows the backlight skyhigh and looks ridiculously hot). All the movies above looked much better in person (particularly skin tones) than what the pictures convey.

Next up is my Toshiba HD-DVD Qosmio laptop which has both VGA and HDMI outputs.

TOSHIBA QOSMIO (HDMI with shared pic between HDTV and laptop screen)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00049-4.jpg
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Toshiba just called me and said "They NOW have the board to fix" my TV ROFL I told them they took to long & i have a LG that i'm vary happy with

a little rundown of it all
After they said they wanted a copy of my receipt to refund my money a mouth ago, they changed there mined (after i sent them the receipt) about giving me a refund & said they would fix my tv that week

Now they call and say they have parts ROFL they are full of it

So to all of you guys still having the HDMI sound problem i would get on the phone & start demanding a fix because they just told me they now have one
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TOSHIBA QOSMIO (HDMI with shared pic cont.)
Tried to run an HD-DVD on the laptop and ZV650U at the same time and the movie didn't load...
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00055-4.jpg
...until I shut the laptop screen off. Then the HD-DVD could play on both a little window...
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00063-4.jpg
...or full-screen on the ZV650U (1920x1080@60Hz).


TOSHIBA QOSMIO (various HDMI picture sizes)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00056-4.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00058-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00059-3.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00060-4.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00061-3.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00062-2.jpg

TOSHIBA QOSMIO (various VGA picture sizes)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00065-3.jpg
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TOSHIBA QOSMIO (VGA picture sizes cont.)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00066-3.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00067-4.jpg

DREAMCAST (VGA Box)

Videogame time! I couldn't get the ZV650U's VGA input to give me a pure white with the Dreamcast connected, only a 'yellow white'...
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00100-2.jpg
...that looks nothing like the pure white I got with the same Dreamcast system hooked-up with the same VGA cable/box on my Olevia 747i LCD. Maybe there's a Deep Color or PC option I didn't click (I tried them all) but even with the yellowish tint the graphics of the Dreamcast looked stellar. Better yet, lag on the control was minimal to non-existent.

"Confidential Mission":
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00095-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00096-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00097-3.jpg

"Sonic Adventure 2":
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00091-3.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00093-2.jpg

"Soul Calibur":

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00085-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00078-2.jpg
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"Soul Calibur" (cont.)
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http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00081-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00089-1.jpg

PLAYSTATION 2/PLAYSTATION (PS3 60GB w/enhancements-upscaling turned off)

My go-to game to test lag on an HDTV is "Hot Shots Golf Fore!" and, sadly, lag was strong and messed with my gameplay big time. The strange thing is that 90% of every other game I played on the ZV650U didn't have noticeable lag, not even "Confidential Mission" (a Dreamcast SD lightgun game that I played with a controller), many first-person shooters and action platformers. I don't play "Guitar Hero"-type music games (the one's that lag affect the most) but for games that require millisecond-precise inputs (like golf) the ZV650U is either average or barely-adequate:

"Hot Shots Golf Fore!" (PS2)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00242-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00248-1.jpg

"Wild 9" (PS1)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00232-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00235-1.jpg

"Crash Bandicoot" (PS1)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00238.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00239.jpg
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NINTENDO 64 (S-Video 480i cont.)

"Turok 2: Seeds of Evil" (crappy frame-rate always messed with this game's controls)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00039-3.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00041-3.jpg

SUPER NINTENDO (Composite 480i)

The SNES has always given me trouble when trying to connect it with an S-Video cable to any HDTV I've tried. The ZV650U proved no different. Even though it worked fine on my Olevia 747i the SNES wouldn't fire-up on the Toshiba with the S-Video connection. Switched it to composite and it came up immediately. Oh well, at least my 'Hadouken' fireballs came out on time and without a hitch.

"Super Street Fighter II: New Challengers"

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00032-5.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00034-4.jpg

"Mario Paint"
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00018-5.jpg

GENESIS (Composite 480i)

"Contra: Hard Corps" (solid!)
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00123-2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00117-3.jpg
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3DO (Composite 480i cont.)

"Captain Quazar"
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00126-3.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00129.jpg

XBOX 360 ELITE (HDMI 1080i)

"Borderlands"
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00252-1.jpg


"Half-Life 2: Orange Box"
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00255.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00257-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...3/DSC00259.jpg

PS3 (HDMI 720p)

"God of War III" (Demo)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00184-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00188-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...DSC00169-2.jpg

And that's it. I feel good that I picked the right TV for my sister and bro-in-law but it's clearly a trade-off to have a bigger screen with slightly 'milkier' blacks than what you'd get for a more expensive LED-based HDTV. The glossy screen is a distraction during daytime viewing but you can get over it if the content (like a competitive NCAA March Madness b-ball game) is good-enough. At night the ZV650U shines its brightest (both figuratively and literally) and, provided you're not expecting the deepest blacks or the smoothest 120/240Hz refresh rate 'effect' (fans of 'soap opera effect' could be forgiven for thinking this set is a 60Hz since the smoothing is almost invisible to the naked eye) it's a good bang-for-buck HDTV choice. Me? I'm riding my three-year old Olevia HDTV until it croaks, then looking for something with good strong blacks (preferably but not necessarily LED) and Picture-in-Picture options, a feature the ZV650U fails at like 90% of mainstream TV brands that have jettisoned the PIP options to the likes of Vizio.
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Toshiba just called me and said "They NOW have the board to fix" my TV ROFL I told them they took to long & i have a LG that i'm vary happy with

a little rundown of it all
After they said they wanted a copy of my receipt to refund my money a mouth ago, they changed there mined (after i sent them the receipt) about giving me a refund & said they would fix my tv that week

Now they call and say they have parts ROFL they are full of it

So to all of you guys still having the HDMI sound problem i would get on the phone & start demanding a fix because they just told me they now have one

Just a footnote, my service Ctr guy called yesterday and said Toshiba called him and the board replacement fix was ready. So he called to order the part and it is on back order.

No big deal, it's the way of the world now.

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Did I just see Sega Dreamcast
The best PQ is Free OTA HD Broadcasts, it kills Cable HD and Satelite HD hands down. Absolutely no compression. Anyway nice post and thanks for the information. Toshiba sure knows how to make a nice HDTV
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^^^ My sister lives in Upstate NY between NYC and Albany. Except for a couple of local stations (one of which runs infomercials 90% of the time) she can't get OTA reception from either the Albany or NYC TV stations with the crappy antenna they were using for their 32" Vizio. She and hubby were on the Direct TV SD package before, so both high-def cable and the 55ZV650U came at the same time. To them HD cable is miles better than anything they'd ever seen before except HD-DVD (haven't gone to Blu-ray yet) and, since what they can't see (OTA HD) won't bother them, I won't even mention OTA. They're DVR'ing "Lost" in HD tonight for the first time.

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Did I just see Sega Dreamcast

Even with the 'yellow white' color watching "Soul Calibur" in action stretched to fit the 55" screen of the ZV650U left me speechless. Yes, the newer "Tekken's" and "Soul Calibur' sequels look eons better and sharper. But there's something about seeing a fighter made in 1999 that can still turn my head and make me go 'WOW, THAT LOOKS FREAKING AWESOME!' that you just can't get from the newer, prettier HD games. What can I say, I like old stuff as much or more than the new high-def toys kids with their rock'n'roll loud music play with these days.
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Umm I didn't see Coleco Vision? I really want to see what that looks like also
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Oldest console I own is a TurboDuo that's busted and doesn't fire-up when turned on. If it worked I would have tested it (even though there was no more room in the big-ass luggage I carried all my other systems in).
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I'm sorry dad1153, but I just have to ask -- what is the point of all of those pictures? I understand that the set produces an amazing picture, as I have the 55", but I have never understood the point of taking pictures of a television image.

(Not to mention it takes forever to load this page now.)

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Okay, I bought my Toshiba LCD TV two months ago. After the set has been on for about an hour the lower left hand corner develops a bright spot and as time goes on the bright spot expands to the top of the screen, almost like a bright stripe. Could this be "back light bleeding?" If so, is this covered on the warranty? Thanks!
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I'm sorry dad1153, but I just have to ask -- what is the point of all of those pictures? I understand that the set produces an amazing picture, as I have the 55", but I have never understood the point of taking pictures of a television image.

(Not to mention it takes forever to load this page now.)

Don't want to answer for dad1153 but I believe he is showing the different style of images from different devices and angles. It basically shows how awesome that HDTV set is regardless what you throw at it
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Okay, I bought my Toshiba LCD TV two months ago. After the set has been on for about an hour the lower left hand corner develops a bright spot and as time goes on the bright spot expands to the top of the screen, almost like a bright stripe. Could this be "back light bleeding?" If so, is this covered on the warranty? Thanks!

Anything wrong with your HDTV is covered under wattanty. Contact Tech support and they will have somebody from Toshiba come over to your house and check it. If they find something wrong, they will either replace the HDTV or repair it. Contact them ASAP.
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Don't want to answer for dad1153 but I believe he is showing the different style of images from different devices and angles. It basically shows how awesome that HDTV set is regardless what you throw at it

Anything wrong with your HDTV is covered under wattanty. Contact Tech support and they will have somebody from Toshiba come over to your house and check it. If they find something wrong, they will either replace the HDTV or repair it. Contact them ASAP.

Well I'm glad that dad1153's sister's new TV is a great TV. I'm on WiFi and while it is an upgrade from dialup (live in the boonies) I tried at least 6 times yesterday to make the post about parts on back order. I gave up after 5 to 10 minutes (each time) of trying to get past the ongoing movie/dvd/tv/games and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

Sorry not trying to be rude, just a much shorter version of what it was like trying to post.

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Happy for his sister but hope she doesn't get a new TV for a while I'm an old guy and don't got that much time left.

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^^^ Sorry, didn't mean to clog the thread for the dial-up/WiFi folks!

It's typical of many AVS members to take pics of their set-ups to show-off what the new TV/projector looks like to the naked eye. Heck, the first post of this thread has pics from Cellis of his 47" ZV650U to show-off the early models of this particular brand of TV. Most people take a shot or two of whatever's playing (even commercials) and it's usually a Blu-ray movie or XBox 360 game. But, since I'm an old-school gamer (and modern HDTV's aren't made with concern for what legacy technology beyond VCR's and DVD players will look like on the new flat-screen panels) and rarely get to play with new HDTV's besides my own, I took a chance to test the ZV650U and see what/how it does with older consoles in (a) PQ and (b) response time. After all, unlike many newer HDTV models, Toshiba bothered to actually include an S-Video input with the ZV650U so I took it as an opportunity to see how it worked out. And, except for the 'yellow whites' from the VGA Dreamcast connection (which I'm convinced can be rectified with a proper set-up that I didn't find) and the noticeable lag in the "HSG Fore!" PS2 golf game every console I tried passed with flying colors. And hey, it's one thing to say the ZV650U has off-angle viewing issues (including vertical) and it's another to see an illustration of the problem as seen in the "L&O" pics at the top of the page. And I think my thoughts on the performance of the ZV650 can be better illustrated with pics of B&W stuff (HD "The Third Man," SD "Late Spring,"), skin tones (SD "A Nos Amours") and animation (SD "Cardcaptor Sakura") than your run-of-the-mill high-def show-off stuff ("Braveheart," "2001: A Space Odyssey," etc.) which I also included anyway.

Guess the short answer of why I did this is because I could and cared enough about it to do it. Now any new guy that comes to this thread and asks about how the ZV650U works with older stuff and computers (or whether the off-angle viewings are as bad as some say) can be referred to this page and told to shut up.
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^^^ Sorry, didn't mean to clog the thread for the dial-up/WiFi folks!

It's typical of many AVS members to take pics of their set-ups to show-off what the new TV/projector looks like to the naked eye.

Instead of embedding the pics in the post, use links to the pics.

This page load time is unknown for me, since the pictures never fully load.
Then I have to hold the scroll bar so when I'm trying to read the last post, the page doesn't keep jumping as the pics load.
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^^^ It's done!

MUCH better -- thanks!

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Ahh, very nice indead.
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Ahh, very nice indead.

Ditto on the very nice, Thank You 1153.

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Stopped by my local Costco yesterday to take another look and they were sold out of the ZV650U.
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Stopped by my local Costco yesterday to take another look and they were sold out of the ZV650U.

Check with CompUSA.

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^^^ I thought CompUSA went out of business a couple of years ago and became one of those internet online sellers that use the well-known name of a bankrupt company (like Circuit City) for name recognition.
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