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post #451 of 2400 Old 02-17-2010, 03:24 AM
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I want to pull the trigger on either the kdl-60ex700 or the kdl-60nx800 but I there isn't a Sony store to make the comparison. Anyone here believe that the NX is worth the extra $$$ that has seen both side by side??

This is pretty much my decision too. Waiting to see these at either a nearby sony style store or best buy. Wondering if the uv2a panel is used in either the ex and/or the nx 60" panel? I did see the step down ccfl lit 55" ex501 at costco and that screen i would describe as semi-matte. Not as reflective as the sammy plasma on one side of it but a little glossier than the vizio lcd on the other side. Comes with a swivel stand. I saw these before the store opened and turned off so I have no input as far as picture quality goes.......sorry! Don't know if the same screens are used in both the ex 500/700 series. That costco model does not use a uv2a panel as far as i know.

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Is there any way to tell if the ex700 uses the UV2A panel without taking the TV apart?

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The pixel structure is different...there have been a few up close photos posted in other threads.
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I'm at the cusp of placing an order for the Sony 46EX500. As such, I'm wondering what my risks are for being basically the first one to buy such a brand spanking new model?

I fully understand that this is essentially a relabeling of sorts of their 46V5100 line, so they must have retained much and added a few items. In this sense, the risks are more limited. Additionally, this is hardly a new area for Sony and it falls squarely in the middle of their line up of LCD tv's, neither the absolute bottom end nor the upper end - I guess they call this the "value series".

I'm ready to place the order today and have the delivery possibly tomorrow. A bit concerned about possible risks of being the "first".

Thanks in advance for your anticipated advice.
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The pixel structure is different...there have been a few up close photos posted in other threads.

I believe this is the pic. Hey CIVIC, would you mind taking an up close pic of your TV and seeing if the pixel structure is similar to this:

Up close pixel structure picture of the UV2A panel used in Sharp's new LX series (japan only for now):


If I am mistaken please correct me and put up a better pic of the pixel structure

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Newbie here, I haven't seen anything on this model yet:

Sony Bravia 46" 1080p 240Hz LCD HDTV "KDL46HX701",

which is on sale at FutureShop.ca
Anyone have more details?
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..."KDL46HX701",...which is on sale at FutureShop.ca
Anyone have more details?

I wondered about that too. It's either an accidental leak of a future model or a misprint.
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Does anyone know what kind of motion resolution is to be expected from the 120Hz KDLXXEX500?

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I wondered about that too. It's either an accidental leak of a future model or a misprint.

Same here!
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KDL46HX701

Basically a Z5100 replacement using the styling of the XBR10. Standard CCFL, 240Hz, big difference is what is claimed as a "Deep Black" panel and wifi ready. I have personally seen this set up in the Sony Style Store that I work at next to a 46VL160 and 52V5100. The 46HX701 has a substantially better picture quality than both of those sets. However, we do not professionally calibrate these TV's and simply put them on the wall with factory vivid settings so its definitely possible that after calibration there wouldn't be as big of a difference.

I have no idea if the HX701 is a 10 or 8 bit panel and I am not sure the actual contrast ratio as these specs have not been released for any of the 2010 Sony line-up.
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Do you know if they make it in 52"? Future shop seems to only sell it in 40" and 46".
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Actually the HX701 is availiable in 40" 46" and 55"
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Thank you all for the replys,

Thats not a bad price for the 55" HX701,

I was actually looking at the Z5100 before, so now I might wait for this one to hit the stores, looks like its exactly what I'm looking for.
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I found out this morning that all of the panels released so far for Sony's 2010 line-up are 8 bit. There is no word yet if the 3D ready panels coming this summer will be 10 bit.
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I found out this morning that all of the panels released so far for Sony's 2010 line-up are 8 bit. There is no word yet if the 3D ready panels coming this summer will be 10 bit.

I would assume then that this would rule out the possibility that any of the models currently being released having the UV2A panel. I believe I read on a previous post with a link to a Japanese "TechOn" article that only the models with the OptiContrast panels (LX900 and HX900) will have the UV2A panels, which are supposedly 10 bit.
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I would stay right away from the HX701 models....they are absolutely garbage. I have no idea why Sony put the monolithic design over the lcd screen. It gives you double images from the side view and major reflection. Just buy a damn plasma for half the price....

I work at future shop, i set the 40" and 46" up the other day. The EX500 was decent, not sure if I am a fan of the silve frame at the bottom.
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I would stay right away from the HX701 models....they are absolutely garbage. I have no idea why Sony put the monolithic design over the lcd screen. It gives you double images from the side view and major reflection. Just buy a damn plasma for half the price....

I work at future shop, i set the 40" and 46" up the other day. The EX500 was decent, not sure if I am a fan of the silve frame at the bottom.

I would recommend anyone interested in the HX701 to go see it for yourself rather than make your decision based on this comment. The TV is definitely more reflective that previous models, but I would not say it comes close to making the TV absolute garbage. The Sony Style store I work at has fluorescent lighting right above the TV and I am unable to see the double images that joyn6160 talks about.
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Why Sony is not adding on their website (like until now) what the contrast is, color range and panel type - 8 or 10 bits?
This might give a better idea to peoples what to buy or how to choose. Hiding these settings is not a good idea.
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I would stay right away from the HX701 models....they are absolutely garbage....I work at future shop, i set the 40" and 46" up the other day...

This is getting wierder and weirder. Future Shop Canada has dropped mention of this series after listing it briefly. And Sony.ca has no mention of it atall.
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Why Sony is not adding on their website (like until now) what the contrast is, color range and panel type - 8 or 10 bits?
This might give a better idea to peoples what to buy or how to choose. Hiding these settings is not a good idea.

I completely agree. Imagine my job selling these TVs and having to state mega or high contrast ratios. It's a bit ridiculous.

Maybe they are waiting for other manufacturers to release their specs on CR?
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This is getting wierder and weirder. Future Shop Canada has dropped mention of this series after listing it briefly. And Sony.ca has no mention of it atall.

what are you talking about? Its for sale on their website and its on demo in our store!

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...c6525d6d92en02

regardless, the monolithic designs on the Sony tvs are just awful and make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Try selling this tv to a customer when they ask whats the difference between lcd and plasma lol

"LCDs have very little reflection compared to a plasma"
"What about this Sony, its an lcd and its got the same reflection as that plasma...."
"ughhhhhhh"
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what are you talking about? Its for sale on their website and its on demo in our store!

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...c6525d6d92en02

regardless, the monolithic designs on the Sony tvs are just awful and make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Try selling this tv to a customer when they ask whats the difference between lcd and plasma lol

"LCDs have very little reflection compared to a plasma"
"What about this Sony, its an lcd and its got the same reflection as that plasma...."
"ughhhhhhh"

Samsung's LCDs are always more reflective than with a matt screen also, however they produce deeper blacks and the colors really pop which is something Sony was probably aiming for as well.
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Samsung's LCDs are always more reflective than with a matt screen also, however they produce deeper blacks and the colors really pop which is something Sony was probably aiming for as well.


completely agree, the Samsung glossy screen however is much less reflective than a glass screen. Not to mention the glass provides double images from sharp angles....where as a gloss doesnt

my point is, how does sony compete with a tv like this, when I can take a custy over to a panasonic plasma, which has 10 times the quality and the exact same reflection that the HX701 has....

or i would go to a samsung if they actually wanted an lcd, but if light wasnt an issue, why would anyone consider the monolithic designs...


someone fill me in as to the advantage to a monolithic design
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Samsung glossy screen however is much less reflective than a glass screen.

The glossy screens that I've seen appear more reflective than plasmas with AR filters. And I know CNET compared the Samsung 8000 to a Pioneer and a V10 and said that the Samsung LCD was more reflective than either of the plasmas.

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Not to mention the glass provides double images from sharp angles....where as a gloss doesnt

That is an issue with TVs using two sheets of glass, not a single layer of glass. And extreme off-angle viewing is terrible with LCDs anyway.
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The "monolithic" design is the same as the LG "Boardless" design which makes the TV more beautiful when it is not on .

Sony is dead.
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The "monolithic" design is the same as the LG "Boardless" design which makes the TV more beautiful when it is not on .

I really like the new monolithic design that Sony has this year.
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The "monolithic" design is the same as the LG "Boardless" design which makes the TV more beautiful when it is not on .

ok well you go spend $2000 on a tv that looks good when its not turned on lol\\

the monolithic design by Sony is an ultimate fail
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...Its for sale on their website and its on demo in our store!

Sorry. I was looking for the 55 incher, didn't look in the 40-49 spot. Still strange it's not listed by Sony.
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Why Sony is not adding on their website (like until now) what the contrast is, color range and panel type - 8 or 10 bits?
This might give a better idea to peoples what to buy or how to choose. Hiding these settings is not a good idea.

which leads me to believe perhaps the specs of these new TVs aren't very impressive (compared to the competitors), that's why they didn't list them in the first place.
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I can't find those specs of SAMSUNG TVs either. SONY is not the only company that doesn't list those specs.

Sony is dead.
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