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post #361 of 2400 Old 02-11-2010, 10:18 AM
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It's the 60EX700. I'm going to be taking pictures from opening the box to fully installed (maybe not wall mounted right away).

I'm hooking up a PS3 to it via HDMI1.3. I'll post feedback and pics once it's all set up.

I talked to the Sony rep and he said about 7-14 days from when the card is charged.

How were you able to pull this off? I asked about replacing the 55EX500 with the 52EX700 (I'm replacing 50XBR1) and was told no numerous times. I even called customer relations and they said no. Left a message for Customer Relations Mgr. and never received a call back. Can you let me know the steps you took to upgrade? I just get a line of bs saying "that tv is not an option".
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How were you able to pull this off? I asked about replacing the 55EX500 with the 52EX700 (I'm replacing 50XBR1) and was told no numerous times. I even called customer relations and they said no. Left a message for Customer Relations Mgr. and never received a call back. Can you let me know the steps you took to upgrade? I just get a line of bs saying "that tv is not an option".

Frankly I don't think I did anything special. The 60EX500 was the replacement model they offered me for my 60WF655. I hung up the phone, started looking at the TV online and noticed that it wasn't LED, and that the next model up 60EX700 was LED. So I called back, and simply asked if it was possible to get an offer on the 60EX700 instead. My reasoning was that since I'm paying to replace the set I currently own, I wouldn't mind spending a little more if it meant I could stay in the direction that TV technology seems to be heading (towards LED). I was put on hold, and a few minutes later he came back with an offer for it.

The tone of the conversation wasn't me asking for it because I deserved it, it was more of a "can you help me" tone. "Can you help me get an offer on this TV, I'm not sure if you can, but if it's at all possible, I'd greatly appreciate it." That type of thing.

If he came back and said no, I would've been happy with the 60EX500, I really wasn't expecting a yes, I just thought what's the harm in asking if it's possible, and the rest is history.

Maybe I just got lucky?
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Frankly I don't think I did anything special. The 60EX500 was the replacement model they offered me for my 60WF655. I hung up the phone, started looking at the TV online and noticed that it wasn't LED, and that the next model up 60EX700 was LED. So I called back, and simply asked if it was possible to get an offer on the 60EX700 instead. My reasoning was that since I'm paying to replace the set I currently own, I wouldn't mind spending a little more if it meant I could stay in the direction that TV technology seems to be heading (towards LED). I was put on hold, and a few minutes later he came back with an offer for it.

The tone of the conversation wasn't me asking for it because I deserved it, it was more of a "can you help me" tone. "Can you help me get an offer on this TV, I'm not sure if you can, but if it's at all possible, I'd greatly appreciate it." That type of thing.

If he came back and said no, I would've been happy with the 60EX500, I really wasn't expecting a yes, I just thought what's the harm in asking if it's possible, and the rest is history.

Maybe I just got lucky?

Was this with Sony Canada or Sony US?
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I have been looking into buying a 32" LCD HDTV. I want full 1080P HD and have a question regarding 60hz vs. 120 HZ.

I have read that for sporting events, 120 HZ is better. The above model is 60 HZ but has "Motionflow™ Technology : 120Hz ", which I assume makes it act somewhat like an 120HZ TV.

Does anyone have any opinions or experience with "Motionflow™ Technology : 120Hz "?

Thanks.
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Was this with Sony Canada or Sony US?

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All 120/240 hz TVs take the signal and convert it to 120 HZ or 240 hz - depending on the TV. motionflow is sony's name for their processing.

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All 120/240 hz TVs take the signal and convert it to 120 HZ or 240 hz - depending on the TV. motionflow is sony's name for their processing.

But the LCD I am looking at is a 60HZ model with motionflow 120.

Isn't there a problem with LCDs that are 60HZ when watching sports? I am wondering/asking if Sony's motionflow processing overcomes that issue.

I hope I am explaining myself clearly.

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Virtually every day members falsely interpret the Hz and Motionflow.

Yes, 120/240Hz can assist in alleviating motion issues with sports and if it's working truly you shouldn't notice it's impact if you understand what that means - If it's working to prevent then you should not observe any artifacts and you' dhave to have a side-by-side comparison to judge that. Broadcast in N. America will always be 60Hz.

Then we get to "Motionflow" which can be adjusted or turned off! Especially since Motionflow is never truly needed if your using a Blu-Ray player feeding true 1080/24P as the BD is going to send it naturally and needs Zero assistance from Motionflow Features since the panels getting the best there is via it's Blu-Ray passthrough.

However, you can test Motionflow and use it according to your own preference - used on a BD movie and it can give that fake Soap Opera look that's interesting and differnet but I don't care for it. Some like the effect on Animation. Motionflow is adjustable and can be toned down or OFF.

My Z5100 is 240Hz and I don't like the Soap Opera look and I honestly can't say whether it truly prevents motion with sports since I view all sports on my 57" 60Hz LCD as I can't tolerate dropping down to a 40" TV when I watch movies on the Big TV as the weenie 40" can't make up for the HT immersion and I'd choose that every time over 240Hz for my main viewing - the wife gets to watch her stuff on that panel. I would never give up my size panel for 120/240Hz but will jump to a larger with 240Hz in the next 6 months.

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But the LCD I am looking at is a 60HZ model with motionflow 120.

Isn't there a problem with LCDs that are 60HZ when watching sports? I am wondering/asking if Sony's motionflow processing overcomes that issue.

I hope I am explaining myself clearly.

Thanks.

Took a quick look at Sony's site and the 32EX500 is a 120Hz set, not 60Hz. Unless you are super-sensitive to blur, the EX will be fine.

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Here's an article with specs, pictures and prices on the new 15 Bravia 2010 ranges from Sony.

Sony 2010 Bravia line-up
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Here's an article with specs, pictures and prices on the new 15 Bravia 2010 ranges from Sony.

Sony 2010 Bravia line-up


Great article, thanks for sharing
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60 inch EX700 has MSRP 3200 euro in that article. Its MSRP in the USA is $3000. Wonder if the rest of Sony lineup is going to be cheaper in the US
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Here's an article with specs, pictures and prices on the new 15 Bravia 2010 ranges from Sony.

Sony 2010 Bravia line-up

Are the European models completely different than the US ones?

The EX500 series on this side is listed as a Bravia Engine 3 TV while the US Sony Style site list it as a Bravia Engine 2. Also, are TV's 100 and 200 Hz in Europe instead of 120 and 240 like in the US or that another error on that site?
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In Europe it's 50, 100 and 200 HZ - in the USA it's 60, 120 and 240.

This article also has a link on new Sharp TVs, and here's a quote from that article:
"Sharp's new Sakai plant is the cornerstone in the production of 60-inch and 68-inch panels.
The Sakai plant will also supply the new Quad Pixel panels to Philips and Sony later in 2010. Sharp's models are, however, the first ones to utilize the new quad pixel structure."
So I wonder if any new Sony is going to have the Quad Pixel panel - maybe NX800?

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1264434667
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looks like they are all available for sale! I am incredibly tempted to buy the KDL-60NX800 right now, but I can't bring myself to buy something without seeing it in the store first.

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looks like they are all available for sale! I am incredibly tempted to buy the KDL-60NX800 right now, but I can't bring myself to buy something without seeing it in the store first.

Not yet. No HX or LX until summer.
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No kidding, I meant the ones on the sony site that have been up for preorder for the last month. Thanks, though.

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The TV has arrived! So much sooner than I expected. There's a lot of settings to be adjusted to make the picture perfect but right out of the box it looks pretty sweet!
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Congrats. Looks like a sweet set.
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Not to rain on the LED parade :-P, but from looking at Sony's website to check dimensions, was surprised to see that their LED backlit LCDs are 2.6 inch deep? I guess they didn't get a seat on the thin bandwagon?
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In Europe it's 50, 100 and 200 HZ - in the USA it's 60, 120 and 240.

This article also has a link on new Sharp TVs, and here's a quote from that article:
"Sharp's new Sakai plant is the cornerstone in the production of 60-inch and 68-inch panels.
The Sakai plant will also supply the new Quad Pixel panels to Philips and Sony later in 2010. Sharp's models are, however, the first ones to utilize the new quad pixel structure."
So I wonder if any new Sony is going to have the Quad Pixel panel - maybe NX800?

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1264434667

Because Sony has a 39% partnership in Saiki and getting glass has nothing to do necessarily with them getting Quad Pixel. The panels will be UV2A but it doesn't mean Sony gets patented Quad Pixel technology as part of the pkg just as Sharp doesn't get BE3 in the partnership. Samsung/Sony have had hundreds of patent sharing agreements but certain ones are withheld like Bravia Engine VP.

Not saying your wrong but there has never been mention of Sony getting Quad Pixel patents which belong to Sharp - only the glass substrate which is UV2A. They both have independent video processing independent of one another. The improvement should come from the UV2A and the fact Sony will have a larger panel at 60".

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I'm planning on getting a 22 or 23" lcd/ lcd led for my trailer. I just spent an hour scouring all the electronics distributors reviews and prices as well as a long thread on avs forum. I don't know what to do so maybe I'll describe what I think I know and some guru of tv's can tell me what he recommends.

Sony has a 22" KDL-22BX300 which can be preordered and mailed in a month on sonystyle apparently sony has good sound which is as important as contrast on small tv's.

Then there is an american company called vizio. They have a older model 22" which apparently has less glare and is 720p which is much better for sd (cable?) tv$260 at target.

There is this brand new 23" razor which apparently is magic except it's no good with sd(unless you're magic with settings) and has a glass screen so it has alot of glare. 12v standard+inverter,usb port for limited dvr, 1080p, 55w $320.

Any input would be appreciated as I am really torn by the three choices.
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Any input would be appreciated as I am really torn by the three choices.

I personally wouldn't buy either of the Vizios. The CCFL model looks pretty bad in the store, even by small CCFL LCD standards. The LED model looks a lot better. But that one is getting poor customer reviews, and the glare is awful. I think sound is also said to be terrible on the Vizios, but I haven't heard them myself.
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The TV has arrived! So much sooner than I expected. There's a lot of settings to be adjusted to make the picture perfect but right out of the box it looks pretty sweet!

pictures ASAP please! congrats on the new set!

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The TV has arrived! So much sooner than I expected. There's a lot of settings to be adjusted to make the picture perfect but right out of the box it looks pretty sweet!

congrats, but please some pics!! thx
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...surprised to see that their LED backlit LCDs are 2.6 inch deep? I guess they didn't get a seat on the thin bandwagon?

Good for them. Ultra-thin is a stupid fad. You need room for components and for heat to escape (as efficient as LED is, a 60 inch still uses over 200 watts).

Actually, if you examine the pictures you see that the edges are thin, and they taper out towards the middle. So they still look thin unless you look at them directly from the side.
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Good for them. Ultra-thin is a stupid fad. You need room for components and for heat to escape (as efficient as LED is, a 60 inch still uses over 200 watts).

Actually, if you examine the pictures you see that the edges are thin, and they taper out towards the middle. So they still look thin unless you look at them directly from the side.

I agree picture quality is all I care about. Rather they get that right than worry about the form factor.
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Just went in to P.C. Richard & Son here in New York and bought the Sony KDL-32EX700. I got a really great price of $ 833. They hope to get in within the next week or two. I am really looking forward to this HDTV.
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Because Sony has a 39% partnership in Saiki and getting glass has nothing to do necessarily with them getting Quad Pixel. The panels will be UV2A but it doesn't mean Sony gets patented Quad Pixel technology as part of the pkg just as Sharp doesn't get BE3 in the partnership. Samsung/Sony have had hundreds of patent sharing agreements but certain ones are withheld like Bravia Engine VP.

Not saying your wrong but there has never been mention of Sony getting Quad Pixel patents which belong to Sharp - only the glass substrate which is UV2A. They both have independent video processing independent of one another. The improvement should come from the UV2A and the fact Sony will have a larger panel at 60".

Well, the article specifically states that both Sony and Philips will be getting the Quad Pixels panels later this year - I hope it's true
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Does anyone know if Deep Black Panel and Opticontrast Panel are the newest panels from S-LCD, but with Sony names attached to them?

The contrast ratios for these new displays aren't being listed. I'm just curious as to what the step up in black level performance might be.

AUOs AMVA 5 is slated to be introduced in the 2nd half of this year, so that may not make it into a Sony set. My V5100 has the AMVA 3 panel which is really amazing in terms of black level, so I was hoping for the upgrade- maybe in 2011.

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