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post #631 of 4729 Old 08-03-2009, 06:35 AM
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Gratz on the purchase Eagle. Mine is coming next Saturday. I have not been able to verify this through my own first hand experience but from all I have read here on the forums one huge difference in the LG's favor is that it does not have any clouding or edge light bleeding (flash lighting) issues.

If you are talking about light bleeding from the edges of the system you are correct there is none of that. (unlike my westinghouse)

However if you are talking about lightend areas surrounding bright spots on a dark screen (think credits using white letters over a black background) Then you will see those occasionaly when viewing within 15-20 degrees from center. If you are looking at the screen from 45degrees or more you will see it much more, probably close to 90 percent of the time.

otherwise I would agree that this set can easily perform as well as the a950 for PQ and color rendition. I will have to also say that I have never seen the lh09 and the a950 calibrated and side by side so my remarks are subjective.

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If you are talking about light bleeding from the edges of the system you are correct there is none of that. (unlike my westinghouse)

However if you are talking about lightend areas surrounding bright spots on a dark screen (think credits using white letters over a black background) Then you will see those occasionaly when viewing within 15-20 degrees from center. If you are looking at the screen from 45degrees or more you will see it much more, probably close to 90 percent of the time.

otherwise I would agree that this set can easily perform as well as the a950 for PQ and color rendition. I will have to also say that I have never seen the lh09 and the a950 calibrated and side by side so my remarks are subjective.

Thanks for the first hand info Eagle! Yep, I was referring to the edge light bleeding, ever corner had it on the a850 I had for a brief while. It just ruined dark back drops in movies under low light viewing. The other thing you described very well is referred to here are halos and I am aware there is some amount of it involved with the LH90. I am of the opinion that of the faults a flat panel might have, this may be the most tolerable and least noticeable for every day viewing and as hard as I tried under bright light viewing at the BB store I simply could not see them. In a less light room I am sure there will be some amount from what I have read but I am not concerned as most have indicated that it is easily overlooked.
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I am considering buying an LG 55LG90, and am looking for input on one of the features. That feature is "Clear Voice II." Lately, both my wife and I, both card carrying members of the exclusive AARP, are experiening difficulty is hearing movie/TV dialog when loud background sound is also present. We currently have an older (4 years) Phillips plasma that has a speech emphasis selection in it's sound memu. This really is nothing more than just equalizer setings adjusted to favor speech frequencies. It does not provide any real help with our problem. Clear Voice II claims to do more then that. I tried to evaluate it at a local Frye's store, but found the background noise from the store and other demo TV's prevented any meaniful evaluation.

My question then is, how do owner's of TV's with this feature evaluate its value? Is it just hype, or does it provide discernable improvement in the ability to hear dialogue over loud soundtracks? I have been able to find many evaluations of the 55LH90, but have found little more than a mention of the "Clear Voice II" function in those reviews. I hope input from owners of this set will provide a better evaluation of its value.

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I checked this feature out in the store and it seemed to work great. If it works against a noisy back drop like in a retail store, I am sure it will work just fine at home too!

Sorry, tgettle, about not responding. I went and used the Clear Voice feature to see if I liked it, and I have to say I do. So much so that I've been using it in lieu of my receiver just about exclusively now if I'm not sitting down to watch a BluRay movie or PPV HD movie. The voices are definitely much louder. I was watching Die Hard IV on Uverse when I switched from receiver to the TV speaker, and the dialogue was much easier to hear through the TV (may be time for a new receiver).

Sorry for the late reply, but I don't get by this forum very often these days.

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If you are talking about light bleeding from the edges of the system you are correct there is none of that. (unlike my westinghouse)

However if you are talking about lightend areas surrounding bright spots on a dark screen (think credits using white letters over a black background) Then you will see those occasionaly when viewing within 15-20 degrees from center. If you are looking at the screen from 45degrees or more you will see it much more, probably close to 90 percent of the time.

otherwise I would agree that this set can easily perform as well as the a950 for PQ and color rendition. I will have to also say that I have never seen the lh09 and the a950 calibrated and side by side so my remarks are subjective.

All remarks are subjective. Even if the sets were next to each other and calibrated simultaneously by identical twins, the evaluation of which set is better would vary by person.

The human is the biggest subjective factor in the evaluation of all things visual.

I do like the way you cover yourself, by making a statement and taking it back in the very same sentence. You have a future waiting for you in politics.
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All remarks are subjective. Even if the sets were next to each other and calibrated simultaneously by identical twins, the evaluation of which set is better would vary by person.

The human is the biggest subjective factor in the evaluation of all things visual.

I do like the way you cover yourself, by making a statement and taking it back in the very same sentence. You have a future waiting for you in politics.

I am not taking the statement back so much as just warning that someone else may get a different conclusion. I should also state that from my brief viewing if you can afford to spend the extra money the a950 may be a better set. I would not be able to say the it "is" a better set because I did not see anything extra (in the 25min I sat looking at it and the pioneer).

On the other hand (I am not trying to start anything) I personally did not see any major difference between this set (55lh90) or the a950 or the pioneer 141fd all in the same room... only on the most extreme viewing angle (75 degrees) did I see any dropoff or halos on the lcd sets. I personally do not like the heat thrown out of the plasmas to warrent getting one, maybe if I lived in alaska.

Anyway the purpose of that comment was to say your milage may very as everyone sees differently.

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I've been lurking around on this forum for a while since I'm researching for a new TV. (Current is a 36" Sony 1080i CRT, a behemoth!!).

I spent some time in the plasma forum thinking about the panasonic G10, and still do some, but lately have been thinking LCD is the route for me. Its boiled down to two, the 47" LG, or the Samsung UN46B6000. I looked at both for a while at best buy this weekend, the Sammy 600 off and both were 1999. Pulling the trigger on the sammy right there was tempting. But in reality looking at both displayed 6 ft apart, I liked the LG more, of course the Sammy could have used some tweaking. The Sammy is cooler looking no doubt. Well the sale is off on the sammy, the LG dropped 100 more. Of course the wild card is the 47" Vizio LED coming out in Oct with wi-fi.

That about sums up my thoughts, It would seem the most TV for the buck (LCDs) is the LG. Not sure about purchasing a Vizio and don't think I'll wait for that. The Cnet review of the LG is really good as is Chad's post on his calibration. Those two things have me pretty convinced.

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I've been lurking around on this forum for a while since I'm researching for a new TV. (Current is a 36" Sony 1080i CRT, a behemoth!!).

I spent some time in the plasma forum thinking about the panasonic G10, and still do some, but lately have been thinking LCD is the route for me. Its boiled down to two, the 47" LG, or the Samsung UN46B6000. I looked at both for a while at best buy this weekend, the Sammy 600 off and both were 1999. Pulling the trigger on the sammy right there was tempting. But in reality looking at both displayed 6 ft apart, I liked the LG more, of course the Sammy could have used some tweaking. The Sammy is cooler looking no doubt. Well the sale is off on the sammy, the LG dropped 100 more. Of course the wild card is the 47" Vizio LED coming out in Oct with wi-fi.

That about sums up my thoughts, It would seem the most TV for the buck (LCDs) is the LG. Not sure about purchasing a Vizio and don't think I'll wait for that. The Cnet review of the LG is really good as is Chad's post on his calibration. Those two things have me pretty convinced.

Any thoughts??

What has led you to conclude that an LCD is a better fit than a Plasma? I am not wanting to start a war here but knowing this may help us share our thoughts with you about several things you may want to consider if you have not already done so.

Without more information than what is at hand though-

I think both the Sammie and the LG are very good LCD panels. If I only watched TV in brighter rooms it would have been a more difficult decision for me between a few different sets; However, I have seen too many posts regarding flash lighting on clouding on several models in darker rooms for many of these other possible choices to figure into the equation for me. Truthfully of the sets I have looked at only the LG did not have a history of posts here on the forums as having these problems. There is one other that I would like to have seen but it was not available locally for me to look at and that was the Toshiba SV series. If you can see them locally you may want to give those a look also.
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A couple of considerations led me away from plasmas:

1) Energy efficiency, yes the new panny plasmas are energy star rated, but according to cnet out of the box they are a little dim and need turning up, but still good. The LG of course and the Sammy smoke it in that regard. Yes, I know its not much,but I'm a tree hugger at heart.
2) IR. I know that its not supposed to be an issue. We still watch a good bit of 4:3 content and I hate having to stretch to fill and watching a scene having a weird aspect ratio. Also watch movies with 2:35:1 content and hate worrying about IR on the black bars at top and bottom. I also have a large library of recorded DVDs from HD channels like HBO, cinemax, HDnet, StarzHD. The problem their is dvd recorders, record a wide screen image in a 4:3 frame I'll still have bars to deal with and you can't zoom it all away. Maybe none of this is an issue, maybe steering away from plasma relative to IR is just piece of mind.

Those are the big ones. Of course I like the matte screen of the LG. I don't have a lot of windows in my living room, but its open to the kitchen and I routinely see those windows and the front door through the front hall.

I haven't totally ruled out the G10, in fact for the price of the two LCDs I'm considering I could get the V10 with a few more picture controls. I'm not a fan of the scant picture controls on the panasonic plasmas, another reason for leaning toward the LG.
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Picture controls are a great feature, if one of two situations occurs. First, the set has some color abnormality that needs fixing. Some push certain colors and that pleases some people and bothers others. The ability to correct this is critical if the out of the box color balance bothers you.

Second situation is if you are a perpetual tweaker. While this tendency can tend to drive other family members nuts, it is something that a tweaker just can't control. Many develop this illness when a set is new, but recover nicely once things get dialed in to their liking. After the recovery period, many never relapse into the menus again.

I'm a recovering tweaker. Having my set dialed in the way I like it, I never get into the settings.
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A couple of considerations led me away from plasmas:

1) Energy efficiency, yes the new panny plasmas are energy star rated, but according to cnet out of the box they are a little dim and need turning up, but still good. The LG of course and the Sammy smoke it in that regard. Yes, I know its not much,but I'm a tree hugger at heart.
2) IR. I know that its not supposed to be an issue. We still watch a good bit of 4:3 content and I hate having to stretch to fill and watching a scene having a weird aspect ratio. Also watch movies with 2:35:1 content and hate worrying about IR on the black bars at top and bottom. I also have a large library of recorded DVDs from HD channels like HBO, cinemax, HDnet, StarzHD. The problem their is dvd recorders, record a wide screen image in a 4:3 frame I'll still have bars to deal with and you can't zoom it all away. Maybe none of this is an issue, maybe steering away from plasma relative to IR is just piece of mind.

Those are the big ones. Of course I like the matte screen of the LG. I don't have a lot of windows in my living room, but its open to the kitchen and I routinely see those windows and the front door through the front hall.

I haven't totally ruled out the G10, in fact for the price of the two LCDs I'm considering I could get the V10 with a few more picture controls. I'm not a fan of the scant picture controls on the panasonic plasmas, another reason for leaning toward the LG.

If you're thinking about plasma, you should also throw the Pioneer KRP pro monitor into your potential list as well (assuming you have a cable box and a sound system). If you had it calibrated, you could unlock the ISF Day mode, which can get all the way up to 60 ftl. At the prices they are going for now, it's a steal.

Of course, if you want a bright, bright image, LCD is still the way to go. I have a Pioneer Elite and I'm considering picking up a LH90 as well.
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A couple of considerations led me away from plasmas:

1) Energy efficiency, yes the new panny plasmas are energy star rated, but according to cnet out of the box they are a little dim and need turning up, but still good. The LG of course and the Sammy smoke it in that regard. Yes, I know its not much,but I'm a tree hugger at heart.
2) IR. I know that its not supposed to be an issue. We still watch a good bit of 4:3 content and I hate having to stretch to fill and watching a scene having a weird aspect ratio. Also watch movies with 2:35:1 content and hate worrying about IR on the black bars at top and bottom. I also have a large library of recorded DVDs from HD channels like HBO, cinemax, HDnet, StarzHD. The problem their is dvd recorders, record a wide screen image in a 4:3 frame I'll still have bars to deal with and you can't zoom it all away. Maybe none of this is an issue, maybe steering away from plasma relative to IR is just piece of mind.

Those are the big ones. Of course I like the matte screen of the LG. I don't have a lot of windows in my living room, but its open to the kitchen and I routinely see those windows and the front door through the front hall.

I haven't totally ruled out the G10, in fact for the price of the two LCDs I'm considering I could get the V10 with a few more picture controls. I'm not a fan of the scant picture controls on the panasonic plasmas, another reason for leaning toward the LG.

Sounds like the LG LH series or the Toshiba SV series would be good contenders for you to consider LCD wise. I would do some thread hopping hear for each model you are thinking about though there are pluses and minuses to that. The plus is that you will know about potential issues, the minus is that you will know about potential issues. Sometimes awareness is not a good thing as it can heighten sensitivity to something that might otherwise have been overlooked!
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Can anyone tell me if the LH90 has any auto-off or clock/timer functions? I have some rather careless roommates who are prone to leaving the television on.
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I'm 99% there. Stopped by BB today and compared again. The second salesman who has recently tried to steer me to the 6000 samsung. I wasn't buying it, I thought there reasons were a little half baked. When I pointed out the cnet review and comparisons to the sammy they didn't have much to say. Is this a model that will soon be replaced with something else and they're trying to clear inventory??

The LG just looked better, more natural a picture then the 6000 series sammy. I suspect to have it by weeks end.
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Is this a model that will soon be replaced with something else and they're trying to clear inventory??

No. These things have only been out & in stores for a couple of months. LG do have a number of upcoming models though:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/25/l...ess-lcd-hdtvs/

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/l...due-this-fall/

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I'm 99% there. Stopped by BB today and compared again. The second salesman who has recently tried to steer me to the 6000 samsung. I wasn't buying it, I thought there reasons were a little half baked. When I pointed out the cnet review and comparisons to the sammy they didn't have much to say.

The LG just looked better, more natural a picture then the 6000 series sammy. I suspect to have it by weeks end.

Here is one reason why the 6000 can look good, yet not natural:
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While playing with the new h.264 streaming features of the moxi hd, I found a source that really can highlight the halo effect.

if you have or rent a copy of the bbc production of planet earth at the very begining is a black screen with the bbc logo in white block at the bottom. I could start to see halo at about 10degrees to the side while in a dark room. This was also the most noticable I have seen it.

Otherwise I have added many more hours and have not noticed it. (most hours were near center of the tv where I typically watch from)

I would say if you commonly watch tv from an angle then you may want to consider waiting for a tv with 240 zones... or you could turn the local dimming off, however you would loose most of the contrast and black levels.

I mentioned the soucre material for anyone that is having a hard time seeing the halos also if you go into a store manytimes they have one of those BDs or DVDs floating around for you to try.

BTW if anyone is looking for a cable DVR and does not like the Tivo check out the moxi hd thread.
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or you could turn the local dimming off, however you would loose most of the contrast and black levels.

Care to volunteer, John? I've been waiting for someone to just turn it off and see how well it can then be calibrated. Surely it can't look that bad. There are a number of LED displays out there now without local dimming & they seem to have no problem with contrast or black levels. Obviously local dimming should, in theory, trounce not having local dimming, but there are quite a few variables involved. It would be great to fill one of the custom settings with adjustments specific to having local dimming disabled.

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No. These things have only been out & in stores for a couple of months. LG do have a number of upcoming models though:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/25/l...ess-lcd-hdtvs/

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/l...due-this-fall/

Thanks, but my question was more geared toward the Samsung's are the 6000 and 7000 being replaced soon with something else?
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Thanks, but my question was more geared toward the Samsung's are the 6000 and 7000 being replaced soon with something else?

More than likely no, they will probably be sold through the Christmas holiday season. You'll see their replacements at CES in January 10.
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Well, its in my living room. I thought I'd have it by weeks end.

I stopped by hhgreg on the way home. I had comparison shopped having hhgreg, bb, and sears all in the same block. bb was 1899, hhgreg 1999, and sears full price at 2199, although of course they would match. Watching television last night I saw a hhgreg commercial talking about coupons up to 300 bucks off. I checked on line this morning and it said not to be used with other discounts, so I firgured it wasn't good with the already 200 off. I went by and asked anyway, this weekend also being free back to school tax weekend. (found out tvs don't count). He said they'd honor the coupon with the 200 off as well. We talked about extended service agreements and I wasn't biting. Then he said he'd double the coupon if I'd get the extended service. So the TV was 1599. Of course then I bought it and brought it home.

Its replacing a 36" Sony HD trintron CRT which weights 250. I took me,a friend and a kid who works for him to get the old one in the garage. Then I hooked it up the new LG.

Not many impressions now. 47" seems huge in the room in width, although in depth I gained about 2 ft of space where the CRT was. My wife was like, its too BIG!!! I explained to her that in reality the 4:3 image is about the same size as the 4:3 image on the 36" Sony, the widescreen image is much bigger.

The only impressions I have now are limited. Great picture, although I have yet to make a single adjustment but to set it on standard, local dimming on, and smoother to low. i got it running and hooked up to cable box with component feeds. I have to call cable about an HD box with HDMI although I may just stay with the component feeds, they look beautiful. I forgot my upconverting DVD player was hooked to the Sony via hdmi/DVI and I didn't have a HDMI cable so I hooked the DVD player up via composite.

That's all I know now, it took me until 6 to get the living room put back together so I'm done fiddling for the night. I'm going to watch some TV!!

The only down side was I had a budget of 2000 for TV, stand, and pair of polk audio floorstand (TSi300s). I bought a Denon AVR-789 last year which is not hooked to the tv but across the room with a cd player and a set of old Bose stereo everywhere 4.2 bookshelf speakers. Eventual plan is to get a blu ray player that is a great dvd up converter(large DVD collection) with good 2.0 analog outs like a Denon 2010ci for music CDs and video. I'll probably never do surround sound, but would like everything integrated on one side of the room. I could kick myself for sending the Oppo BDP back. I bought it around april, but could never get rid of a ground loop problem with the CRT hooked up via hdmi/dvi. The upconverting DVD player (panasonic) never had that problem, so I figured it was the player and sent it back. It may be that, but I may go the Denon when it comes down (and it will).

Well thats it I can't believe I'm here typing when I could be watching the tube, (I mean TV, the tube is in the garage!!
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Well, its in my living room. I thought I'd have it by weeks end.

I stopped by hhgreg on the way home. I had comparison shopped having hhgreg, bb, and sears all in the same block. bb was 1899, hhgreg 1999, and sears full price at 2199, although of course they would match. Watching television last night I saw a hhgreg commercial talking about coupons up to 300 bucks off. I checked on line this morning and it said not to be used with other discounts, so I firgured it wasn't good with the already 200 off. I went by and asked anyway, this weekend also being free back to school tax weekend. (found out tvs don't count). He said they'd honor the coupon with the 200 off as well. We talked about extended service agreements and I wasn't biting. Then he said he'd double the coupon if I'd get the extended service. So the TV was 1599. Of course then I bought it and brought it home.

Its replacing a 36" Sony HD trintron CRT which weights 250. I took me,a friend and a kid who works for him to get the old one in the garage. Then I hooked it up the new LG.

Not many impressions now. 47" seems huge in the room in width, although in depth I gained about 2 ft of space where the CRT was. My wife was like, its too BIG!!! I explained to her that in reality the 4:3 image is about the same size as the 4:3 image on the 36" Sony, the widescreen image is much bigger.

The only impressions I have now are limited. Great picture, although I have yet to make a single adjustment but to set it on standard, local dimming on, and smoother to low. i got it running and hooked up to cable box with component feeds. I have to call cable about an HD box with HDMI although I may just stay with the component feeds, they look beautiful. I forgot my upconverting DVD player was hooked to the Sony via hdmi/DVI and I didn't have a HDMI cable so I hooked the DVD player up via composite.

That's all I know now, it took me until 6 to get the living room put back together so I'm done fiddling for the night. I'm going to watch some TV!!

The only down side was I had a budget of 2000 for TV, stand, and pair of polk audio floorstand (TSi300s). I bought a Denon AVR-789 last year which is not hooked to the tv but across the room with a cd player and a set of old Bose stereo everywhere 4.2 bookshelf speakers. Eventual plan is to get a blu ray player that is a great dvd up converter(large DVD collection) with good 2.0 analog outs like a Denon 2010ci for music CDs and video. I'll probably never do surround sound, but would like everything integrated on one side of the room. I could kick myself for sending the Oppo BDP back. I bought it around april, but could never get rid of a ground loop problem with the CRT hooked up via hdmi/dvi. The upconverting DVD player (panasonic) never had that problem, so I figured it was the player and sent it back. It may be that, but I may go the Denon when it comes down (and it will).

Well thats it I can't believe I'm here typing when I could be watching the tube, (I mean TV, the tube is in the garage!!

Congrats on your purchase Glangford, sounds like you stole it! Enjoy that rascal!

Mine is coming this weekend and I am soooo looking forward to getting it all hooked up.
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Congrats on your purchase Glangford, sounds like you stole it! Enjoy that rascal!

Mine is coming this weekend and I am soooo looking forward to getting it all hooked up.

Yea, thanks I feel like I did. I was actually thinking about settling for the Sam's club Sony or Samsung 120Hz unit for either 1399 or 1599, respectively. So glad I didn't settle, but it does push the polks out a bit, and I don't have room for the Bose bookshelves where the TV is, just polks. So moving the denon AVR will have to wait. The sound on the LG is not bad for a flat panel. The old sony trinitron HD CRT had its own built in towers and could really put out some sound. I think it was about 2x20 or 30 watts instead of the typical flat panel of 10.

I really wish I had the oppo now....
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Yea, thanks I feel like I did. I was actually thinking about settling for the Sam's club Sony or Samsung 120Hz unit for either 1399 or 1599, respectively. So glad I didn't settle, but it does push the polks out a bit, and I don't have room for the Bose bookshelves where the TV is, just polks. So moving the denon AVR will have to wait. The sound on the LG is not bad for a flat panel. The old sony trinitron HD CRT had its own built in towers and could really put out some sound. I think it was about 2x20 or 30 watts instead of the typical flat panel of 10.

I really wish I had the oppo now....

I have heard really good things about the oppo but I have never seen one. I have seen some more standard blu-rays by LG and Samsung. Both were very good, honestly I cannot imagine much better at 1080p, upconversion might be another subject all together.
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I have heard really good things about the oppo but I have never seen one. I have seen some more standard blu-rays by LG and Samsung. Both were very good, honestly I cannot imagine much better at 1080p, upconversion might be another subject all together.

I never had it long enough to really gauge for myself dvd up conversion. From what I've read in the Oppo forum, nothing beats it. It uses an anchor bay technologies video processing chip, which is at the top of its class. The new denon 2010ci also now uses an anchor bay chip. The denon and oppo use audiophile quality DACs for 2.0 out and good DACs for 7.1 analogs. The Oppo is listed 200 cheaper, but the denon can be had 100 below list. If the Denon drops as I expect it to, I'll get it, since I bought a denon AVR last year. Sometimes problems are simple hdmi handshaking and having a match may avoid some of that potential. If the denon doesn't drop, I'll get the oppo. It does load much faster than anything. The only thing that comes close at loading speed is the jvc. A fine player, can be had at hhgreg for 199. Good DVD upconversion as well. No high quality 2 channel out though. I actually tried one after I sent the Oppo back. Same ground loop problem, so I took it back. I wrote bluray off until I replace my tv thinking this is an inherent feature with bluray players hooked up to HD CRTs via HDMI/DVI, even though the manual say it works. A friend at work had the problem and I've received a pm from someone on the oppo thread with same problem. (scrolling wave across the screen at 1 hz. )
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I never had it long enough to really gauge for myself dvd up conversion. From what I've read in the Oppo forum, nothing beats it. It uses an anchor bay technologies video processing chip, which is at the top of its class. The new denon 2010ci also now uses an anchor bay chip. The denon and oppo use audiophile quality DACs for 2.0 out and good DACs for 7.1 analogs. The Oppo is listed 200 cheaper, but the denon can be had 100 below list. If the Denon drops as I expect it to, I'll get it, since I bought a denon AVR last year. Sometimes problems are simple hdmi handshaking and having a match may avoid some of that potential. If the denon doesn't drop, I'll get the oppo. It does load much faster than anything. The only thing that comes close at loading speed is the jvc. A fine player, can be had at hhgreg for 199. Good DVD upconversion as well. No high quality 2 channel out though. I actually tried one after I sent the Oppo back. Same ground loop problem, so I took it back. I wrote bluray off until I replace my tv thinking this is an inherent feature with bluray players hooked up to HD CRTs via HDMI/DVI, even though the manual say it works. A friend at work had the problem and I've received a pm from someone on the oppo thread with same problem. (scrolling wave across the screen at 1 hz. )

I have not had the pleasure of trying the LG390 but I have heard a good many comments about what a good player it is. It might be worth a look. I think there a good many players these days that are pretty compotent at playing HD blu-ray. As you would expect it seems that load times are all over the board as well as realiability to play all formats of discs, but I honestly have not heard anything bad yet about the LG. It of course cost a bit more but if it really is issue free then it might be worth it.

PS. Sorry for straying off topic here
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So I bought the 47LH90 earlier this week, got some new HDMI 1.3 from monoprice and although the picture is great, having some lip sync issues. It's not off terribly but enough to be annoying. I have it set up to my PS3 and the Comcast box.
Anyone else have this issue? any fix suggestions?

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how does this stack up to the Samsung b750? also in terms of the soap opera look...when that is fully engaged is there evidence of ghosting or hazing? please let me know...thank you
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So I bought the 47LH90 earlier this week, got some new HDMI 1.3 from monoprice and although the picture is great, having some lip sync issues. It's not off terribly but enough to be annoying. I have it set up to my PS3 and the Comcast box.
Anyone else have this issue? any fix suggestions?

Thanks in advance

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I bought a hdmi cable today to hook up an upconverting dvd player. No issues. As far as the cable box is concerned I have it hooked up with component feeds. No issues. I haven't tried hdmi yet with the cable box. Picture is fine, I may just leave it with component feeds.
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I will Call LG later today and see what they say. I like watching movies on the PS3 kinda looks wack right now, also It doesn't tell you if the 24fps is actually on, where my old Sony LCD did. As far as the Soap Opera look, not a fan of that feature as I like watching movies mostly.
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