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I'm deciding between the B8500 and the C8000. I'm interested to read reviews on the C8000's zone-dimming (or whatever it's called) versus the B8500's more typical (or Sharp-like) local-dimming.

Either way, hopefully the new C-series will drive down the B8500's price a little but more, seems like an amazing set even if it's a generation old by the time they're more reasonably priced.

If you pick Florida for in-store pickup (and other states as well), on BB's web site, it looks as if the 55B8500 is becoming scarce. I don't know if they are actually beginning to sell-out, or if they are just selling well and are waiting for re-stock from the warehouses. It's gonna be a balancing act trying to find the best time to buy Vs being too late to buy.

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If you pick Florida for in-store pickup (and other states as well), on BB's web site, it looks as if the 55B8500 is becoming scarce. I don't know if they are actually beginning to sell-out, or if they are just selling well and are waiting for re-stock from the warehouses. It's gonna be a balancing act trying to find the best time to buy Vs being too late to buy.

Most ads say "limited to warehouse stock" now on all "B" versions that might still be available. /Dan
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I'm not entirely sure how BB's restock system works, but around 29 Nov 09 my local BB was sold out on the 52B630. The salesman looked up the unit, said there were 340 in stock at the warehouse, and they'd definitely be getting more in. I checked back every week for 3 weeks and they never got anymore- ended up buying from Sears.
Does anybody have any inside info on how their restocking system really works??
Is it just a crapshoot?

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Samsung's 2010 EU line-up will be unveiled on Monday!

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1266598032
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Here is an article about how samsung is doing the new local dimming:

The new generation of "local dimming"

interesting, hope it works
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Here is an article about how samsung is doing the new local dimming:

The new generation of "local dimming"

interesting, hope it works

Already been posted. See post #167.
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Found it interesting that the Samsung UN65C8000 was listed at Electronics-Depot, a past reseller on Amazon as coming soon and priced at less than the 65" B650 model - rules prohibit me from actually posting the price but to be honest I have no idea if the listed price is MSRP or Retail since MSRP hasn't been announced that I'm aware so I'll leave it out and let you guys do your own search to decide on your own.

Cleveland Plasma a forum sponsor may be aware just how realistic this is since he resells many of the upcoming new models but they may lock the thread if we actually post the price unless it's MSRP of course.

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Found it interesting that the Samsung UN65C8000 was listed at Electronics-Depot, a past reseller on Amazon as coming soon and priced at less than the 65" B650 model - rules prohibit me from actually posting the price but to be honest I have no idea if the listed price is MSRP or Retail since MSRP hasn't been announced that I'm aware so I'll leave it out and let you guys do your own search to decide on your own.

Cleveland Plasma a forum sponsor may be aware just how realistic this is since he resells many of the upcoming new models but they may lock the thread if we actually post the price unless it's MSRP of course.

It's because of the ugly stand - they figured they ought to charge less
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It's because of the ugly stand - they figured they ought to charge less

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In Europe Samsung C8000 will be available in April.

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Here is an article about how samsung is doing the new local dimming:

The new generation of "local dimming"

interesting, hope it works

Been waiting to here about the characteristics of the C8000 local dimming feature. This article is kind of leaving me with a "void" feeling for some reason. Since, I read this article, the following questions keep swimming in my head (e.g. back to researching I guess).
  • Sounds like the c8000 architecture gives approximately 40 "semi-effective" zones, does anyone know how many zones the b8500 has?
  • Sony's HX800 has something called "Dynamic Edge LED", does anybody know how this compares to Samsung's "Seamless Dimming" technology?
  • Someplace (e.g. can't remember where) I heard Samsung is going to quit making direct local-dimming TVs; rather, place their bets on enhancing edge-lit local dimming technology. Anybody else see that or know whether that is true or not?
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Been waiting to here about the characteristics of the C8000 local dimming feature. This article is kind of leaving me with a "void" feeling for some reason. Since, I read this article, the following questions keep swimming in my head (e.g. back to researching I guess).
  • Sounds like the c8000 architecture gives approximately 40 "semi-effective" zones, does anyone know how many zones the b8500 has?
  • Sony's HX800 has something called "Dynamic Edge LED", does anybody know how this compares to Samsung's "Seamless Dimming" technology?
  • Someplace (e.g. can't remember where) I heard Samsung is going to quit making direct local-dimming TVs; rather, place their bets on enhancing edge-lit local dimming technology. Anybody else see that or know whether that is true or not?

Yes....it's true. From CES reports, there will be no LED backlit (entire panel) with local dimming sets by Samsung this year. Even their 9000 set will be edge lit.
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Been waiting to here about the characteristics of the C8000 local dimming feature. This article is kind of leaving me with a "void" feeling for some reason. Since, I read this article, the following questions keep swimming in my head (e.g. back to researching I guess).
  • Sounds like the c8000 architecture gives approximately 40 "semi-effective" zones, does anyone know how many zones the b8500 has?
  • Someplace (e.g. can't remember where) I heard Samsung is going to quit making direct local-dimming TVs; rather, place their bets on enhancing edge-lit local dimming technology. Anybody else see that or know whether that is true or not?

The B8500 for sure has much more.

But nevertheless, actual rumours sais, that this 40 zones technology is for the 9000 series because it doesn't need much depth and that the 8000 still has a more advanced way.

Technical, direct local dimming is possible even with EDGE LED sets, you just need an internal light guide system. So you don't need a Matrix LED set up to realize LD with hundreds of zones.

What the 8000 Series really has? Well, on monday at 14:00 German time there will be a Press conference at the European Samsung Forum where they show all their 2010 products - hopefully we know more in about 17 hours.
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Enjoy!!

Samsung series 8000 3D TV hands-on

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av...2061315,00.htm

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Samsung series 8000 3D TV hands-on

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av...2061315,00.htm

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Great find!
At least it has some info, but was hoping for even more comparisons to the 2009 models. It is looking good though.
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Samsung series 8000 3D TV hands-on

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av...2061315,00.htm

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Man I really can't wait for the 8000 series to come out. I want the 65" one so bad. Hopefully the PQ will be as good as the set looks. The only thing I don't like are the supported audio logos printed on the bottom left of the frame. I really hope these will be removable on the final version.
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Samsung series 8000 3D TV hands-on

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Samsung series 8000 3D TV hands-on

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av...2061315,00.htm

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That's more like it!!! As darkvader mentioned, hopefully more details tomorrow.

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The LED-edgelit UE46C8000X can deliver deep blacks and fluid pictures, thanks to its newly developed pinpoint dimming and motion-enhancement engines. Although details are sketchy, we were told the former utilizes thousands of micro shutters inside the light guide plate to provide finer backlighting.

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While we wait I found it interesting that Samsung has chosen this set of picture releases for it's 65" C8000. To me Samsung chose to send Sharp a subliminal message that they can do RGB+Y with this picture, it would be hard to imagine this being a simple coincidence and the PQ is rather stunning - if only that could be accomplished without the reflections on dark content.

Can't wait to see feedback on the 8000's to figure out what the hell Samsung means by Mega CR - how the hell do you place a measure on "Mega" and also noted the "Pinpoint Dimming" listed unless of course Pinpoint Dimming = Infinite Blacks that are not dynamically measurable but it seems there should be a static measure available - my gripe on this isn't with Samsung but instead with all of them so far for 2010 are leaving consumers trying to guess what they mean by using desciptive terms that have no measures and are totally subjective terms that mean different things to different people. Great looking panel even though personally I don't prefer grey bezels but amazing that a 65" would weigh just under 80 lbs and other good news is it's 3D Ready.


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Samsung flat-panel 2010 - impressions

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thanks for the link. omg, the pictures of the new C9000 looks very ugly. Like a rough machined material. Where is the announces premium design.
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I got an email from Amazon.com this morning to let me know they have the 2010 Samsungs in. Guess they tracked that I had been looking at them a lot recently. Included in the email was this link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000481571

Shows a lot of the 2010 sets I guess, but no LED and no 750.
But I do like that the list price of the LN55C650 is $2,099, while the LN55B650 listed at $2799.
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http://translate.google.de/translate...d%3D1266924863

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C7000 first impressions.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/ne...D-TV-lineup/p1

"Presumably due to their imminent availability, Samsung was only showing off the entry level LED backlit models in its 3D demos. However, considering plasma's generally accepted ability to better handle fast motion and high framerates, we would've thought that the better tech to show 3D off. Indeed, where the quality of the picture and 3D experience on Panasonic's plasma models that we looked at last week was not in doubt (only the size of the screeen and overall impression of 3D left us wanting more), the screen's Samsung showed us were more inherently flawed.

Backlight bleed was clearly visible - the grey patches you see in the black areas of the TVs below is backlight bleed, not a part of the picture - while on-screen motion resulted in the picture becoming really choppy. This latter point is an inherent problem with 3D content in general but it did seem more pronounced on these sets."

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I am curious to see how the C8000 performs. I wish someone had it to test.
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and don't forget about that remote for the last one... Not something you would want to lose or drop... Looks like it will cost you a lot of $$$ to replace...




I forgot about this post... So I'm reposted the pics I found...

I came across some pics of the C9000 but I'm not sure if they were posted here yet.. If not take a look of the location of the ports...


HDMI on the side


Pull out controls



More HDMI and other ports located under the stand.



And one more pic from the side... 2 ports and it looks to be a slot.



That TV is way too expensive because It comes with a freakin iPhone as the remote $200 of the price goes to the Remote control, I would more wisely put my money towards better Quality and better PQ than Samsung and paying for an iPhone remote I do not need a regular remote would have been fine.
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C7000 first impressions.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/ne...D-TV-lineup/p1

The guy has a more generic statement:

All told though, we're still generally of the opinion that 3D doesn't work on normal size TVs in the home. The picture is too small and anything but absolute darkness surrounding the TV is doubly distracting for 3D content. Some of us do still hold out hope for 3D in the home - especially for projectors - but we're steadily getting the impression it's not going to be a satisfactory mainstream option for a good while yet.

His observation about the typical display size being too small is most likely right.

The question pops what is the size of the display 'sufficient', or required for 3D?

Obviously one should rather talk about the viewing distance in relation to the display size but the essence is same.

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UN55C8000 listed as available on 4/16.

We have the C7000 and no 3D glasses Here she sits till Chad gets here to do his thing >>>


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