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un55c8000 ->2849 already
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also!! anyone have an answer to the question I asked earlier about how well the 3d on the 7000/8000's holds up when you are viewing it while laying down on a couch directly in front on the tv so the glasses are semi-tilted sideways and how they work when looking up at the tv lieing on the ground away from it.

It was talked about earlier in the video from Consumer reports. I also tried it when I was in best buy the other day. When you start tilting your head, the further you tilt the darker it gets. Laying with your head completly down, so at a 90deg angle to normal, it is very dark, probably unwatchable for most people.

Going to need to put a pillow under your head.
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As long as your head is a few degrees off of 90 there is no problem. No one would watch TV with their head laying flat on the side of their glasses anyway. A non issue.
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un55c8000 ->2849 already

vendor?
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You do bring in a good point. However with how the technology continue improving rapidly is not always a good thing and let me give you an example to what I mean exactly. Let's a take a look at the gaming console 'ps3' for instance, it was released at around 2006 and we are at the year 2010 and so far no real confirmation or anything for ps4. I could see the value for this machine, meaning when it first release, some grab it quickly with it's higher price and some waited for price to go down without having to worry about ps4 release because newer console doesn't come unless years come by, it's true some ps3 console has been released with bigger hard drive and different design but older model still do the exact same thing as newer once.



So for my example above when we go back and take a look at TVs once again, we will notice that C7000 going to be discontinued model once 2011 hits!! Because newer models will hit the marked to replace C7000-C8000-C9000 and they may very well have more feature and than 2010 models that's how fast TV are improving. To make long story short, if you hang on little more in 2011 to find out whats the new feature will be for 2011 TV models, you may find out you are getting closer 2012 and newer sets might be it's way to be announced!!




For me, I made up my mind and I will wait for C8000 to be released and make a direct comparison between it and C7000 to see if there is a difference also this will be a nice wait because C7000 will be cheaper and C8000 will be a bit cheaper too when C9000 hits the market! Also the glasses might get cheaper and since there is no 3D broadcasting at this point then it's best to wait anyway, but I will certainly get my TV before June 11 because that's when 3D world cup will start, i bet before June, I will even know who will carry 3D channel by then which is important for me to know so I could switch to another provider on time before June 11.

To be honest, I own a 2007 Samsung R81B and the 2009 model B650 can't do miracles compared to the old one. It's a bit better but for normal users a TV will be enough for a few years.
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vendor?

Looks like it's at US Appliance for $2849. You have to apply coupon code SAM300 at checkout. Price then drops to $2849. Only problem is that US Appliance has terrible reviews out there...
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Amazon is selling the un55c8000 now:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN55C8.../ref=de_a_smtd

And Samsung's Korean site is showing the un55c8000:

http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/...ail&returnurl=

Unfortunately I can't read it.

Did notice something interesting Clear Motion Rate 60x16 = 960......not sure what that means.

Also this interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKaccoHeY74&NR=1
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Amazon is selling the un55c8000 now:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN55C8.../ref=de_a_smtd

I just checked very early this morning and they hadn't posted it yet. Thanks for catching it.

And for that youtube video, according to Samsung the new sets are edge lit at the top and bottom of the panel, but the guy is rubbing the side and saying edge lit. Wonder if he knows his stuff.......
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I just checked very early this morning and they hadn't posted it yet. Thanks for catching it.

And for that youtube video, according to Samsung the new sets are edge lit at the top and bottom of the panel, but the guy is rubbing the side and saying edge lit. Wonder if he knows his stuff.......

Edge lite?? and at $3,500.00 a real bargain..
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Any C8000 review yet? Even on European websites

Obviously, we cannot demo the C8000, is it safe to assume it is at least as good as the C7000 and make the purchase?

So if you have the 3D bluray player now, all you can watch is M vs. A, that's it?
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Is there anyone expecting to get C8000 today? I hope somebody will make some photos of it( in the dark viewing conditions as well) and share with us here and any opinion would be nice to read as well.
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Obviously, we cannot demo the C8000, is it safe to assume it is at least as good as the C7000 and make the purchase?

So if you have the 3D bluray player now, all you can watch is M vs. A, that's it?


it might take me until the weekend and by then we'll probably get a few hands-on reports, but I live about 20 miles away from abt electronics. I called them up and they said that they have at least one c8000 on display.

also, i'm hoping forum members who'll have access to the 3d broadcast of the masters starting next week will report on the experience.
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Hi guys, I am getting ready to buy a 3d tv and need some advice. Do you guys think I should get the samsung un46c7000 or wait on the un46c8000? Thanks
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I just checked very early this morning and they hadn't posted it yet. Thanks for catching it.

and just like that, it's in stock. so so tempting even at msrp. i'll have to wait for an in person viewing at abt though.
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btw chris, you getting any of these units yet?
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Good video; thanks for posting that. I love how the C8000 Samsung logo lights up. (it's the small little touches like that ...). Can't wait to audition it for myself in person. Do you think regular Best Buy will carry this set or only at their Magnolia stores?

Also, anyone know what the Samsung specs are for contrast ratio? I assume better than the C7000.
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Amazon is selling the un55c8000 now:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN55C8.../ref=de_a_smtd

And Samsung's Korean site is showing the un55c8000:

http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/...ail&returnurl=

Unfortunately I can't read it.

Did notice something interesting Clear Motion Rate 60x16 = 960......not sure what that means.

Also this interesting video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKaccoHeY74&NR=1

This viedeo it from March 9, 2009
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I'm looking at picking up either the C7000 or C8000.

I had a question to the C7000 owners. I'm assuming you have to use Samsung 3d glasses to be able to properly sync to the TV, but are you able to use a different brand brand 3d capable blu-ray player? Is it possible to feed 3d content from the computer via HDMI? For example using PowerDVD10 3d?
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My thoughts on first-hand 3D experience at Best Buy today:

I first went over to the Samsung 55C7000 where the typical Monsters vs Aliens demo clips were playing. To be honest, I thought the 3D was pretty weak until the clip of the ping pong or whatever it was where the ball pops way out of the screen. But overall, I was not that impressed. I think there may have been something wrong with the glasses, see later note.**

I tired the C7000 3D demo at my local Best Buy. I found the 3D effect to be very good, better than the theater actually. A big problem was that the Samsung TV showed a lot of glare from lights that ruined some of the 3D experience.

The biggest problem however was that I could pick up flickering on the TV which gave me an instant headache and my eyes hurt almost immediately. When I took the glasses off my eyes still hurt for a good ten minutes. I could see the flickering with the glasses off as well. The Blue Shirt told me I was crazy but I told him that I could see the image flicker. I asked if he was sure the display was using 240hz mode and displaying two separate 120hz feeds from the player. He then looked at me like I was even more crazy.

Just to be sure I went to another Best Buy later in the week and watched the demo again. The other set had the same problem. The weird thing is that I am not too sensitive to the pulldown judder of a 60hz set displaying material. I really notice the sparkling of a DLP though.

This has really soured me on home 3D. I don't really care all that much about the feature but I would like it to be there for the future just in case. Considering I can buy a 2009 50" 8000 series for under two grand I am thinking about just picking that up to replace my 3 year old 42" Philips.

My wife didn't notice the flickering and really wants the 3D set for animated movies for my young son to watch. I am not willing to kill my eyes for that.
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Amazon is selling the un55c8000 now:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN55C8.../ref=de_a_smtd

Now, we wait for "Price available at final checkout", right everyone ?
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Really good review of the c7000 that I haven't seen posted yet:
Samsung UN55C7000 3D LED LCD HDTV Review - Intro
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Amazon is selling the un55c8000 now:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN55C8.../ref=de_a_smtd

Back to "Pre-order"...
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Really good review of the c7000 that I haven't seen posted yet:
Samsung UN55C7000 3D LED LCD HDTV Review - Intro

Really good? It got whipped by the entry level Sony LED.... YIKES!
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Really good? It got whipped by the entry level Sony LED.... YIKES!

Apart from the "Screen has some serious uniformity issues." and the "Artifacting issues." it looks like a winner.

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The UN55C7000 is a good TV. It isn't the best one we've seen, and certainly had some issues at launch, but it certainly isn't the worst example of a brand new technology.
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What the UN55C7000 has is potential. Assuming these features mature into decent, worthy additions, then it won't make a terrible purchase. We wouldn't, however, advise anyone to rush out to stores and pick this up

Fantastic review.
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It would have been interesting to compare these 2010 models to comparable 2009 models. I have not followed reviews of Samsung LCD sets but if 2009 sets are no better than these 2010 sets, there is not much good to be said for them. If both are equal, that also is rather damning of Samsung sets.

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Apart from the "Screen has some serious uniformity issues." and the "Artifacting issues." it looks like a winner.



Fantastic review.

FROM THE REVIEW (PAGE 14):

"The Sony is less expensive and has slightly better picture quality.

The Samsung can offer 3D content and a decent suite of online content at some point in the future, but if you don't care much about early-adopting 3D and want great internet features right now, the Sony is the better choice.

The Samsung didn't have as deep a black level or as bright a peak white. The Sony has a much higher overall contrast ratio.

The Sony's color temperature is nearly flawless, while the Samsung's gets noticeably warm towards the dark end of the spectrum. Both TVs had similar RGB performance.

The Samsung had more artifacting than the Sony; both were about as smooth.

The Sony has a slightly wider viewing angle than the Samsung.

Currently, Samsung's online content library still pales in comparason to Sony's. Samsung has promised to expand their current library, but as of this review they haven't."

I guess you missed that part of the review...

AND I OWN THE SAMSUNG!
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Really good review of the c7000 that I haven't seen posted yet:
Samsung UN55C7000 3D LED LCD HDTV Review - Intro

That site also reviews the 2009 UN46B8500, which outperforms the C7000.

One thing the C7000 has is auto dimming that cannot be turned off. From the article ...

" ... The one caveat is when the screen is nearly 100% black. At this point, some kind of automatic dimming will kick in, which can't be turned off. We're not a fan of dimming features, because they don't actually increase contrast ratio: anything that's supposed to be bright will lose its luster."
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That review is total BS. Sony has really fallen off in TV in the last couple of years. I bet the C7000 will be better than most Sony Tvs released this year. Also, I believe Sony's cheapest 3d TV this year is like $3700.
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Really good? It got whipped by the entry level Sony LED.... YIKES!

I think my post is worded wrong. I meant the review is good, even if they didn't score the TV as good. It is one of the first I have seen that has been more than an early quick look at the set.

Weird that they liked the sony better, considering Cnet didn't like them. But I don't listen to any 1 source, and there aren't enough in depth reviews out yet to look at an average of sorts. And the TVs are still very early in production life.
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