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It's definitely not a glossy mirror finish, and I don't think it's a matte either. It would probably fall into the semi-matte if that's something in between those two.

Thanks Civic. A matte screen will be perfect for me.
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How is the off-angle viewing? Does the picture fade or get washed out if you are watching it out on a side angle?

The off-angle viewing is definitely not as good as while sitting directly in front of the TV. I notice it sometimes when I'm sitting in the side chair in our room. Seems to get a little washed out (don't know if that's the right way to describe it).

It's not so bad that I would return the TV because of it, but it's also definitely not as good as while sitting in front of it.
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How come you turned it up? Do find the TV dim if you don't. Are you watching in a well lit room or something?

I ask because your current settings are referred to as "TORCH Mode".....basically everything cranked to make the TV have visual pop under the harsh lighting of a big box store like BB.

Usually the first thing you do is crank that stuff way down. We have very different Sony LCD sets (KDL-40D3000) but as a comparo my backlight is set at 2, picture is set at 80. Having the backlight cranked washes the colors out, makes the whites searing and washes out the blacks.

Honestly? I have no idea - just seems like I "torched" it up even more. lol

I'm admittedly an amateur when it comes to this stuff, and the brighter whites was cool to be because of how washed out the colours were in my last set. It is searing though - maybe I should turn it down...
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Hey CIVIC, would you mind taking an up close pic of your TV and seeing if the pixel structure is similar to this:

Up close pixel structure picture of the UV2A panel used in Sharp's new LX series (japan only for now):

What has led you to believe that the UV2A pixel structure is different than the XGen pixel structure?

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I'm not sure about the situation in the US.

We have LE700s and LX710s in China and Sharp China says they both have "X-GEN" panels. But according to some websites they are using different panels. The LX710s have UV2A panels while the LE700s have panels with strange pixel structure (neither ASV nor UV2A)

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What has led you to believe that the UV2A pixel structure is different than the XGen pixel structure?

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I just saw the 60 inch at my local Best Buy and I was unimpressed. Maybe it was the movie that was playing but it looked dull and washed out. I am passing on the EX700.
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I just saw the 60 inch at my local Best Buy and I was unimpressed. Maybe it was the movie that was playing but it looked dull and washed out. I am passing on the EX700.

It's part of Sony's new plan, R&D and then build and market a dull washed out display
It may not be an XBR8 but if it looked "dull and washed out" I'm going to go out on a limb and say the settings and/or the viewing environment may of had something to do with it.
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I saw it at best buy too. Your reaction is not anywhere near my reaction to it. I thought it was a very solid and impressive picture.

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I saw it at best buy too. Your reaction is not anywhere near my reaction to it. I thought it was a very solid and impressive picture.

I just got back from my local Sony Store and agree completely. This is a GOOD television.
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I just can't wait until I can calibrate this TV to get the full potential out of it.

I saw the Monster ISF(?) Calibration Disc on sale for like $20 on Ebay. I might go that route.

Watching the Olympics so far has been a dream with the 120hz on!
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research

funny. My research led me to believe that UV2A is just the name for a proprietary method for treating the alignment layer.

http://www.sharp-world.com/corporate/news/090916.html

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I just can't wait until I can calibrate this TV to get the full potential out of it.

I saw the Monster ISF(?) Calibration Disc on sale for like $20 on Ebay. I might go that route.

Watching the Olympics so far has been a dream with the 120hz on!

120hz is always on. It's the motion flow that's adjustable (high, low, on, off).
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Just returned from my local Sony Store and must admit it's a nice set. But....The off-axis picture quality is brutal. ...

The Sony store I was just in had quite subdued lighting. I certainly didn't notice the off-axis PQ as anything that would qualify as "brutal" but then I view TV from straight on. Each to his/her own I guess.
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I take back my previous statement. I went to the costco near my house this evening and they had the ex701 and it was playing a regular feed of the olympics and it wasn't bad I picked up the 46 inch and with costco I got 3 year warranty and it cost $200 less the the price I have seen the ex700 retail for on Sony.com plus the costco EX 701 comes with the wireless adaptor I don't believe the EX700 does. Great for the price
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I think the 3 year warranty offered by Costco on the 501 and 701 is going to make a big difference on where people make their purchase. Considering the purchase price and the fact that repairs can cost more than the price of a new set, all the manufacturers should step up and offer at least 3 years.
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There isn't any dejudder control. It's only Motionflow control, and it can be set to either Standard, High or Off.

I was also hoping that the new Sonys would have separate controls for motion blur and dejudder. Both the 501 and 701 at Costco both had soap opera effect on movie clips. Can you make movies look like movies?
Is Samsung the only company who offers this level of adjustment?
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Hello,
Do all of the Costco's have this TV? 700 or 500? The online store does not.

Also, anyone that has seen the 700, what are your impressions about the LED? I did read that edge lit has problems and that is why most people with Samsungs are going with the 8500, even though it's more expensive. Sony is also only coming out with edge lit this season, so it's either the 500 or 700+ with edge lit.

Thanks!
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I was also hoping that the new Sonys would have separate controls for motion blur and dejudder. Both the 501 and 701 at Costco both had soap opera effect on movie clips. Can you make movies look like movies?
Is Samsung the only company who offers this level of adjustment?

Of course you can make movies look like movies. You simply turn off Motionflow unless of course you prefer the Soap Opera Effect. In fact, Motionflow is not really needed at all if your passing BluRay as your film source as it's already a perfect 1080P at 24FPS and it's not needed in that case unless of course you prefer that Soap effect. Some movies actually have Judder as a natural element and it's so rare IMO that it is of little concern even on an antique 60Hz panel - I own four LCD TV's and have no issues with "Judder" at all, perhaps your hypersensitive to it.

I own the "Z" also and enjoyed viewing content with Motionflow as a novelty just to play with and found it interesting but turned it off for most all Blu-Ray since it can make certain film look goofy, a good example is viewing King Kong where things look more like claymation than film. Yes, Motionflow is controllable on the Sony just as it is on the Samsung.

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Hello,
Do all of the Costco's have this TV? 700 or 500? The online store does not.

Also, anyone that has seen the 700, what are your impressions about the LED? I did read that edge lit has problems and that is why most people with Samsungs are going with the 8500, even though it's more expensive. Sony is also only coming out with edge lit this season, so it's either the 500 or 700+ with edge lit.

Thanks!

Edge lit still looks good but the back light dims constanly so you either have to live with that or not
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I was also hoping that the new Sonys would have separate controls for motion blur and dejudder. Both the 501 and 701 at Costco both had soap opera effect on movie clips. Can you make movies look like movies?
Is Samsung the only company who offers this level of adjustment?

Similar effect can be achieved with Motionflow and Cinemotion.

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Hello,
Do all of the Costco's have this TV? 700 or 500? The online store does not.

Also, anyone that has seen the 700, what are your impressions about the LED? I did read that edge lit has problems and that is why most people with Samsungs are going with the 8500, even though it's more expensive. Sony is also only coming out with edge lit this season, so it's either the 500 or 700+ with edge lit.

Thanks!

Sony is coming out with a back-lit LED, HX- I believe.
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Similar effect can be achieved with Motionflow and Cinemotion.



Sony is coming out with a back-lit LED, HX- I believe.

You're correct. The HX900 will be back lit. The problems for me are that the TV will not be released until summer and the largest size is 52. Also, I'm sure if they had a 60" version of it, that it would be pretty expensive.

My choices are between the 60" EX500 and the Samsung 55" 8500.
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I have a question of all. I've heard several comments of "Soap Opera effect". As soap operas and prime time are shot with 35mm, why would that be bad when viewing as a movie shot with film or shot digitally with all efforts by directors to give their images a "film effect"?

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I was curious: what kind of mount have the EX700 owners (or maybe similar LED HDTV's) used? Amazon has some that claim to hold 60" TV's for pretty cheap, but I definitely wouldn't want to skimp on the mount for such an expensive TV.

I'm torn between the 60" EX700 and the 55" Samsung 8500....I think I'm leaning towrards +5", newer technology, and probably about $300 bucks less, but I know the Samsung 8500 is suppose to have some sweet PQ
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I was curious: what kind of mount have the EX700 owners (or maybe similar LED HDTV's) used? Amazon has some that claim to hold 60" TV's for pretty cheap, but I definitely wouldn't want to skimp on the mount for such an expensive TV.

I'm torn between the 60" EX700 and the 55" Samsung 8500....I think I'm leaning towrards +5", newer technology, and probably about $300 bucks less, but I know the Samsung 8500 is suppose to have some sweet PQ

I wouldn't say the EX700 has newer technology since it came out later. It actually uses edge lit LED with is not as good of a technology as the back lit the Samsung uses in the 8500 model. I haven't yet seen the 500 or the 700, but I have seen the 8500 multiple times and I have to say it looks amazing. The black levels and the picture quality was fantastic.
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Sorry, didn't mean newer technology, more that that it's a 2010 model. I know this doesn't necessarily make it better, but in general every generation gets better...So I'm wondering/hoping that a 2010 edgelit might be as good as a 2009 backlit...yeah, wishful thinking isn't

Glad to hear your thoughts on the 8500 though. I haven't managed to see that one in the store yet (they just have the 6000 and 8000 at my local BB).
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Well the 8500 is discontinued
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is there a firm delivery date for this tv? seems like availability is scattered. I'm on east coast here in Philly and dying to get my hands on one. My local BB looks like they are making room for them but so far nothing...
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After a day of having the EX700 I a posting some initial impressions. I will say that this TV is much better then any TV Sony have put out the last few years. It certainly is better then any model released last year except for the XBR10 since I never saw one. So far I see no backlight bleeding. Black levels are good, the backlight does dim slightly at times but nowhere as bad as the Samsung 6000,7000,8000 series. Colors are nice but nothing to right home about. Very sharp picture. I have only made some minor adjustments so far but will tweaks as time goes by. So far a solid TV.
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I went to my local Best Buy and they had the 55 EX500. To me, it was the worst looking TV. The color was very dark, was not sharp at all and the set itself was very fat. For some reason, the 46" one looked decent, but still worse than the others around it. The 55 may have some bad settings, but the employee told me that they leave the TVs as is when they take it out. Maybe he was mistaken. They didn't have the 700 on display for me to see.
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