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Do we have more chances to encounter the clouding problem with bigger screen sizes?

What causes clouding?
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+1 to that, will a 46" (c650) be more likely to have clouding on the screen??

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hmm... interresting.
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"Overall the Samsung sets provided excellent picture detail, with satisfying colors and contrast. But we did notice some cloudiness on both the 7000-series modelwhich uses a conventional edge LED backlightand the 8000-series setthe first set we've seen that uses an edge LED backlight with local dimmingwhich can be distracting when viewing dark scenes."

There goes the C8000 that I was waiting for...

So what's better from last years models... 3D?? No Thanks...
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From what everyone has been saying is the c7000 is better than the b8000 so I wouldn't say they are the same as last years models with 3d.
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You guys do realize that the C8000 that was tested was a prototype from CES? I am still going to wait and see how good it is and not drop it from my list.
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Have you read this review?

Thats not very positive. But the guys turn the backlight to maximum makong decent black level impossible IMHO.
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From what everyone has been saying is the c7000 is better than the b8000 so I wouldn't say they are the same as last years models with 3d.

"everyone" in this case is a group of 3-5 people.
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"everyone" in this case is a group of 3-5 people.

Because the others has been busy talking about the c630 and c650?
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Finally saw 3D on the 55C7000 at Best Buy. They had about 30 minutes from different parts of Monsters Vs Aliens, featuring scenes with Susan/Ginormica. I also saw 3D conversion on Pirates of the Carribean on Bluray. They had 1 pair of glasses wired to a desk by two chairs at a comfortable viewing distance. The had nothing in stock other than the display units but could order all components: TV, glasses, bluray player and receiver.

My overall impression was quite good at first, seeing 3D for the first time, although over animated images, hard to tell what a movie would look like. Switching to 2D, the C7000 had such an amazing picture quality it already looked 3D, much as on my 55B8000. The glasses did make it noticably darker and there was a noticble loss of picture quality in 3D, maybe due to 120Hz to each eye, not sure. Only a few scenes had real pop out 3D, such as when Susan held a gun on the alien towards the end, but most did not. That same scene under 2D also looked pretty 3D. It did not appear to have the same jaw-dropping effect as Avatar in Digital 3D, as much as I wanted to see it. I saw three icons for 3D selection, only one works with the 3D bluray, but didn't learn about any other potential 3D settings.

When playing a Pirates of the Carribean bluray disk under 3D on the TV, it was hard to tell if the 3D effect was even on, there was very little 3D effect if any. The associate assured me it was on.

They also had a 55B8500 on display playing Speed Racer and the brightness and contrast was impressive, although that movie is different from most.

Now watching Fast & Furious on HD cable on the 55B8000 and it's very 3D and with about as close to perfect pq as could be.

I'll wait for the 65C8000 and more movie content to evaluate. I wonder what might provide the same level of quality under 3D as today's 2D from Samsung, better 3D bluray disks? 480Hz? The c8000 series?
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Finally saw 3D on the 55C7000 at Best Buy. They had about 30 minutes from different parts of Monsters Vs Aliens, featuring scenes with Susan/Ginormica. I also saw 3D conversion on Pirates of the Carribean on Bluray. They had 1 pair of glasses wired to a desk by two chairs at a comfortable viewing distance. The had nothing in stock other than the display units but could order all components: TV, glasses, bluray player and receiver.

My overall impression was quite good at first, seeing 3D for the first time, although over animated images, hard to tell what a movie would look like. Switching to 2D, the C7000 had such an amazing picture quality it already looked 3D, much as on my 55B8000. The glasses did make it noticably darker and there was a noticble loss of picture quality in 3D, maybe due to 120Hz to each eye, not sure. Only a few scenes had real pop out 3D, such as when Susan held a gun on the alien towards the end, but most did not. That same scene under 2D also looked pretty 3D. It did not appear to have the same jaw-dropping effect as Avatar in Digital 3D, as much as I wanted to see it. I saw three icons for 3D selection, only one works with the 3D bluray, but didn't learn about any other potential 3D settings.

When playing a Pirates of the Carribean bluray disk under 3D on the TV, it was hard to tell if the 3D effect was even on, there was very little 3D effect if any. The associate assured me it was on.

They also had a 55B8500 on display playing Speed Racer and the brightness and contrast was impressive, although that movie is different from most.

Now watching Fast & Furious on HD cable on the 55B8000 and it's very 3D and with about as close to perfect pq as could be.

I'll wait for the 65C8000 and more movie content to evaluate. I wonder what might provide the same level of quality under 3D as today's 2D from Samsung, better 3D bluray disks? 480Hz? The c8000 series?

Thanks for the impressions. I have the c7000 and I am very anxious to try the 3d. Seems like you were disappointed though. The 2d to 3d seemed barely noticeable huh? You mentioned there were a couple types of 3d? I see that on my tv but I don't know the difference. Seems like even the 3d bluray movie was lackluster too.
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Does anyone know the difference between the UNC6300 and UNC6400 Led Tv's? On the samsung website if i do a compare i see no differences!

Samsung UN55D6400, Comcast HD DVR, Infinity TSS-1200 speakers, Pioneer VSX-1120k
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Finally saw 3D on the 55C7000 at Best Buy. They had about 30 minutes from different parts of Monsters Vs Aliens, featuring scenes with Susan/Ginormica. I also saw 3D conversion on Pirates of the Carribean on Bluray. They had 1 pair of glasses wired to a desk by two chairs at a comfortable viewing distance. The had nothing in stock other than the display units but could order all components: TV, glasses, bluray player and receiver.

My overall impression was quite good at first, seeing 3D for the first time, although over animated images, hard to tell what a movie would look like. Switching to 2D, the C7000 had such an amazing picture quality it already looked 3D, much as on my 55B8000. The glasses did make it noticably darker and there was a noticble loss of picture quality in 3D, maybe due to 120Hz to each eye, not sure. Only a few scenes had real pop out 3D, such as when Susan held a gun on the alien towards the end, but most did not. That same scene under 2D also looked pretty 3D. It did not appear to have the same jaw-dropping effect as Avatar in Digital 3D, as much as I wanted to see it. I saw three icons for 3D selection, only one works with the 3D bluray, but didn't learn about any other potential 3D settings.

When playing a Pirates of the Carribean bluray disk under 3D on the TV, it was hard to tell if the 3D effect was even on, there was very little 3D effect if any. The associate assured me it was on.

They also had a 55B8500 on display playing Speed Racer and the brightness and contrast was impressive, although that movie is different from most.

Now watching Fast & Furious on HD cable on the 55B8000 and it's very 3D and with about as close to perfect pq as could be.

I'll wait for the 65C8000 and more movie content to evaluate. I wonder what might provide the same level of quality under 3D as today's 2D from Samsung, better 3D bluray disks? 480Hz? The c8000 series?

I think you don't like RealD 3D (which Samsung 3D TVs use) in general rather than the 3D effect from this TV...

From 3dvision-blog about RealD 3D:
"The immersion experience with RealD is a bit different compared to what you get at IMAX 3D projections as here the depth perception is of actual depth so the action is more going inside the screen, and not popping out of it. This does not make things less impressive, although some people might get a little disappointed at first if they were expecting to have the IMAX 3D pop-out effects, but after some time of watching they still get the feeling they are right in the middle of the action."

Was that how you felt?
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Does anyone know the difference between the UNC6300 and UNC6400 Led Tv's? On the samsung website if i do a compare i see no differences!

as far as i know it's just another design (brushed metal look) of the bezel and the stand.
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Hello,
I'm confused about all of the new TVs coming out, (LCD not LED) especially when compared to last years model. If someone could please help me out with:

-Last years star model looked to be the B750 model. Is the replacement essentially the C750? Are there any other upgrades to this TV, besides 3D? Last year there wasn't a 55" model, I see that there is a 55 this year too.
Also, there is no pricing/availability for this TV. Does anyone know when that'll be? Right now Amazon has a really good price on the 55C650 and I wondered if waiting for the C750 is worth it. If the only difference is 3D, then I don't think I will wait.
(I don't see the 55" C750 listed here. I hope it's still coming out: http://samsungusanews.com/2010/03/sa...cd-tv-lineup-/)

-I was initially looking at a 60" TV. But there is no C650 60" only C630. Is there a huge difference between the two?

Thank you!
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Here is a list of all the LCDs with LED and regular lighting with MSRP's.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361135,00.asp
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> I think you don't like RealD 3D (which Samsung 3D TVs use) in general rather
> than the 3D effect from this TV...


I prefer RealD and enjoy it in theaters whenever possible. I first saw Avatar in IMax 3D, which seemed to lose the 3D effect after some time. I greatly preferred Avatar in Dolby Digital 3D (RealD), seeing it several times and now recommending it over the older IMax. Seems I wasn't the only one seeing Alice in Wonderland in DD 3D/RealD, although I felt Avatar had a better (or more) 3D effect.

<<From 3dvision-blog about RealD 3D:
"The immersion experience with RealD is a bit different compared to what you get at IMAX 3D projections as here the depth perception is of actual depth so the action is more going inside the screen, and not popping out of it. This does not make things less impressive, although some people might get a little disappointed at first if they were expecting to have the IMAX 3D pop-out effects, but after some time of watching they still get the feeling they are right in the middle of the action."

Was that how you felt?
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I don't think so, the shutter glasses experience reminded me more of IMAX 3D than RealD, having a few scenes which appeared to jump out while most others didn't have much effect.

It was only a first experience with 20-30 minutes from a single disc. I'm very interested in hearing others experience and in seeing more. I'm really hoping the effect can get as good as RealD in theaters.
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Hi,

This is my first post and so I hope it works.

I would like a 37 inch set and have researched that earlier in the year Samsung will have some. (this from PC Magazine's website) But currently there's none on Samsung's website.

The questions are:
1. What will be the 37 inch choices, including LED?
2. Does anyone know how the c550 and c530 will differ from the c650 and c630?

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What do you guys think about the review on the European version?
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<<Thanks for the impressions. I have the c7000 and I am very anxious to try the 3d. Seems like you were disappointed though. The 2d to 3d seemed barely noticeable huh? You mentioned there were a couple types of 3d? I see that on my tv but I don't know the difference. Seems like even the 3d bluray movie was lackluster too.>>

Happy to share what I saw, I was surprised to see the setup at Blockbuster a week or two early.

I was never fully conviced the 2D to 3D was even turned on for the 2D bluray disk, so I don't think that's very noticable. We simply played the 2D bluray disk (thru the 3D bluray player) with the TV in 3D mode. While there is a 3D to 2D conversion option, there is no 2D to 3D option. Any effect at all was barely noticable and only appeared every so often. I tried moving around, directly in front, even vertical level, didn't seem to make a difference. The three 3D icons which appear when pressing the 3D button showed a slightly skewed image, an image with top and bottom, and an image with left and right. The first icon worked, I'd presume the other two are for some other form of 3D where images are presented vertically or horizontally, rather than slightly off center.

A preview of How to Train your Dragon played before Alice in Wonderland in Dolby Digital 3D (RealD) at a local AMC (Paramus, NJ), which is just across from the Best Buy. I found that effect to be amazing, but unfortunatly was several classes above the 3D effect I saw yesterday on the C7000 with Monsters Vs Aliens on 3D bluray. Once again, I have very high hopes Samsung can bring that level of quality picture and 3D as seen in DD 3D/RealD in theaters to home theater.

Added Note: Perhaps the 3D effect was not turned up enough:
A couple of 3D-specific tweaks are provided, including a depth adjustment that allows you to add more or less of a 3D effect with native 3D content. 2D material can also be "converted" to 3D using the built-in system.

Good luck with your C7000, which I believe is comparable to my B8000. I would guess you're delighted with the 2D picture? I had to turn down the auto-motion when I first bought my B8000 last year, which I now always leave on standard/standard. I think it was because I wasn't used to the higher quality lifelike picture, which I now really enjoy. Do you mind if I ask if you noticed the same effect and what setting you use?
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After seeing this description, I think the Samsung C7000 may require 3D settings adjustments for a good 3D picture.
<<A couple of 3D-specific tweaks are provided, including a depth adjustment that allows you to add more or less of a 3D effect with native 3D content. >>
- http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...01L03-0212.pdf

The User manual shows these parameters which I didn't check or adjust:
Basic Features
* Depth: Adjusts focus / depth in 2D -> 3D mode.
This function is only activated when the 3D Mode is 2D -> 3D
* Picture Correction: Adjusts the images for the left and right eye.

And this warning, since Best Buy had dozens of LCD devices playing not too far away:
<<If there is any other 3D product, electronic devices such as a PDP or LCD TV, or wireless
communication devices nearby, the 3D Active Glasses may not work properly due to mutual
interference. If there is a problem, keep other electronic devices as far away as possible from the
3D Active Glasses.>>


I also didn't check the automotion plus or display settings, which may have been set to some demo mode and not standard/standard, although the 2D viewing was very good.

I'm hoping the 3D settings can be adjusted for a much stronger 3D effect comparable to the Dolby Digital 3D/RealD effect and a stronger picture quality. I hope someone can review the 3D effect while making adjustments. How much 3D effect can the Depth adjustment make? Does the Picture Correction bring the 3D picture quality back up to par? Any other settings need tweaking? I doubt I can make it back to Best Buy right away to try.
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rj - did you try the 2d to 3d on just normal tv? If so how was that?
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rj - did you try the 2d to 3d on just normal tv? If so how was that?

They had just set it up and didn't have it hooked up to any TV (cable/satellite) at the time, only the 3D bluray player and receiver. I'll make it back this weekend to try the 3D adjustments, with luck they'll also have an HDTV hooked up. I usually watch bluray and movies on HDTV and am also interested in the HDTV 2D -> 3D conversion. The Sammy's are gr8 at 1080i to 1080p upconversion and it may be some time before many 3D HDTV channels are around. Satellite ESPN is coming soon but nothing from my cable provider.
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Is there going to be a CCFL-lit 50+ 3D Samsung TV? I've so far only seen speculation as to a 52 or 55 inch C750, but everything I've seen so far looks very unofficial. The pessimist in me thinks that it would make no business sense for Samsung to make a 50+ CCFL-lit 3D TV. CCFL would no-doubt produce a better picture than edge-lit (at least with no bleeding - sorry guys, I saw the rainbow issue on the 9000 in person at Samsung Experience, not a good look). CCFL would also be cheaper, and would thus take away from sales of the edge-lit 7000, 8000, and 9000 for customers who don't care about razor thin and actually know the difference. Any thoughts? Also, does anyone have any reason to believe in the local-dimming capabilities being hinted at for the 8000? I'm doubtful.
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Below is the reply I got from a samsung representative. It appears they want to rake in the cash from the led models 1st...they probably know the ccfl lcd is still arguably better...thin enough...more uniform backlight...just as deep blacks. If you don't care about thin fashion, why not get the cheaper ccfl with 3d and equal features without the clouding, blooming, etc. lol
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Thanks for your email, but as of today, the only sizes we’ve announced for the 750 is the 46”. Should anything be announced in the future, I’ll be happy to keep you updated.

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Is there going to be a CCFL-lit 50+ 3D Samsung TV? I've so far only seen speculation as to a 52 or 55 inch C750, but everything I've seen so far looks very unofficial. The pessimist in me thinks that it would make no business sense for Samsung to make a 50+ CCFL-lit 3D TV. CCFL would no-doubt produce a better picture than edge-lit (at least with no bleeding - sorry guys, I saw the rainbow issue on the 9000 in person at Samsung Experience, not a good look). CCFL would also be cheaper, and would thus take away from sales of the edge-lit 7000, 8000, and 9000 for customers who don't care about razor thin and actually know the difference. Any thoughts? Also, does anyone have any reason to believe in the local-dimming capabilities being hinted at for the 8000? I'm doubtful.

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DOes the technology on 3d tvs allow regular tv to be watched in just as good quality or does the 3d comprise regular hd watching quality?
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DOes the technology on 3d tvs allow regular tv to be watched in just as good quality or does the 3d comprise regular hd watching quality?

has no impact on 2d quality - it's still amazing.
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Fry's Sunnyvale has 46" versions of the 5000, 6300, 6400, and 7000 series right next to each other. I think some were thinking the 5000 was 120Hz but the motion blur demo reveals it's 60Hz.

Interestingly, all 4 panels had the same corner flashlighting which would drive me nuts. I hold out some hope that the 8000 series won't do that. Is this a manufacturing defect or something that will be in most models? There were a lot of finger prints in the corners, perhaps people were noticing that when they were looking and just _had_ to touch the screen. Maybe the flashlights are less noticable from a distance?
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