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Maybe a little early, but I know at least one other person that already got this TV, and I have one at home now too.

I have the 60" version.

I'm hoping some of the video guru's out there will get this set, test it, and come up with a great setting that I can use! I'm not great with that kind of stuff, so right now I'm just using the Standard setting, with the backlight all the way up and 120hz on for gaming and sports / off for movies (unless it's a documentary style).

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Congrats for your new TV.
Any impressions concerning fast movement in games and also movies in blu-ray?
Any clouds visible in dark scenes?
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Looks like there is already a firmware update for this model. Update at your own risk........

Does not look like a major update.

Results For KDL-60EX700

"Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG1.077AAL) provides the following benefit:

* Resolves an issue where the TV's clock may reset and the electronic program guide information may not be synchronized with the actual time."
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Does your new sony have separate controls for motion blur and dejudder like samsung does? Are you able to turn dejudder off and still get the benefits of 120 hz, or is dejudder blundled with the 120hz like last year?

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Congrats for your new TV.
Any impressions concerning fast movement in games and also movies in blu-ray?
Any clouds visible in dark scenes?

I play Modern Warfare 2, and it is absolutely beautiful. I can't discern any "input lag." I'm no professional though.

Blu Ray's are gorgeous as well. The blacks are deep, the whites are bright. I have the settings set to Standard so it hasn't been calibrated, I'm sure there's room for improvement.

I haven't noticed the "clouding" effect, but maybe it's because I'm not looking for it. It doesn't stand out to me.
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Looks like there is already a firmware update for this model. Update at your own risk........

Does not look like a major update.

Results For KDL-60EX700

"Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Televisions software update process to be customer friendly. This software update (version PKG1.077AAL) provides the following benefit:

* Resolves an issue where the TV's clock may reset and the electronic program guide information may not be synchronized with the actual time."

Thanks for the info!
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Does your new sony have separate controls for motion blur and dejudder like samsung does? Are you able to turn dejudder off and still get the benefits of 120 hz, or is dejudder blundled with the 120hz like last year?

thanks

There isn't any dejudder control. It's only Motionflow control, and it can be set to either Standard, High or Off.
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2K8CivicSI...you may be the lone wolf for a while but I look forward following this thread, you're comments, and the additional pictures you are planning to post...buddy
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I plan to buy either the 40" EX700 or the NX700. Has anyone seen these side by side? NX700 list is $300 more than the EX700.

Most features are the same except:

ex700
"S-Master" ????
Ambient Sensor
Wireless LAN "Ready"
2 component inputs
HDMI PC Yes
32.9 lbs. w/out pedestal
Presence Sensor

nx700
Deep Black Panel ????
Wireless LAN
"Upward Style" ????
1 component input
HDMI PC Yes (see owner's manual for supported timings) ???
uses 2 watts more power
42.9 lbs. w/out pedestal
Internet widgets
LightSensor Technology

I don't think I care about the internet widgets, but the built in wifi on the NX700 is appealing. Biggest question for me is the "Deep Black Panel" on the NX, and the nearly 10 lb. weight difference. Does anyone know what "Deep Black Panel" is? Could it account for the greater weight?
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The suspicion is (although not confirmed) is that the NX series could utilize UV2A panels. If this proves to be true than the extra $300 is well worth it.
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Hey CIVIC, would you mind taking an up close pic of your TV and seeing if the pixel structure is similar to this:

Up close pixel structure picture of the UV2A panel used in Sharp's new LX series (japan only for now):

My Home Theater
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Went to Costco today and I saw the Ex701 on display. Same TV as the EX700. It looked very nice. I did see however that the screen does dim when the screen gets dark as is known with Edge lit LED tv's. Also worth noting is the TV cost 200 hundred less at costco then I saw the EX700 price at the Sonystyle store.
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"Sony calls the LCD panels used in its HX800 models Deep Black Panel. Its employs a special low reflection non-glare coated panel for improved contrast with minimum glare.

Samsung 65F8000, 60D8000, 40HU6350, Panasonic 50E60 LCD's
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Hey CIVIC, would you mind taking an up close pic of your TV and seeing if the pixel structure is similar to this:

Up close pixel structure picture of the UV2A panel used in Sharp's new LX series (japan only for now):

I tried taking pictures, but my camera (Sony DSC-T20), doesn't show that much detail!

Visually looking at it, the pixels do look similar to that picture. Blue, Green, Red rows vertically, small like that. I don't know what else to really look for. The pixels look pretty much the same too.

I did take some pictures of some of the menu settings, and same with the remote but those didn't come out so good. I'll post them in a second - just need to upload them to photobucket.
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Crappy remote pics, but I guess you get the idea;




This is the best I could get from my camera of the pixels;



Please don't tell me about my crappy photography skills, unfortunately they didn't teach me that during my finance classes.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you need to change those settings
Thanks for the pictures btw!
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you need to change those settings
Thanks for the pictures btw!

No problem buddy.

My camera has settings?
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No problem buddy.

My camera has settings?

No, I meant the television settings.
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I just want to know about its motion resolution.

btw, the tv looks nice.

Coming soon...
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No, I meant the television settings.

Well then! You're absolutely right though, it's set at Standard, basically the same way it was out of the box. I think the only thing I did was turn up the backlight.

Just waiting for one of our TV guru's to figure out some good settings.
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I got one coming in 7-14 business days, I will try and get a close up with my macro lens.. if someone doesn't get a close up shot first.

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The settings look like how a lousy retailer would set them: for maximum brightness, contrast and gain. That's not what you want. Get one of the video setup Blu-ray discs and it will help you adjust those settings. Bring the R, G, B gain, backlight and picture back down to the center setting and start from there. Give you eyes a chance to get used to the new settings. If you want to begin before you get a setup disc, put in a BD movie and concentrate on getting the flesh tones and the blacks right. And remember that a movie is not supposed to look like a soap opera - it's supposed to look like film: warm and deep with somewhat limited contrast. That will get you into the ballpark.
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i would like to know if the sony ex700 series presents the high quality

picture that is virtually identical to the samsung led models---

6000,7000,8000.etc.

if so,i feel that this tv would be a spectacular bargain given the size,price

performance ratio.
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Can you let me know if EX700 screen is matte/semi-matte or glossy mirror finish?
I am looking to buy the 52EX700!
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Can you let me know if EX700 screen is matte/semi-matte or glossy mirror finish?
I am looking to buy the 52EX700!

It's definitely not a glossy mirror finish, and I don't think it's a matte either. It would probably fall into the semi-matte if that's something in between those two.
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Has anyone compared it to a Z5100 or XBR9? Is it better or worse PQ-wise?
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Is the 700 series worth $500 more than the 500 series? The differences are bravia engine 3 vs 2, LED edge vs CCFL backlighting, and internet/dnla stuff and auto dimming / power off on the 700's.

Hmmmm... that is alot of extras now that I think about it.

I guess what it comes down to then is the LED edge vs CCFL backlight. Pro's? Con's?
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2K8CivicSI,

How is the off-angle viewing? Does the picture fade or get washed out if you are watching it out on a side angle?
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There's a 60" EX700 at my BB. Off-axis viewing seems to have gotten a little worse (minimal but noticeable) than the CCFLs. May be more noticeable in a home setting.
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Well then! You're absolutely right though, it's set at Standard, basically the same way it was out of the box. I think the only thing I did was turn up the backlight.

How come you turned it up? Do find the TV dim if you don't. Are you watching in a well lit room or something?

I ask because your current settings are referred to as "TORCH Mode".....basically everything cranked to make the TV have visual pop under the harsh lighting of a big box store like BB.

Usually the first thing you do is crank that stuff way down. We have very different Sony LCD sets (KDL-40D3000) but as a comparo my backlight is set at 2, picture is set at 80. Having the backlight cranked washes the colors out, makes the whites searing and washes out the blacks.
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