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post #721 of 2400 Old 03-08-2010, 05:08 PM
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Thread is so unorganized. Any chance the original poster can edit the first post with all the information/spec/feature with picture.

There's too many model and browsing the first 3 page did not help make anything clear.
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Yep,I always say that I have to do it but I always forget it in the end!!I ll update it soon with all the series info
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The one on the left is a XR1 (=XBR8)

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/img/av...4/sony2_40.jpg

Sony is dead.
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I'm really looking forward to Sony's flagship back-lit LED. I'm certain it holds better PQ (let alone better build quality), and probably a cheaper price than the C9000.

Why do you think the Sony flagship will have better PQ than the Samsung?

Samsung's flagship 8500 beat everything in 2009. Sony could not touch it. All the professional reviews agree.

Why would this year be any different?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, or anti-Sony. I'm just being honest and blunt. I really want to know what makes you think this time will be different? Maybe I will give Sony another chance if they have something really impressive.

One day at a time...
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B8500 is a LCD TV with Direct LED backlight and Local Dimming.

C9000 is a LCD TV with Edge-lit LED backlight only (No Local Dimming). I think the C8000 will have the best PQ among 2010 Samsung LCD TVs ( C8000 is a LCD TV with Edge-lit LED backlight and Local Dimming).

Sony didn't announce any TV with Direct LED backlight and Local Dimming in 2009 , that's why B8500 was the best LCD TV in 2009. (In 2008 Samsung announced A950 and Sony announced XBR8 and as far as I know,all reviews agreed that XBR8 was better )

This year, Sony has HX900 which is a LCD TV with Direct LED backlight and Local Dimming. I think it is reasonable to think that HX900 would have better PQ than the Samsung sets.

Sony is dead.
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i am so glad that the prices are reasonable...good job sony...look forward to seeing the HX900 in person
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I just saw the last post after seeing this web pages with these prices.....i'm glad that JR has the HX900 cheaper than what this link has it for........but per the link i think these are the prices in japan

http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/09...in-june-video/
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MSRP for the XBR-60LX900 is $4199. The link I posted as a source is apparently not allowed by the forum either. My apologies.
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J&R has a new model number available for pre-order: the HX909, in 46" and 52" versions. Does anyone know how this might be different than the regular HX900? (If the prices are the same, then I wonder if it's a difference in color or something like that.)
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Just to clarify, back when Bravia model numbers had a single letter followed by four numbers, the third number indicated color. But now that they have two letters (indicating the series) followed by three numbers, I'm not sure what to make of variations in the third number.
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Samsung's flagship 8500 beat everything in 2009. Sony could not touch it. All the professional reviews agree.

Why would this year be any different?

Because you are forgetting about LG. The xxLH90 was as good if not better than the UNxxB8500. LG was much cheaper too.
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Well there are also people claim that XBR8 "was as good if not better than the UNxxB8500".

But not the "professional reviews".

Sony is dead.
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Well there are also people claim that XBR8 "was as good if not better than the UNxxB8500".

But not the "professional reviews".

I've seen a few magazine reviews.....I believe Home Theater being one of them that had the XBR8 as a product of the year.

The XBR8 and 8500 are both supberb sets. Too bad they are not still being made.
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J&R has a new model number available for pre-order: the HX909, in 46" and 52" versions. Does anyone know how this might be different than the regular HX900? (If the prices are the same, then I wonder if it's a difference in color or something like that.)

I just googled this.......HX909 has same features but adds RS232 control.....
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Has Sony moved up there release date for the HX800 series? I was under the assumption it was sometime this summer. The reason i ask is that the KDL-55hx800 is already up for pre-order at B&H Photo and the Home Theater Store for the same attractive low price. The Home Theater Store even has dimension specs on the set itself. An earlier release date would be cool because waiting for all these new models is gettin to be a drag.
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B8500 is a LCD TV with Direct LED backlight and Local Dimming.

C9000 is a LCD TV with Edge-lit LED backlight only (No Local Dimming). I think the C8000 will have the best PQ among 2010 Samsung LCD TVs ( C8000 is a LCD TV with Edge-lit LED backlight and Local Dimming).

I believe much like the C8000 the C9000 will have Pinpoint Dimming which includes thousands of microshutters that controls dimming much more precisely or so one would think.

Unfortunately no one has actually observed and tested this new Pinpoint Dimming as to it's effectiveness versus Local Dimming and so I think we'll have to await testing and reviews to determine whether it's marketing hype or = or surpasses Local Dimming or sucks - I'm thinking it's going to work like an IRIS does with an SXRD or Qualia in theory. Both the Sony and Samsung should be excellent panels but the C9000 price factor seems rather outrageous at this point.

Samsung 65F8000, 60D8000, 40HU6350, Panasonic 50E60 LCD's
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your right but that was an 08 model. Sony had no local dimming 2009

They had no *new* local dimming model in 2009 but still officially sold the XBR8.
So, technically, this model had to compete with the 2009 models.

bye
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I believe much like the C8000 the C9000 will have Pinpoint Dimming which includes thousands of microshutters that controls dimming much more precisely or so one would think.

Unfortunately no one has actually observed and tested this new Pinpoint Dimming as to it's effectiveness versus Local Dimming and so I think we'll have to await testing and reviews to determine whether it's marketing hype or = or surpasses Local Dimming or sucks - I'm thinking it's going to work like an IRIS does with an SXRD or Qualia in theory. Both the Sony and Samsung should be excellent panels but the C9000 price factor seems rather outrageous at this point.

I didn't know that the "Pinpoint Dimming" system was different from the current "Local Dimming" system.

I thought that was just a different name (like the "LED TV")

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http://www.phileweb.com/news/d-av/201003/09/25478.html

According to this Japanese website , the number of LED modules in a HX900 will be the same as in a XBR8...not sure about the "Dimming Zones"

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http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=ja&tl=en

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A new review of the NX800, for those interested:

http://alatest.com/apps/reviews/2557...3-94967984,33/

And if some of you live outside the US and are interested in the HX701 (700) series, you can take a look at this thread from a french AV forum:

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...711#p173597711

Finally, J&R has some prices for the HX800 in preorder. I don't know how much we can rely on those tho, as they are cheaper than the NX700, which is supposed to be inferior. I'm puzzled.
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cnet has a review of the NX800 here: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...rColumnArea1.2


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I've seen the NX800 a couple times at the Sony store in Tysons Corner, VA and it really is not as bad PQ wise as these reviews claim. And this is due to the edge-lit technology that most reviewers are not head over heals in love with no matter the manufacturer.

It's quite comparable to a regular CCFL backlit set.

However, therein lies the problem........it should be priced lower.
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However, therein lies the problem........it should be priced lower.

Agree. LED backlight (edge-lit) is a complete rip-off. It actually cost less to produce them. People just don't realize it and manufactures making huge margins because they make it look like it is more high end.
One exception is the local dimming tech that does indeed improve PQ.
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Well so much for Sony Style in Canada...

I had to cancel my 60NX800 order since they won't be able to deliver one to me before the 10th of July!

So I'm back in the business of shopping for a 60-65" LCD.

I guess I'll have to go with Samsung or Sharp since none of the other sony model interest me at this time.
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...I had to cancel my 60NX800 order since they won't be able to deliver one to me before the 10th of July!...

This seems to reinforce the general picture that Sony is taking its time introducing the upscale models to make sure they get it right. Makes extra sense since the world economy is still coming back so it's not the best time to introduce pricey new luxury products. Should be interesting to see what they can achieve.
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This seems to reinforce the general picture that Sony is taking its time introducing the upscale models to make sure they get it right. Makes extra sense since the world economy is still coming back so it's not the best time to introduce pricey new luxury products. Should be interesting to see what they can achieve.

Oh but they did have 35 in stock, not just mine...

I guess they reserve the first run to some "priviledge" customer like the store managers, friends... etc...

Oh well. Maybe it is a good thing in the end. At $5.2K Cdn I guess I'll just pick up a 55" Vizio instead and spend the rest of the money on a new backward shed.
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July 10th ? Sony Canada must be crazy.

There are rumors that Sony has some problems with the production of their new glossy panels.

Sony is dead.
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July 10th ? Sony Canada must be crazy.

There are rumors that Sony has some problems with the production of their new glossy panels.

They would probably be using Sharp's uv2a panels in these high end sets and
not getting them from Sharp in time.
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I donĀ“t think that UV2A Panels are used. They are very new panels. Even Sharp, the developer use this panels first in the new top series. I think Sony use normal Samsung and Sharp Panels, dipending on the size and line.
But for me the PQ is important, not the type of the panel. The first rumours says that the UV2A panels are not so good everyone hopes. Only evolution no revolution. And Sonys Bravia Engine is one of the best, so i hope the PQ is good for me.
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