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I need to make my purchase decision this week, and I haven't had a chance to actually view the EX700 or NX700 yet. Best Buy isn't even listing the NX on their site, but they have the EX700 on sale, which makes it even more enticing right now.

Does anyone have clear info on what, exactly, the "Deep Black" panel on the NX700 does for PQ? Would it be worth the premium over the EX700?
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I need to make my purchase decision this week, and I haven't had a chance to actually view the EX700 or NX700 yet. Best Buy isn't even listing the NX on their site, but they have the EX700 on sale, which makes it even more enticing right now.

Does anyone have clear info on what, exactly, the "Deep Black" panel on the NX700 does for PQ? Would it be worth the premium over the EX700?

To my understanding the deep black panel is basically the coating they put on the glass that covers the screen on the NX series. It's supposed to cut down on reflections in order to enhance contrast etc. (I could be wrong).
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My new 46 EX700 has been with me a week and I am quite pleased. Deep blacks and
a solid, uniform picture with no flashlighting or annoying issues at all. I really enjoy this Bravia's tight, natural image with juicey colors and solid features

The screen is non glossy and subtle. Looks really nice. My big long hunt and research days are over. Now I'm enjoying HD and a DVR for the first time



Best Buy
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HDMI cables at monoprice, 2 six footers overnighted to my door for less
than 14 bucks.

have you tested it on an all black screen? I have tons of flash lighting on the bottom.
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Ok so I was dead set on the NX800 until I noticed the glass screen and a magnet for reflection. I think I will have to go with the EX700.
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Does anyone know what the contrast ratio is on the EX700?
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i can't find it anywhere. Its not even on the Sony website.
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i can't find it anywhere. Its not even on the Sony website.

Sony don't usually release that info.
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if u look carefully under display, contrast is infinite! haha lol
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how can they have the ex701 in the costco stores but not on the website!!??

I wonder if the one near me has it. I will check in about an hour and report back here for everyone.
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how can they have the ex701 in the costco stores but not on the website!!??

I wonder if the one near me has it. I will check in about an hour and report back here for everyone.

its just the 700 with the included wifi dongle
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its just the 700 with the included wifi dongle

ok, but the 700 isn't on the website. only the ex501 is.

So i can't price shop
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have you tested it on an all black screen? I have tons of flash lighting on the bottom.

I don't flashlighting on mine but I would like to see a photo of flashlighting on the ex700 on a black screen.
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Ok, so I checked out all of the ex701's at costco. The price is only slightly Less than the same unit at BB. Really, you're only saving a few bucks. BUT - you do get the free wifi dongle and extended warranty from costco. of course you also get the superior return policy 90 days instead of the 30 days at BB.

I was very disappointed in how costco had about half the TV's set up. Half of them were displaying pinks and greens over the true colors. A costco logo is supposed to be blue and red, not green and red. People are supposed to have tannish hughes to their skin - not pink....you get my point. Its as if they had the reds and greens turned to the absolute MAX.

The vizio SV472XVT looked WONDERFUL compared to the plasma beside it and the Sony EX701s. I have heard the Vizio out of the box settings are very good, so I imagine that this is why it looked better. Could also be that it was backlit compared to the edgelit sony.

I had to go look at the 60" ex701 to get a better look at the colors. for some reason, they had the colors more accurate on this one over the 52 and 46" versions.

the 46" was showing a demo disk on a vizio bluray (the movie "jack frost"). Hard to say if the disk itself was bluray or upconverted standard DVD. The picture looked grainy - and pixilated and certainly not 1080p.

The new Samsung 40" LED stood out the most. I think it was a UNC40-6400.
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Ok, so I checked out all of the ex701's at costco. The price is only slightly Less than the same unit at BB. Really, you're only saving a few bucks. BUT - you do get the free wifi dongle and extended warranty from costco. of course you also get the superior return policy 90 days instead of the 30 days at BB.

I was very disappointed in how costco had about half the TV's set up. Half of them were displaying pinks and greens over the true colors. A costco logo is supposed to be blue and red, not green and red. People are supposed to have tannish hughes to their skin - not pink....you get my point. Its as if they had the reds and greens turned to the absolute MAX.

The vizio SV472XVT looked WONDERFUL compared to the plasma beside it and the Sony EX701s. I have heard the Vizio out of the box settings are very good, so I imagine that this is why it looked better. Could also be that it was backlit compared to the edgelit sony.

I had to go look at the 60" ex701 to get a better look at the colors. for some reason, they had the colors more accurate on this one over the 52 and 46" versions.

the 46" was showing a demo disk on a vizio bluray (the movie "jack frost"). Hard to say if the disk itself was bluray or upconverted standard DVD. The picture looked grainy - and pixilated and certainly not 1080p.

The new Samsung 40" LED stood out the most. I think it was a UNC40-6400.

Agree Vizio SV472XVT looks awesome at Costco. With some tweaking with the settings 701 won't disappoint, but I was tempted to get the Vizio instead of Sony because the picture and price was so nice.
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BUT - you do get the free wifi dongle

Is this Sony brand dongle ? Or just generic linksys ?
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...ab=featuresTab
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Is this Sony brander dongle ? Or just generic linksys brand ?
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...ab=featuresTab

I imagine it's Sony brand. Its included in the box from what I could tell.
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Just exchanged my Costco set for another 701. This one does not display flashlighting but I have not had much time to play with it.

The dongle is Sony branded and it works very well. I have my router in my office on the second floor and my set is in the basement and I am getting 3 out of 5 bars.

I will report back tonight with my calibration results using DVE Blu Ray. Still unsure as to the proper gamma setting as well as back light level.

I do know that this set has a huge red bias that cannot be corrected using the standard color and hue controls. When I get the set ISF calibrated next month I will let you know the results.
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what is ISF calibrated?
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what is ISF calibrated?

All sets out of the box are not calibrated for accurate repoduction of HD broadcasts or blu ray playback. By using senors and test patterns, a professional calibrator can ensure that your set looks as close as possible to what the original recording or broadcast was intended to look like. This also ensures that White Scale is hitting 65K and that contrast is accurate

You can do this with a calibration disk upto a point, but the sencore sensor will ensure that you are as close as possible to accurate.
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I have my backlight at MIN or 1, which provides a good amount of light already.
I see the red bias, especially when the tv is off angle.
I would be interested in your Gamma settings.
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nobody has posted any of their settings in here. I would appreciate someone posting them up. I like to take the settings that people post and try to adjust by eye to my liking.

I know i may be asking for it here, but what is the best calibration disk? ISF? DVE or AVIA?
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nobody has posted any of their settings in here. I would appreciate someone posting them up. I like to take the settings that people post and try to adjust by eye to my liking.

I know i may be asking for it here, but what is the best calibration disk? ISF? DVE or AVIA?

Using DVE I got this:

Picture 70
Brightness 52
Backlight Min
Gamma -1

Color is a bit screwed up. Live color should be avoided as it causes an even greater red shift. I have my color set to 54 right now. When I attempt to adjust Hue I get too much green shift.

I will have the set professional calibrated next month and I will report back on the Cuts and Gains as well.
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I just saw the Sony Ex700 @ local BB ...WOW great picture,accurate picture and awesome blacks. Sony seems to have stepped it up this year.
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I just saw the Sony Ex700 @ local BB ...WOW great picture,accurate picture and awesome blacks. Sony seems to have stepped it up this year.

I have the set and the colors are FAR from accurate. Blacks are good for an LCD but not on the same level as a plasma. However, the picture is good and I do think it's a good tv, just far from the best
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have you tested it on an all black screen? I have tons of flash lighting on the bottom.

Yes, from various source input. Black and solid. So far, good stuff.
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I just brought the 60" version of this thing home last Friday night. It replaced a 5 year old Sony 60" sxrd 720p rplcd that was experiencing a deteriorating blue blob and blue haze. I didn't have much of a chance to play with the unit over the weekend, so I don't know if I can actually see a difference over and above my old 720p in terms of resolution, but the contrast on this new unit is far superior to my old tv. I just hope this one lasts longer.
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Using DVE I got this:

Picture 70
Brightness 52
Backlight Min
Gamma -1

Color is a bit screwed up. Live color should be avoided as it causes an even greater red shift. I have my color set to 54 right now. When I attempt to adjust Hue I get too much green shift.

I will have the set professional calibrated next month and I will report back on the Cuts and Gains as well.

Gamma -1 was definetly a good setting.
There are some White Balance settings I'm playing around with, which will hopefully fix some of the red bias.
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Found link on AVForum posted by Philips man.

Sony BRAVIA KDL-40EX700 Teardown

Sharp panel (LK400D3LA**)

Now maybe some one knows if thats a good or a bad panel
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Found link on AVForum posted by Philips man.

Sony BRAVIA KDL-40EX700 Teardown

Sharp panel (LK400D3LA**)

Now maybe some one knows if thats a good or a bad panel



Pretty cool. I have no idea what it all means.
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Pretty cool. I have no idea what it all means.

Is it translated for you or does it show up in greek?, as for me all is translated by google.
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