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Both are edge-lit LED so the same issue would apply. Now that said, if u absolutely have to pick one of the 2, if i were u, i'd come to a Costco and pick up the Sony 40EX700. You will have 90 days return policy plus if u keep it, the warranty is 3 years (4 years if u pay with AMEX i believe). The Sammy you listed is last year's model, so unless there is a bargain you can get, it wouldnt make as much sense.

Good points...

I looked on Costco's site but didnt see the sony listed. Is it in stores but not online?

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Good points...

I looked on Costco's site but didnt see the sony listed. Is it in stores but not online?

Thanks for posting!

They're all over at my local Costco and no i dont see them online so check your local stores.

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Anyone?

Also It seems from reading some posts in this forum the Sony's are also a hit and mis with the flashlighting found in the Samsungs?

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Well I've compared both Samsung and Sony sets, and I've come to notice Sony as having the better picture quality (natural tones vs. Samsung's more saturated colors) But I'll admit that I own a Samsung B650 because it was the only 55" available at the time of purchase.

This was something that I came across from a Polish review site.

Samsung B7000 vs Sony NX800
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There is no correlation other than the fact that the RGBY panels will also have UV2A.

UV2A has absolutely nothing to do with the pixel structure. UV2A is implemented on the transparent alignment layer and will be invisible (transparent, get it?) to the eye.

I speculated that the UV2A may relate to pixel structure but I also said that it appeared to be a panel manufacturing process. Thanks for clearing it up. It has not been clear from Sharp "marketecture" and they have actually called the x-gen pixels UV2A in slides and pictures. I guess the only way we will know if a panel is made with UV2A is if they tell us.

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Anyone?

Also It seems from reading some posts in this forum the Sony's are also a hit and mis with the flashlighting found in the Samsungs?

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I am guessing that would be based on the size of the TV and what panel is used. They may use different panels in different sizes and some have been determined to be more susceptible to flashlighting and clouding (I am looking at YOU S-LCD P-SVA!)

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I think Sharp has that pixel structure for x-gen panels and adds in uv2a? Ultra-violet light????

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Well I've compared both Samsung and Sony sets, and I've come to notice Sony as having the better picture quality (natural tones vs. Samsung's more saturated colors) But I'll admit that I own a Samsung B650 because it was the only 55" available at the time of purchase.

This was something that I came across from a Polish review site.

Samsung B7000 vs Sony NX800

This is looking to be a special set, sorry, not trying to derail the thread. Cnet doesn't seem to get it. Yet they'll give Samsung 4 star ratings over and over. The NX800 owns that set.

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I think Sharp has that pixel structure for x-gen panels and adds in uv2a? Ultra-violet light????

Yeah, it is not clear if the x-gen panel is made with UV2A or not. I hope so because I get my 60ex700 tomorrow and it uses that panel. I probably wouldn't know the difference... as long as I don't get another S-LCD S-PVA panel. I don't like those (in case you couldn't tell).

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This is looking to be a special set, sorry, not trying to derail the thread. Cnet doesn't seem to get it. Yet they'll give Samsung 4 star ratings over and over. The NX800 owns that set.

I think people do not realize how much the size of the reviewed set matters because they use different panel technology. The 40 and 46 sets could have completely different characteristics of contrast, uniformity and off-axis viewing based on what panel is in the set. For most consumers, they cannot tell but if you are a video purist you can tell. There is no perfect panel as far as I can tell, they all have pros and cons but I think that I prefer the S-IPS (from ownership) and probably the sharp x-gen (from what i have heard). Of course even a good panel can be ruined by bad implementation (look at Sharp's banding issues in the past).

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Sharp will be introducing this technology across the board for panels to be produced at the new LCD panel plant in Sakai and at Kameyama Plant No. 2.

Seems to be pretty clear - if it's made at Kameyama Plant No. 2 it will have UV2A alignment layers.

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Well I've compared both Samsung and Sony sets, and I've come to notice Sony as having the better picture quality (natural tones vs. Samsung's more saturated colors) But I'll admit that I own a Samsung B650 because it was the only 55" available at the time of purchase.

This was something that I came across from a Polish review site.

Samsung B7000 vs Sony NX800

Yes impressive. The Sony looks so much better it almost appears bigger and closer to the camera. Wow! Also appears that the color setting is way toward blue on the Sony.
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Can't figure out how to access internet video yet. Tried to refresh internet content under settings but get a network error 1106 error. ???

Any help getting onto Youtube/Slacker would be appreciated

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Got my KDL60EX700 set today. Unfortunately won't be able to plug it in for a couple of reasons :

- Firstly because I don't have anybody to help me lift it onto the stand.
- Secondly because I have an appointment tomorrow to have my Sony 60" A2000 fixed which is currently on the stand. lol!

I could technically keep both afterwards, but I'd rather sell the fixed A2000 to finance my new TV instead... though having a PC with dual 60-inch monitors would be pretty cool.
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I've been trying to decide between the EX700 and a new UV2A LED Sharp that came out here in Japan last month.

Would love someone to help me out with some advice or opinion on which set is better....

I have a thread on it here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post18264459

...but nobody has posted anything in it yet any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have come REALLY close to buying the 40" EX700, but the Aquos with its English menu (which the Sony doesn't have in Japan, apparently.) is really making it a tough decision....

PS: are there any good review sites out there with an EX700 review? or a review for the Sharp LC-40SE1 (japanese model number, not sure if it'll be released Stateside under same model number)
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I have come REALLY close to buying the 40" EX700, but the Aquos with its English menu (which the Sony doesn't have in Japan, apparently.) is really making it a tough decision....

You're planning on buying a TV based on the language of its menu?
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You're planning on buying a TV based on the language of its menu?

Not at all, but it WILL be a factor in my decision as listening to the missus complain each time I ask her to help me out with the menu will grate when you consider that I'll have the TV for about 5yrs. So, while not being a consideration for someone living in an English speaking country, it IS a consideration when you live abroad and don't speak the language, especially for initial set-up and calibration.

But, of course, picture quality, colour reproduction and motion etc are more important.
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So Im hearing some tell me to not go with an Edge Lit and stick with the better Back Lit TVs. Question is who makes LED TVs that are Back Lit?, esp in a 40" incher.

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The 2010 Sharp Aquos models that recently came out in Japan are LED backlit, though they don't employ local dimming.

While LED may not be the be-all-and-end-all of screen/picture quality, the new Aquos use UV2A screens and they should have better contrast and uniformity than edge-lit screens.

Not sure if the new LED Aquos have made it to Europe or America yet though. Model I am looking at is a 40" (LC-40SE1) and am trying to decide between it and the 40" EX700.

I live in Japan, so can buy immediately once i make my choice....but its a hard choice to make.
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I just found this from LG 42LH90, that is slightly larger but Back Lit with Local Dimming. Not sure how it measures up to the Samsungs and Sonys, but atleast it has those two features and for less I bet than either of the other two brands.
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I just found this from LG 42LH90, that is slightly larger but Back Lit with Local Dimming. Not sure how it measures up to the Samsungs and Sonys, but atleast it has those two features and for less I bet than either of the other two brands.

I can't speak for the 42 but the 55" from the LH90 line has reviewed quite well.
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Yes, it looks like these two from LG and I believe a 46" size all have the full back lit with local dimming.

I think this is the way I should go so I dont end up kicking myself for buying a TV that has known picture quality issues. I know that these are small issues in comparison to overall picture quality and under extreme circumstances and only seen in certain conditions and can be minimized to some degree with setting tweaks, but for me knowing that there is the possiblity of an issue like this makes me uncomfortable about paying for something with these issues. Also I tend to have a eye for these things so its more likely that I will see it whereas I know the average users don't.
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Lucky you! Unfortunately it is nigh on impossible to find a LG TV on sale here in Yokohama. The same goes for Vizio and Samsung.

Basically, you can only find Japanese manufacturers sets on sale here

The Sharp is about $100 cheaper than the EX700, is you buy the red model....if you go for the black, it's the same price.
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I don't know whether you have tried it, but maybe you should take the question to a Japanese AV forum ? I think most people here don't have the chance to see a real LX1 or an SE1.

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Lucky you! Unfortunately it is nigh on impossible to find a LG TV on sale here in Yokohama. The same goes for Vizio and Samsung.

Basically, you can only find Japanese manufacturers sets on sale here

The Sharp is about $100 cheaper than the EX700, is you buy the red model....if you go for the black, it's the same price.

The new Sharp models are not out yet here in US (LE810/LE820/LE920), but based on my experience with the EX700 model I'd seriously consider Sharp instead. It is definitely using uv2a panel that should give better contrast and viewing angles.
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The new Sharp models are not out yet here in US (LE810/LE820/LE920), but based on my experience with the EX700 model I'd seriously consider Sharp instead. It is definitely using uv2a panel that should give better contrast and viewing angles.

probably correct on contrast and viewing angles but let's wait and see where the pricing falls before you compare the Sharp's to a 60" display that can already be had for 2.5k
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Do the 60ex700 and the 55ex500 sport different panels because of the sizes?

I ask this because I saw them side by side in a dark room at the sony store and the ex500 had better blacks and contrast over the ex700. The were both put in cinema and showing HD CSI feeds. The ex700 also had visible flashlighting in the corners with backlight at set to 7. There was absolutely no difference between the BE2 and BE3 during the 20 mins I watched before my wife pulled me away.

The 60nx700 was much better than the other two but was too shiney and too much money for me ($1000 more than the ex500 and $500 more than the ex700).

Was it just the size/panel or am I wasting $500 getting the ex700 due to the better uniformity of the ccfl backlight on the ex500. Surely BE3 is not worth the $500 premuim alone.
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Got my KDL60EX700 set today. Unfortunately won't be able to plug it in for a couple of reasons :

- Firstly because I don't have anybody to help me lift it onto the stand.

I'm pretty sure sets 52" and above already come reassembled with the stand.
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The stand comes mostly assembled but the TV needs to be set on it and screwed in place (at least in the case of my 55EX500).
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Do the 60ex700 and the 55ex500 sport different panels because of the sizes?

I ask this because I saw them side by side in a dark room at the sony store and the ex500 had better blacks and contrast over the ex700. The were both put in cinema and showing HD CSI feeds. The ex700 also had visible flashlighting in the corners with backlight at set to 7. There was absolutely no difference between the BE2 and BE3 during the 20 mins I watched before my wife pulled me away.

I've viewed both these models two weeks in a row and this week pretty extensively and I would agree with you the cheaper CCFL easily beat the EX700 Series LED and both were 60" versions - repeatedly viewing identical feeds the EX500 outdid the LED in about 90% of comparative content and was also shocked to see better blacks on the CCFL.

All I can say is the EX700 LED must be a budget level version or the person setting these up at BB don't know what their doing. This is something I never expected and I find it interesting you had pretty much the same experience but I have BE3 on my Z5100 and it's excellent and it didn't make any sense that the cheaper CCFL was outperforming it's LED cousin. Perhaps they had it set on economy mode which can dim down a panel significantly otherwise it made no sense.

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probably correct on contrast and viewing angles but let's wait and see where the pricing falls before you compare the Sharp's to a 60" display that can already be had for 2.5k

The contrast on the Sharp Aquos LC-40SE1 (Japanese model number) is said to be 2,000,000:1(TV) and 5000:1 (native), though the guy in the store said it was 7000:1 for native, but Sharp themselves have said it's around 5000:1 the pricing is almost identical to the EX700. Side by side with identical feed, the Sony produces deeper colours, but the Sharp has smoother motion. But that's based on store settings, so may change a little in relation to colour with some calibration.

Looking at some user reviews here in Japan, the EX700 has only scored 3 out of 5 for its speakers.

The NX series look nice, but the screen is WAY too reflective for my viewing environment.
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