Originally Posted by Guinea
The 32" XBR9 is 8-bit. Only the 40" and up are 10-bit I believe.
Yes, I already know that, which is why I said, "...so I guess it's not the same as comaring the 32XBR9 and 32EX500", meaning those two are 8 bit vs 10.
Originally Posted by frito
The uniformity problems you have seen with Samsung and Sony TV's of the past few years is not due to the back lighting of the display, it is due to the VA panel type used in the display and when the sheet has its thickness vary by the slightest amount it results in a lighter level of black because the LC's cannot close fully, the frame of the TV often can be assembled too tightly resulting in flashlights in the corners of the TV with a black image.
Actually that's not the type of unevenness I spotted on the Samsung 32 inch. I could clearly see scallops of light where the LEDs were placed when the screen went to all black. The XBR9 I compared it to at the time didn't have quite as deep blacks, but deeper than any non LED lit TV, just as mentioned in what I've read. It's lighting was also noticeably more uniform.
Originally Posted by frito
I'm not sure what Sony model you have that has low input lag but all of the 2008/2009 Sony's have had some of the worst
input lag i've seen of any TV when in game mode and its due to the use of the S-PVA and VA panel type in general because in order for them to function satisfactory to the end user when it comes to motion blur they must use Response Time Compensation to lower their pixel response time and this is the primary cause for excessive input lag on LCD displays of any sort. game mode's always disable video processing delays but rarely do they allow game mode to reduce or remove RTC because it will dramatically hurt pixel response time of VA panels and cause easily visible smearing of images on the screen. Toshiba models that use Samsung VA panels like the xv645u series has a game mode that does reduce or remove some of the aggressiveness of the RTC on the panel and having briefly owned a 40xv645u and can tell you it had better input lag than current sony and samsung 09 models but it still did not match Panasonic/LG IPS TV's and it had terrible smearing problems with dark images and the same thing has been reported on some Samsung B650 models even though they still had bad input lag.
Actually I currently have an old Samsung CRT HDTV. I have heard Sonys of the past have had high input lag, but many say the recent models are among the lowest. I referred to your thread on input lag, but you didn't test any XBR9s that I can see. So at this point I don't know what to believe. I'm reluctant to go by tests done on XBR6s where XBR9s and EX500s/700s are concerned. If anyone in that thread were testing Sony XBR9s up through current models, it would be easier to ascertain what amount of lag they have.
I HAVE heard though that Panasonics and Toshibas have very low input lag. Both seem to lack one or more of the criteria I'm looking for though. Besides having low lag and good colors, I'd like it to have 120Hz motion processing, in a 32" size btw. There seems to be some inconsistencies with what you say in quotes above vs what you say in your input lag thread though. For instance you say here the Samsung 650 model has high input lag, yet on that thread you say it's one of the lowest. I know with even an IPS type display were I to go with a monitor vs TV they can go as low as one frame of lag. Panasonic is the only one matching that in a TV, but I'd have to go 37" to get their 120Hz motion processing.
Between the two 32" 1080Ps from Panasonic and Toshiba though, which do you think would have the least ghosting on fast action content like sports and action movies? I'm impressed with Panasonic's latest gen motion processing, but that doesn't mean their sets without it are going to perform any better than other brands speed wise. I've yet to see Toshiba's models. They have what's called Cinespeed in their non 120Hz 32", but from what I've read it only means response time is 8ms or less, which isn't saying much. I've put Sony at the top of the list based on color accuracy, but if the lag is high as you say even on the latest models, I'll reconsider. I've really seen no concrete evidence of that yet though and many say they are much lower on lag than they used to be. Panasonic has the 2nd best color to Sony IMO, so Toshiba would be a 3rd resort, and Samsung, unless it's one of their faster models is out of the question.