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Thanks Chad for the well written & extensive review.

Hope you post this over at http://www.**************.com/showthread.php?t=1760 since SO many AVS members have jumped the ship here and swam over there !!!

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^ I want to read this but can you edit and put some line breaks so I don't go blind

Copy and paste it into a text program and double space it. That's what I did anyways.

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Thanks Chad!
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So does this mean that the LH90 will generally have better PQ than a Sammy B750?

It sounds promising enough that I may just return the Sammy and get the LG. Then I'll need to find someone good to calibrate it here in Central Texas. Any recommendations, Chad (or anyone else)?
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If some of the prior posters here want to jump ship and start or migrate to a new forum, well this is America so I guess they can. I wont.
But to ask Chad, who works with one of AVS forums sponsors, to post his calibration work over there is, IMO, just plain wrong. Cleveland Plazma, I'm sure, doesnt get to be a AVS sponsor for free. They pay for those banner ads. Chris was kind enough to extend a special price for members here and some of them have apparently taken him up on that offer. Good for them. As I stated above users have a right to start their own forum, but to post here urging members to go there is just _____________________
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Umm, like you say, it's a free country? Chris or whoever can decide for themselves whether they should seek out additional audiences if they want. Is that such a crime?
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Can one of you owners do some gaming lag tests on this set?
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*Snip*

Ah, relief! I appreciate your diligence on the issue of performance for these LED sets, David.

Say, would you be willing to do some input lag tests on the LG and Tosh? I know many of these new HDTV's introduce quite a bit with all their processing, and the ranges of measurements vary quite dramatically. I realize video gamers are probably concerned the most, but the input lag is also of concern for lip-sync issues, so having measured numbers is nice to have for offsetting the lag on receivers. It'd be great if you could and the process is relatively straight forward. You'd need a CRT monitor, but probably the easiest thing to do would be to measure the lag of your laptop at home with a CRT, then measure the TV's against your laptop and add the difference from the CRT measurements. Let us know! Cheers.

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Ah, relief! I appreciate your diligence on the issue of performance for these LED sets, David.

Say, would you be willing to do some input lag tests on the LG and Tosh? I know many of these new HDTV's introduce quite a bit with all their processing, and the ranges of measurements vary quite dramatically. I realize video gamers are probably concerned the most, but the input lag is also of concern for lip-sync issues, so having measured numbers is nice to have for offsetting the lag on receivers. It'd be great if you could and the process is relatively straight forward. You'd need a CRT monitor, but probably the easiest thing to do would be to measure the lag of your laptop at home with a CRT, then measure the TV's against your laptop and add the difference from the CRT measurements. Let us know! Cheers.

Hi again Yukon Trooper,

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Hi again Yukon Trooper,

I'll do what I can. Look for my report at **************.

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Sounds good. I'll make sure to sign up.

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It sounds like a great panel, but I'm more curious on the feedback around what some folks saw as motion issues while watching it. Have others seen this as well?
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It sounds like a great panel, but I'm more curious on the feedback around what some folks saw as motion issues while watching it. Have others seen this as well?

It sounds like it was stuttering, artifacts, etc. when the interpolation technology was engaged. With the interpolation tech disengaged, it performed normally like any other 60Hz LCD or plasma. However, this was only during test scenes, and when the tech was engaged during normal content, everybody thought the picture looked just fine. In Chad's review, he mentioned that he thought he saw some minor artifacts with interpolation set to low, but he said it wasn't offensive and did the whole review in this mode.

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It seems they have a blooming problem with LH95, or at least with the ones at the LG coming out...



"I wanted to examine the LEDs with local dimming, too. Even though it was a LG event and the environmental light and the content on the screen was not ideal I was able to examine some of the effects, such as perceived black level and the blooming effect. I was lucky to see white text on black background, which is good to expose the blooming effect from the local dimming technology. In practice this means that because the TV only has a certain amount of LED zones some areas that are not supposed to be lit, are lit: for example the black area around the white text.

LG LH9500 has this issue as well and it was visible on white text on black background. The local dimming is not perfect because it has too few zones. Ideally you would want one LED behind every pixel but then we're actually talking about the functional principle of OLED.
I still look forward to see the LH9500 on the test bench in a month or two, however."



http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1245931674

Yeah but I guess that the Sammy B9000 will have blooming issues as well when it arrives.
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Yeah but I guess that the Sammy B9000 will have blooming issues as well when it arrives.

All LED local dimming sets will have blooming to a certain degree.

The reason for this is that LC panels aren't perfect light filters. If they were there wouldn't be a necessity for the local dimming backlight in the first place!

The amount of blooming can be reduced of course by increasing the amount of dimming zones and using fast & intelligent dimming algorithms.
It also appears that blooming becomes more and more visible the higher the viewing angle gets. Some panel types appear to be more susceptible for this than others, however, and using a different panel type could therefore be a solution, too.

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What HDMI cables do you all recommend for the LH90?

There seems to be alot of choices.
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What HDMI cables do you all recommend for the LH90?

There seems to be alot of choices.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
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Some guy at BB was telling me I needed the monster cable for about $119.00. Very interesting.
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Some guy at BB was telling me I needed the monster cable for about $119.00. Very interesting.

LIES.... The cables I just posted are as good if not better than the Over-Rated Monster HDMI Cables. Every thing in my home that is connected via HDMI is connected using those HDMI cables I posted. No lost of Audio or Picture Quality
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I personally like Blue Jeans Cable series 1. But at 26.50 each they are probably overkill for most applications. I however like the fact that their guage of internal wire is thicker than most others. You REALLY dont need a $100.00 cable. Visit the Blue Jeans website if for no other reason than to learn about cables, their construction, and specifications. Interesting reading. I probably would be very happy with monoprices cables as I have bought many other products from them including digital audio cables both toslink and co-axial.
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Some guy at BB was telling me I needed the monster cable for about $119.00. Very interesting.

Honesty and Integrity mean nothing to some (that is one of the reasons our world is going haywire), over here we will down sell you to a $35 Gefen cable with shipping.
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Some guy at BB was telling me I needed the monster cable for about $119.00. Very interesting.

Did you immediately kick him in the junk?
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Chad B, what was your ANSI black level that you got with the LH90?

Also, your last comment about the Sammy 550 confused me a little, were you saying that you thought the 550 would be much better but they are both on par with one another?

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Why would they discontinue something that's been out a month?

This is their top 2009 model thats not in the ultra-thin form factor, which not everyone cares about.

BB has pulled it from their system. They are still selling it online and the stores that have them in stock, but it has been confirmed from several different stores that the TV is deleted in their system. They only carried it for a few weeks so the speculations are that LG was pulling it for some reason....

I don't know what the reason is, but I bought mine today and getting it delivered on Sunday. Got it a full-motion mount, delivery, calibration (will limit the guy based on input received) and full warranty (I know normally not needed) for just a tad over MSRP. Being up here in AK it is a good deal so I will join everyone once I have it setup
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*Snip*

Any further comments on edge enhancementt? I know past LG models have been poor in this regard. Also, any motion smearing problems on test material? I've had S-IPS screens in the past that would smear quite a bit. Those were fairly old models and I know LG is claiming a 2.4ms response time, but who knows where they pulled that number from.

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I was just out looking at the LH90 again. Well, one thing I saw was that when names or lettering come up on a black backgroud there is terrible halo. Sorry to say it's not good at all. Now, you cannot see this from straight on but from an angle it is very noticable and blooms out probably a few inches around each word. The set I looked at wasn't calibrated but I don't know if that makes any difference. I tried all the settings, Vivid, standard, Normal and THX and it was evident in all settings.

I walked over to the XBR to check to see if it would do this as well but it didn't really. It was very minor and not distracting.

So unless Chad's calibration gets helps tone this down then this isn't a set for me, it was that bad.


Oh, I had mentioned that the cornor of the panel moved. Well I realized that LG uses the screen as a speaker which means the screen does move, basically it's a floating screen in a sense. So now I know why the screen moves slightly.
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ltgary - are you still the only one that actually owns the TV? Do you mind sharing your current settings on the tv? I am getting mine this coming weekend and would like a place to start with the settings.

Thanks!
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Oh, I had mentioned that the cornor of the panel moved. Well I realized that LG uses the screen as a speaker which means the screen does move, basically it's a floating screen in a sense. So now I know why the screen moves slightly.

Where did you get that from?

On a related note, does anyone have a pdf of the manual yet?

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Having bought my set back on 5/26 I think I may now be the first owner here but I think there are now several of us. FYI I have PM'd Chad and asked if he could furnish his settings for the set he calibrated. It would be very useful to know what he ended up with for Backlight(40),Contrast(83),Brightness(62), H. Sharpness(55),V Sharpness(50),Color(47), Tint(G1), Local Dimming(on), Gamma(medium), White Balance(warm) etc. While that would by no means match professional ISF calibration it would be a very good starting point and should produce an excellent picture. While I am happy with each of my settings(as noted above) for the set it would be interesting to see where Chad ended up and maybe I could improve upon what I have. Additionaly there are alot of user adjustable settings that I just didnt fool with(adjust) because I really dont know what I am doing. While Chad's posted charts are impressive and show this is a damn good set they really dont corolate to any adjustments that I can make as far as I can tell.
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Where did you get that from?

On a related note, does anyone have a pdf of the manual yet?

At the 1:35 mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuUWbNrOkLk
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At the 1:35 mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuUWbNrOkLk

Interesting. I haven't seen this in any printed form yet, either press releases or spec sheets from LG. It looked like the guy in the video was standing in front of the upcoming thin LED sets & I couldn't see the little drop on the right side like on the 55".

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