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post #1 of 21 Old 12-03-2009, 04:26 PM - Thread Starter
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Do any of you get any Blurring/Smudging/Trailing as seen in these videos? Please let me know so I can either return it or keep it because I do like the PQ. This did not happen on my cheap Vizio TV I've used for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yr67Ndh66Y

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lF1Jz0o_7g
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that one that says it was the same was actually me so I could see the results.
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Anyone notice this text blurriness in their TV? What I did was shoot a macro shot down to the pixels of my LCD to show the fuzziness I get with some colors on others. The color seems to bleed out into surrounding pixels (the text is the same font, size, non italic etc.) Red by far the biggest offender. What I did too was create a JPG and displayed it straight from a USB drive to eliminate any possibility that it was a computer setting and it was still the same.
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Can you post that JPEG file so I can use it as well to test it out? Thanks.
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thats a typical cheap poor pixel response LCD, if yours does this i would return it because samsung is giving people the shaft by using sub par displays from a sub par manufacture at random, you got unlucky and received one of these sets, not all of them will do this just the ones with the crappy panels

If you're a gamer or interested in using an LCD TV as a primary monitor take a look at my thread on Input Lag
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Hmmm Thanks for all the input guys, I am trying to figure out a place where I can host the whole picture because it is 1080p and flickr shrinks it down to 1024 hmmmm any suggestions?
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yes my B640 does that and on that pic you posted the reds are hard to see like it showing double.

ok i decided im bring mine back any one know of any good pc/gaming tvs around the $1000 -1500mark?

hows the sony and are the LGs any good?
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Yes I would very much like to know too. FYI I have seen Sony owners complain of similar smearing as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGuQ-Uq-TOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq_5lIvJPME

As for LG's I think it may be harder to find out because less people buy them, and even less people use them for what we use them for.
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do all 120hz sets do this or some thing?
is it so hard to ask for a tv that
A. has good blacks
B. no trails behind it, i mean this is a 4ms set yet it hard to use it unless i take off my glasses then im just to blind to see the ghosting lol
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haha yea I hear you it was so hard to decide what TV to buy mainly because there doesn't seem to be the "perfect" set out there. LCD's have inherent problems still and I could never use a plasma because I use it to game and as a computer screen mostly and it would burn in. I don't think it has anything to do with the hz because I turn that off most of the time, I think it has something to do with companies chasing blacker blacks they somehow worsen the smearing effect.
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The test proved similarly

Model: 55" B650 CMO panel (I think we have different pixel geometries)
http://img138.imageshack.us/g/img0609.jpg/
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Thanks, after realizing others have similar issues I am content with just keeping my screen rather than swap out for another one and waste my time/energy/shipping etc. I have been able to alleviate the smearing by changing my picture settings around. I find that a difference in the brightness setting, at least in game mode, from a 45 to about 55 improves the smearing quite a bit. Basically this turns the blacks into more of a very dark gray. I know its not a true fix but its a work around I can live with. The PQ is very good on this screen and I have a suspicious feeling that if its not this problem it will be another with another manufacturer. I also feel that because the room I use this in is dark I like to keep the screen darker, so those that have brighter rooms probably have the brightness up already which is why they don't see the smearing as much.
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I love my Samsung B650.

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I love my Samsung B650.

Good for you.
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Here's my smear test: (Sorry for the poor quality)

Yea my smear test ran about the same as yours, pretty minimal smearing, at these settings:

Game Mode: On
Mode: Standard
Backlight: 2
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 55
Sharpness: 0
Color: 53
Tint G/R: 48/52

Advanced Settings:
Dynamic C: Off
Game: 0
Color space: Auto
White Balance: default
Flesh tone: 0
Edge Enhance: off
xvYCC: grayed out off

Picture options:
Color Tone: Normal
Size: Screen Fit
Digital NR: Off
HDMI Black level: Normal
Film Mode: (Grayed out) Off
Blure Only: Off
AMP 120hz: (Grayed out) Off
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Does anyone know what that text fuzziness is called in display terms so I can explain it better when I call Samsung? Its weird because it only happens when certain colors are displayed on certain colors.
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Does anyone know what that text fuzziness is called in display terms so I can explain it better when I call Samsung? Its weird because it only happens when certain colors are displayed on certain colors.

Anyone?
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I notice problems with motion with my direct hr21 over hdmi. Using componet problem goes away. a750 has no problem so its the 650 on hdmi.
For now i am using componet. Also these pannels need about 100 hrs or so of breakin. mine was terrible with gosting and trails at first. I could not have lived with it. super glad it got better with running awhile.

Try changing inputs see if that helps or completly elimates the problem.
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Does anyone know what that text fuzziness is called in display terms so I can explain it better when I call Samsung? Its weird because it only happens when certain colors are displayed on certain colors.

I found out how to correct the blurring of the red text! I had my computer connected using a DVI to HDMI cable that was connected to the HDMI2 port on my TV. After changing the port to the first HDMI port then changing the name of the connection on my TV to "DIV PC" this corrected the blurring. I'm not really sure what this does I can only imagine that it removes some sort of filtering/processing. So far I've only noticed the reduction in the blurry red text, but now I lose some picture adjustments I used to have, and I can't use 120hz for my videos I play from my PC, and I can't turn on game mode anymore... I just can't win.
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I havn't seen such behavior on my set. I have ln40b650 firmware 1013. i'm mainly using it for XBoX360 (playing MW2 latelly) and streaming 720p mkv via DLNA from my PC (using the samsung software).

I'll test the video provided above to see if there is any smearing that I didn't notice.
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