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post #331 of 1059 Old 02-28-2010, 03:46 PM
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"They" as in Samsung or "they" as in the industry? I know you said its a rumor, but did you get it from a web site or someone that you spoke with? just curious.

Just saw it in passing on this forum; I would say they were talking about the standard. There are some articles out there talking about the evolution of the standard, but I guess in my thought process on whether to go with the b8500 or wait for the c8000, it was more the fact that the c8000 is 1st gen 3D. That is what Samsung has been pushing (e.g. 3D), not that the c8000 is going to be a big advancement in picture quality. I need a TV now with primary concern being PQ and I have no problem waiting a few+ years for the 3D standard to normalize before jumping into that technology.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/13/3d_tv/
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01...3d_tv_roadmap/
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Just saw it in passing on this forum; I would say they were talking about the standard. There are some articles out there talking about the evolution of the standard, but I guess in my thought process on whether to go with the b8500 or wait for the c8000, it was more the fact that the c8000 is 1st gen 3D. That is what Samsung has been pushing (e.g. 3D), not that the c8000 is going to be a big advancement in picture quality. I need a TV now with primary concern being PQ and I have no problem waiting a few+ years for the 3D standard to normalize before jumping into that technology.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/13/3d_tv/
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01...3d_tv_roadmap/

Those articles are talking about display standards, the biggest problem being that there is NO standard. There are no standards to change!

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Yes, 60" and 65" models will be offered this year.

The tv's may be bigger, but going from local dimming back lit LED to super thin edge lit is hardly an upgrade (that being said, the Sony 60NX800 looks amazing for being edge lit at 60").

What we need here is a 65" Local Dimming back-lit tv with 8500 quality or +. Personally, this whole fad with TV's getting thinner with lack of video improvement is sick. I'll take a tv that's say XBR4 thick in a heartbeat if it had the guts needed to blow the doors off these skinny models.

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I was told by a Samsung rep that the black performance on the C8000 should be better than that of the B8500
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I was told by a Samsung rep that the black performance on the C8000 should be better than that of the B8500

Well, a): Blacker than Black is not possible :-) b) the question is under which circumstances.

I asked a Samsung rep at the European Forum the following:

If i have a A959 next to a C8000 and watch a Widescreen movie, would the C8000 convince me as much as the A959 especially regarding the bars? The answer was: I think you should try that on your own.

Sure, could mean that he doesn't know - but a confident "YES, SIR" would make the waiting more easy :-)
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I agree. He also stated that the Pin Point Dimming was triangle based and not square like other manufactures.
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I agree. He also stated that the Pin Point Dimming was triangle based and not square like other manufactures.

The thing which really confuses me is that as it is a EDGE Lit TV, the light has to pass the Widescreen bars to get into the center. So even as for standard 16:9 content the dimming might work very well, especially the bars really concerns me.
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Fry's has a 40" LED C5000 model. I wasn't aware there was anything below the 6500 series. The panel had a CM01? sticker on the back. I would have assumed that meant a CMO panel and that it wouldn't be as good as an SQ01 BUT interestingly, I did not see any flash lighting on that unit. The picture looked pretty good given that it was store conditions and this running demo loop. I'd like to see a real movie on it in better lighting.

I went back and looked at the 46" C7000 and I could see the flash lights at the bottom but there were also some finger prints in the bottom left & right corner which made it hard to evaluate. I reset the unit back to dynamic mode and reset any custom settings.

I love this time of year. It's like every time you go, there is a new model to check out.
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I took another look at the 46C7000 at Fry's today. It does have some bad corner flashlighting in dark scenes. I tried to take a picture of it, but the flashlighting did not show up in the pic.

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zero response here, starting thread...
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So wait, am I hearing that the LN40C550 on amazon is bad news bears or what? What is a C panel anyway?
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Is any website shipping glasses for Samsung C7000 series TVs ? So far I have found vanns taking preorder http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...ures/776445156

Best buy has both TV and BD player with 3D support - but neither of them come with glasses.
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Is 240hz refresh rate now only on the LED models? From what I've seen from Amazon and CES the 2010 LCD sets have only 120hz refresh rates. Maybe this isn't a big deal--can most people even distinguish between the two?
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...so here in the middle of this recession I am now in the market.

Also do you think I should wait until more of the backlit LED sets come out, the salesman told me more are coming soon maybe in a few weeks? I would love to see the newest backlit LED-LCD sets from Sony but BB says they are not out yet and don't know when they are coming in.

A. Sony - BRAVIA 55 inch / 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV
$1,709 - model KDL55EX500 shown here:

B. Samsung - 55 inch / 1080p / 240Hz / LED-LCD HDTV
$3,100 - Model: UN55B8500XFXZA shown here:

My $2500 2001 Sony 36XBR450 conked out in February 2007, so I know your pain. I lived with a borrowed 27" Sharp CRT for 18 months until LCD motion smoothing technology was debugged and I picked up a Samsung LN52A860. You owe it to yourself to wait until you can see the new Sonys and Samsungs in the next few months:

1. They are second gen LED sets, and may have better picture quality.
2. The local dimming B8500 listed above is the cream of the crop, but the new C8000 may have blacks nearly as good, although no one expects it, using some sort of edge-lit "local dimming".
3. It could turn into a 3D world, and you may not want to be left behind with a 2D model. And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, I believe 3D requires HDMI 1.4 which could also obsolete any surround receiver or blu ray you may pick up to go with your new set.

So, if you can, borrow a set to hold you, or pick up an inexpensive flat panel you could move to the bedroom. If you can't do this, minimize downside risk by spending as little as possible. You could consider a Samsung LN55B640, comparably equipped and priced to the Sony in item A. Good luck.
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Finally got a full price sheet, get ready for sticker shock on the UN46C9000 and UN55C9000.

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Finally got a full price sheet, get ready for sticker shock on the UN46C9000 and UN55C9000.

Would i be shocked if i already expect 4.999 and 5.999?

Much more interested in the price of the 65C8000 - 4.499?
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Finally got a full price sheet, get ready for sticker shock on the UN46C9000 and UN55C9000.

I'm with darkvader. I already expected the 9000 series to be quite expensive. It's too bad because you're really just paying for the sets astetics rather than PQ.

The only new Samsung I have any interest in is the 65" 8000 series set. I can't wait to find out the MSRP and for reviews to start coming out for it.
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Would i be shocked if i already expect 4.999 and 5.999?

Much more interested in the price of the 65C8000 - 4.499?

I quess you guys are over the shock ( I thought I would get the "Bitter Beer Face", lol ) They will not be that much on the street. Prices are $500 to high.

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I'm with darkvader. I already expected the 9000 series to be quite expensive. It's too bad because you're really just paying for the sets astetics rather than PQ.

You are probably right.

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Is 240hz refresh rate now only on the LED models? From what I've seen from Amazon and CES the 2010 LCD sets have only 120hz refresh rates. Maybe this isn't a big deal--can most people even distinguish between the two?

Others have speculated that this is a pricing strategy designed to force the purchase of higher end LED TV's if you want 240Hz tech.
Better try and grab a 52B750 if you want 240Hz, and don't want to pay out the nose.

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Finally got a full price sheet, get ready for sticker shock on the UN46C9000 and UN55C9000.

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I quess you guys are over the shock ( I thought I would get the "Bitter Beer Face", lol ) They will not be that much on the street. Prices are $500 to high.

So 3.999 for the 65C8000? This surprieses me, as already the upcharge from the 46C7000 to the 55C7000 was 700 (for 9") I expectet more than another 700 for the 10" and the step to the 8000series.

But nevertheless, at least a good surprise, just wait what they will do for Europe out of these.
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Is 240hz refresh rate now only on the LED models? From what I've seen from Amazon and CES the 2010 LCD sets have only 120hz refresh rates. Maybe this isn't a big deal--can most people even distinguish between the two?

In germany the C750 will have 200hz - as this is normally the equivalent to 240hz in the states i think the C750 would give you what you want.
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just wait what they will do for Europe out of these.

Right, add 2K.

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I quess you guys are over the shock ( I thought I would get the "Bitter Beer Face", lol ) They will not be that much on the street. Prices are $500 to high.

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So 3.999 for the 65C8000? This surprieses me, as already the upcharge from the 46C7000 to the 55C7000 was 700 (for 9") I expectet more than another 700 for the 10" and the step to the 8000series.

But nevertheless, at least a good surprise, just wait what they will do for Europe out of these.

darkvader I took what Cleveland Plasma said to mean that he believes the 9000 series sets to be priced at $500 to high. Not that your price guess for the 65" 8000 was $500 to high.

I do hope you are right darkvader. $4000 for the 65" 8000 would be awesome.
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I'm more interested in the releasedates. still no official information about that. C7000 is already in stock at amazon. But what about C6000, C650, C750 and the 40C7000?
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darkvader I took what Cleveland Plasma said to mean that he believes the 9000 series sets to be priced at $500 to high. Not that your price guess for the 65" 8000 was $500 to high.

As he quoted my C8000 price as well i think he refers to all three :-)
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wow, $4400 and $5400 for the 46/55" respectively. ouch!

might keep my eye on the 55b8500 for a sweet sale/closeout
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Yikes! Looks like I will not be buying another Samsung until they get rid of those ugly bases!

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does anyone know when the 52C750 ships?

Also - besides the 3d ability, will the PQ be a lot better than B750? and I heard it's 120hrz only?
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I wonder why the 55" c630s have been released but the 46" have not?? I want my TV!!! Does anyone know when the 46C630s will ship??

They haven't been released yet.
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From the info I have seen so far, it seems that only the C8000 series will include this new "edge-lit backlight" technology. Does that mean the C9000 will only feature "standard" edge-lighting?

If that is the case, I am assuming we could expect a worse PQ from the top of the range 9000 compared to the 8000?
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