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Old 07-01-2009, 09:18 AM
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New guy here, first post. I am actually on a BIG learning curve trying to decide on a new LCD. My learning curve took me to this great forum. So let me quickly add something back. I was at BB yesterday (in central NJ) wanting to see the 55LH90 up close and personal. There was NONE on display. The manager checked his computer while I looked directly over his shoulder. None in stock and up in the right hand corner was the words "DELETED". I asked about this, the manager had no clue. I then found this thread and read the same thing. No answers yet? While watching over the managers' shoulder I was able to see what BB's cost is for the 55LH90. The screen had "AVG COST-2000.96". It showed the unit available for purchase on line. I am about to make a decision, or at least I thought I was. The more I research I do the less sure I become on which make/model. I am torn between the Samsung UN55B8000; the LG 55LH90; the great deals on the Samsung LN55A950 (which by the way according to them is still their top model);or waiting a few months on the LG 93/95 and the Samsung UN55B8500. It would help in my decision if I knew WHY BB has the LH90 DELETED already.

No one knows what that means but it could be that BB will no longer carry them once they've sold their inventory. It might not have anything to do about it being a discontinued model or not. I don't think we'll ever know unless an LG rep finds out or when the LG93/95 come out and the inventory levels on the LH90 are not replenished.
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Played with the 55LH90 some more last night. I was playing with the 240hz modes (Off, Low, High). To my eyes, motion actually looks better with it off.

Hi raleigh29,

That is comforting to hear; it reflects my own experiences with most motion-enhancing software.

It's great to hear you're enjoying your new set so much. They are beauties, aren't they?

Yours,

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Cleveland - you don't ship to Anchorage do you? - guessing not since nobody else does.

BB up here has it $100 OVER MSRP so first negotiation is to get it back to MSRP then see where I can go from there. Saw it in the store last night and it looked good. The movement issue was definately there with 240hz. Looked better with it low / off -- I didn't have to much time so didn't change to much of the settings.

It is a shame that the frame is glossy -- it really picked up all the lights etc whereas the screen looked great. The Samsung next to it looked more like a mirror than a tv......
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The bottom line here for me is the motion handling issues that are being confirmed here over and over again.

I've see it countless times at BB (on xxLH40 sets only with TrueMotion 120hz set to Low and High) -- actually I don't see much difference with it off as well.
Raleigh29 thinks things look better with TrueMotion OFF.
Davidjschenk has witnessed it at the shootout.
The Great 2009 Shootout audience evaluation ranked it last for Moving Resolution

I'm also maintaining a holding pattern until more data is presented (lets go D-Nice with your final report). I'm not holding out for good news.

Also, here is how I see it:
TrueMotion 240hz OFF / Real Cinema OFF = 60hz for all sources
TrueMotion 240hz OFF / Real Cinema ON = 120hz for 24hz source (5:5 pull-down) / 60hz for 60hz sources (a 24hz source would be up-converted to 60hz via 3:2 pull-down).
TrueMotion 240hz ON = 240hz for all sources = 120hz (Frame Interpolation) plus 120hz Backlight strobe (dark frame insertion).
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The LH90 is a 120hz panel with a scanning led backlight. This results in a hold time of 8.3ms. The "240hz TruMotion" is just Motion Interpolation.

The scanning backlight helps reduce blur by firing in horizontal bands. It sort of mimics scanning like a CRT television.



LG is supposed to be having a 240hz panel with rear-led coming out sometime this year. They claim "480hz TruMotion". The hold time should be 4.1ms.



A lower "hold time" is one of the most important charateristics for reducing blur.
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The bottom line here for me is the motion handling issues that are being confirmed here over and over again.

• I’ve see it countless times at BB (on xxLH40 sets only with TrueMotion 120hz set to Low and High) -- actually I don’t see much difference with it off as well.
• Raleigh29 thinks things look better with TrueMotion OFF.
• Davidjschenk has witnessed it at the shootout.
• The Great 2009 Shootout audience evaluation ranked it last for Moving Resolution

I’m also maintaining a holding pattern until more data is presented (lets go D-Nice with your final report). I’m not holding out for good news.

Also, here is how I see it:
• TrueMotion 240hz OFF / Real Cinema OFF = 60hz for all sources
• TrueMotion 240hz OFF / Real Cinema ON = 120hz for 24hz source (5:5 pull-down) / 60hz for 60hz sources (a 24hz source would be up-converted to 60hz via 3:2 pull-down).
• TrueMotion 240hz ON = 240hz for all sources = 120hz (Frame Interpolation) plus 120hz Backlight strobe (dark frame insertion).

South Side, Ed Johnson (eddicus) calibrated the LH90. His biggest knock on the set is it's off-angle viewing. He also stated that this set suffers from over-pushed RED & GREENS OTB, yet when you fiddle with the CMS the set's colors start acting weird..

But leaving the CMS @ DEFAULT the set's color was much better. This seems to support CNET's review of the LG LH55 which also states the Colors are basically spot-on OTB

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16750280
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The bottom line here for me is the motion handling issues that are being confirmed here over and over again.

• I’ve see it countless times at BB (on xxLH40 sets only with TrueMotion 120hz set to Low and High) -- actually I don’t see much difference with it off as well.
• Raleigh29 thinks things look better with TrueMotion OFF.
• Davidjschenk has witnessed it at the shootout.
• The Great 2009 Shootout audience evaluation ranked it last for Moving Resolution

I’m also maintaining a holding pattern until more data is presented (lets go D-Nice with your final report). I’m not holding out for good news.

Also, here is how I see it:
• TrueMotion 240hz OFF / Real Cinema OFF = 60hz for all sources
• TrueMotion 240hz OFF / Real Cinema ON = 120hz for 24hz source (5:5 pull-down) / 60hz for 60hz sources (a 24hz source would be up-converted to 60hz via 3:2 pull-down).
• TrueMotion 240hz ON = 240hz for all sources = 120hz (Frame Interpolation) plus 120hz Backlight strobe (dark frame insertion).

Any idea on what TrueMotion 240hz Low means? I'm guessing it lowers the strobing frequency?

EDIT: Also, if what you are saying is true, the Toshiba probably has an equivalent to Real Cinema that can be turned on/off to maintain 120hz for 5:5 pulldown of 24hz sources. I think it is called Film Stabilization.
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Any idea on what TrueMotion 240hz Low means?

I was wondering the same thing

low = 120hz?
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My view is that TrueMotion 240hz LOW = 240hz with less processing the HIGH. Still 240hz. The only time 120hz is engaged is when a 24hz source is feed to the set via a BD Player and 5:5 pull-down is applied -- 24 times 5 = 120. Real Cinema needs to be ON as well.
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My view is that TrueMotion 240hz LOW = 240hz with less processing the HIGH. Still 240hz. The only time 120hz is engaged is when a 24hz source is feed to the set via a BD Player and 5:5 pull-down is applied -- 24 times 5 = 120. Real Cinema needs to be ON as well.

Sounds good to me! lol
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Anyone get the feeling that less strobing by turning off 240hz will help the TV last longer? If there is no discernable difference, why not just leave it off?
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I was hoping for more of a difference in price at Cleveland Plasma between the 47" & the 55". There's only a $250 difference, where as other paces it's around a $600-$800 difference.

I'd love to get one of these babies but a 55" is too big for my wallet & apartment, while the 47" is just too big for my wallet.


We just fixed the price on the 47lH90 for you
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Cleveland, when do you think we'll hear from Chad B on his calibrating that LH90?
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Any idea on what TrueMotion 240hz Low means? I'm guessing it lowers the strobing frequency?

EDIT: Also, if what you are saying is true, the Toshiba probably has an equivalent to Real Cinema that can be turned on/off to maintain 120hz for 5:5 pulldown of 24hz sources. I think it is called Film Stabilization.

saiga, below is the Toshiba quote regarding the Film stabilization and its parameter settings:

Using the Film Stabilization feature
This feature helps to eliminate video shaking.
1 From the PICTURE menu, highlight Advanced
Picture Settings and press T.
2 Press B or b to select Film Stabilization.
3 Press C or c to select Smooth, Standard or Off and
press O.
Note: If the Picture Mode is set to Game, this feature is set
to Off automatically.

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We just fixed the price on the 47lH90 for you

If/when you stock the Toshiba 55SV670U, assuming the same great supplier, will it be as much of a bargain as the LH90? If you offered both sets at roughly the same price point, it would make life difficult for a number of us on the fence between the 2, but it would better show just how similar they are.

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We just fixed the price on the 47lH90 for you

Cleveland, Cleveland--you have just been the man here these past few days. Very impressive.

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We just fixed the price on the 47lH90 for you

You know, I didn't mind that small price gap between the 47" and the 55". How about adjusting the price of that 55"?
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You know, I didn't mind that small price gap between the 47" and the 55". How about adjusting the price of that 55"?

You wont find a better price on the 55" in the U.S. and bear in mind this price flucuates and may be higher sooner then later due to the wholesale vendor supplying Chris @ Cleveland Plasma.

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You wont find a better price on the 55" in the U.S. and bear in mind this price flucuates and may be higher sooner then later due to the wholesale vendor supplying Chris @ Cleveland Plasma.

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Your right on that one, by $200 to $300!!!!!!
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If/when you stock the Toshiba 55SV670U, assuming the same great supplier, will it be as much of a bargain as the LH90? If you offered both sets at roughly the same price point, it would make life difficult for a number of us on the fence between the 2, but it would better show just how similar they are.

Nothing special about our Toshiba price. Toshiba will be prices higher from most venders. ( These units are not out just yet for us. )
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Cleveland,

Will you be selling any of the 42"? I only see the 47" and 55" on your site.

Thanks.
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I do know from experience that Toshiba has excellent service and LG has excellent service on their Refrigerators !!!!

Dont know anything about LG service reputation when it comes to their TV`s.

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They have good washing machines, too!

Both companies came out with nice designs, but I really like the glass extending to the edges on the Toshiba. The melting blue drip look on the LG is unnecessary, but the subtle blue accents look good to me, as well. It's not like that hideous LG Scarlet, or the annoying red Touch Of Color on the Samsungs. My current Samsung is a glossy dust magnet, and I'm always afraid of scratching it when cleaning, which is another thing to like about the glass covered Toshiba.

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Nothing special about our Toshiba price. Toshiba will be prices higher from most venders. ( These units are not out just yet for us. )

I hope you make it special when the time comes!
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Both companies came out with nice designs, but I really like the glass extending to the edges on the Toshiba. The melting blue drip look on the LG is unnecessary, but the subtle blue accents look good to me, as well. It's not like that hideous LG Scarlet, or the annoying red Touch Of Color on the Samsungs. My current Samsung is a glossy dust magnet, and I'm always afraid of scratching it when cleaning, which is another thing to like about the glass covered Toshiba.[/QUOTE

JPowers, myself and others originally thought the new LGLH90 had a blue tint to it but it does not. In fact the unit is quite nice looking as you can see it below in this video that a fellow member recently posted after purchasing the 47" :

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Anyone played a PS3 on one of these yet? Cleveland has great price on the 55LH90. I've been considering a Kuro 600M, but I want to use it as a computer monitor sometimes as well and I'm just not sure.
Input lag is one of the biggest factors for me at the moment.
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Anyone played a PS3 on one of these yet? Cleveland has great price on the 55LH90. I've been considering a Kuro 600M, but I want to use it as a computer monitor sometimes as well and I'm just not sure.
Input lag is one of the biggest factors for me at the moment.

Send raleigh29 a pm and ask since he does play video games with an Xbox 360 on his new set below:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...150014&page=11

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The melting blue drip look on the LG is unnecessary, but the subtle blue accents look good to me, as well.

I wonder if they have an off option like on my older samsung
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LG 55LH95 and 55LH93 are priced at about 7 Million Korean Won (US$ 5,500) and 7.6 Million Won (US$ 5,900) respectively.

Wow; anybody looking forward to the new models?
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Wow; anybody looking forward to the new models?

Not at those prices............
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Does anyone know if 93/95 are anything other than a slim form factor of the 90?
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