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Three sets that you might want to consider. The Sony 70w850b is a 2014 model and uses Sony's X-Reality Pro engine. It is active 3d and gets a very nice picture. It is usually available for between $2,000 and $2200. Also consider the Samsung UN75H6350 which should also fall in your price range. If you can live with 65" consider reading the Amazon reviews for the Sony 65w850a. Sometimes available for under $1500.
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Awesome and I thank you for your suggestions. I will be looking at them online/reviews.

There are so many different TVs and models ...it becomes mind numbing.

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Hi All. Need some advice, as I'm torn between the 60UNF8000 and the 55XBR-X900A

Found really great deals on both (clearance prices). The XBR is $100 more than the Samsung. Have ordered both and need to decided and pick up 1 of them and cancel the other.


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Have an onkyo htib.
I primarily watch sports and blu-rays and play sports games on PS3.

I did try the 65W850A and had to return the set due to the banding it had when watching sports and cable.

I saw both the X900A in store (took a blu-ray with me) and it looked fantastic. Looked better than the W850a for sure. I was unable to see the F8000, as they already discontinued -- my set will be shipping from the warehouse to the store for pickup.
f8000 is good set to be sure most reviewers give the Sony X900A a slight edge nothing wrong with the f8000 though

1080p 64f8500 Samsung plasma is going to have the best picture in that size IMO without all the usual LED isues.
I have a new Sony LED ( not a 9X Sony though) very good , a year old Samsung plasma noticeably better .

Another thing to consider is HDMI 2.0 UHD 4K
3840 x 2160p /60 support on those sets Sony was supposed to come up, with a firmware update Samsung might have an upgraded brain box available HDMI 1.4 only supports 3840 x 2160p /30. Sony has Triluminous good for 4K and *maybe* 1080p

Sound and visions comments on 65 X900A and Samsung 65 8000 LED .

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"2K Comparisons Sony x900A
For a side-by-side comparison, I fortunately had two first-tier 60-inch plasma sets in house: Samsung’s new PN60F8500 and a Pioneer Kuro PRO-141FD. The latter was the top model in Pioneer’s last generation of plasmas (2009), which many experts still consider the flat-screen HDTV to beat in some important respects, particularly black level."
"The Sony kept up with the other two sets nearly step for step in both black level and shadow detail. It was, for example, hard to fault in dark scenes from The Hobbit and The Avengers. Only on the most challenging material, such as the darkest scenes from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 or Prometheus, did the Pioneer significantly beat the other two sets. "
more, http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...lcd-ultra-hdtv
That's one of the best endorsements one could give not much I can add to that . Some here at AVS like the X900A bettter than this years replacement 9x set.

Sound and visions comments on the Sammy 8K LED

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"Samsung’s F8000 Series represents an evolutionary leap in the company’s LCD TV offerings. Forget for a moment its elegant design, well-implemented Smart features, and unique remote control. The real triumph of this set is that it overcomes many of LCD’s past picture-quality hurdles: Samsung has finally delivered a minimal-compromise alternative to plasma. At $2,700, that goodness doesn’t come cheap, but if you’re on the lookout for one of the best-performing LCDs available—one with a very appealing mix of Smart features—you won’t be disappointed"
more , http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...cd-hdtv-page-2
Both are excellent sets (and probably good choices ) but if the X900A can run with the plamas that's a good argument in itself .
X900A uses an LGD S -IPS s panel those have good fine picture detail but not necessarily as black sometimes as a Samsung VA panel although in the case of the x900A review (s) Sony may have found a clever work around,that wouldn't be at all surprising considering Sony expertise at videoprocessioning check the owners forums here always good stuff in those .

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Three sets that you might want to consider. The Sony 70w850b is a 2014 model and uses Sony's X-Reality Pro engine. It is active 3d and gets a very nice picture. It is usually available for between $2,000 and $2200. Also consider the Samsung UN75H6350 which should also fall in your price range. If you can live with 65" consider reading the Amazon reviews for the Sony 65w850a. Sometimes available for under $1500.
Confusing, whats the difference between the KDL-70W840B and KDL-70W850B?

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let us know what you get.
For now, nothing -- sticking with my 32" IPS Panasonic. Anything over 37" has been vetoed, and viewing angle is just too critical to compromise (living room is 26' x 11' -- old house -- and setting it up with the TV at one of the short ends doesn't work, e.g., would block french doors to patio). The size limit isn't even crazy given very limited space between fireplace and windows (where the HVAC vents are too). Over-fireplace mount could possibly fit a larger TV and would be OK with wife, but personally I hate looking up at TV.

Sigh, I love my wife, but have never met anyone so unaffected by video/audio quality. She basically shrugged at the change from an off-brand old CRT to an HD flat panel, and is fine listening to music through her mono clock radio.

Anyway, I'll get another 32" for the basement as a secondary TV, but that will be easy.
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Confusing, whats the difference between the KDL-70W840B and KDL-70W850B?

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Not familiar with the 840 but the 830 is Costco's version of the 850. Probably allows Costco not to have to price match. I'm not saying that Sony makes a better set the the other major manufactures, but those manufactures tend to use high quality parts and we all know that parts is not parts.
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Hoping to get some help and suggestions. Upgrading from a 58" Panasonic tcp-vt25.

Looking for a "70-"80 screen in the $2500-3500 range. Low end I know.

I live in a one bedroom apartment. Living room is square shaped. Windows are behind the seating/couch. I usualky have the blinds closed. So not much direct sunlight. And during winter , oct-April or May, generally darker weather. I live in the Pacific Northwest. Lots of rain.

I mostly watch sporting events, concerts and blu ray. As well xbox one etc. Apple TV and roku.

My seating area is approximately 10ft.

I was comparing the sharp SQ 70" quattron +

What are the competitors in this level?

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Since you are already spoiled by plasma you wont like anything less than an 64f8500 Samsung PDP trust me ☺
(if you can find one some are going for between 2+ and 3 large ) Amazon only has 5 at 3 large better hurry

If you must have a plastic rather than a real glass TV ☺Andy Sullivan's suggestions above are very good

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Oh gosh, really? Plasma better picture? Now I am thinking maybe I should stick with what I have.

Guess I need to do much more research.

Why did Panasonic stop or going to stop making plasma screens?
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Oh gosh, really? Plasma better picture? Now I am thinking maybe I should stick with what I have.

Guess I need to do much more research.

Why did Panasonic stop or going to stop making plasma screens?
The Samsung 64f8500 is really a kind of revolutionary plasma because it can get so bright. Nothing else quite like it. Samsung has announced the cesation of their plasma business for the 2014 model year. They will no longer manufacture plasma displays for the same reason Panasonic stopped and the same reason Pioneer stopped selling plasma's. They just flat could not make an acceptable profit. Towards the end of last year you could pick up a Panasonic 65st60 for 2 grand. Add in the difficulty of producing a market required 4k plasma, they just decided to join the 4k LED/LCD crowd and make some money. For plasma that leaves LG for the short term. Short term because LG is the only company selling a OLED TV today.
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So what's better buy

Vizio 70 m series for 1900
Or
Sony 70 850b for 2000
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So what's better buy

Vizio 70 m series for 1900
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Personally I would buy the Sony I haven't seen anything from Visio that exceeds the W600B Sony Bravia yet, much less an 8.5 x Sony ! and there is the other thing ................ about the unknown quality of the parts inside the Vizio.

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Ya may be canceling my order and getting the Sony ... 3d isn't a big issue for me more concerned with blu rays , sports and gaming . Although the wedge design is useless to me .
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The Samsung 64f8500 is really a kind of revolutionary plasma because it can get so bright. Nothing else quite like it. Samsung has announced the cesation of their plasma business for the 2014 model year. They will no longer manufacture plasma displays for the same reason Panasonic stopped and the same reason Pioneer stopped selling plasma's. They just flat could not make an acceptable profit. Towards the end of last year you could pick up a Panasonic 65st60 for 2 grand. Add in the difficulty of producing a market required 4k plasma, they just decided to join the 4k LED/LCD crowd and make some money. For plasma that leaves LG for the short term. Short term because LG is the only company selling a OLED TV today.
In your personal opinion...is there really any reason I should upgrade? Just wonder if 6" really makes a big difference compared to price lol. Maybe I should wait 3-5 yrs when the latest technology comes down in price?

Thanks for your opinion.
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Remember now, you asked for my personal opinion. For me the difference in going up to a 70 inch is like moving from a V6 to a V8. At your viewing distance you don't NEED it but for me it's like a wonderful new world. For one thing, you may as well get used to the LCD because you'll probably never see a plasma again even from LG in a couple of years, maybe as early as next year. Your plasma is a very nice 58" Panasonic. I've set dozens of those up and I really like them. Maybe it's a guy thing but we don't usually replace anything because we have to. We do it because we want to. TV's and cars. Women just don't understand us. Go with the Sony 70w850b and don't discount 3D. It's fun and it's unique and the set comes with 4 pair of 3d glasses. Go out and buy Avatar and Hugo and Life of Pi. If that's the only 3D movies you ever own they will be all you need to show off 3D to your friends. Gravity is pretty good too. Boring movie but nice 3D.
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Hahhaha thanks. I appreciate your honesty. I thought you were going to say stick with the plasma lol.

You threw me a curve ball

I do have those 3d movies and a few others. But have yet to watch them. I remember the Panny tv had a special offer when it came out. Free avatar movie 3d with purchase. Not for sale release.

Thanks again!

I don't know if it's a canada thing but I see two sony

70" W840B LED HDTV
And
70” W850B LED HDTV

I compared and couldn't really notice any difference. Any idea on this?
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For now, nothing -- sticking with my 32" IPS Panasonic. Anything over 37" has been vetoed,

Sigh, I love my wife, but have never met anyone so unaffected by video/audio quality. She basically shrugged at the change from an off-brand old CRT to an HD flat panel, and is fine listening to music through her mono clock radio.
What do you think the wife is worth on a trade in for a new TV?

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thanks for the suggestions guys , going for the LG.
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48W600B Sony $649.00 or 50W800B Sony $999.00
How does the 48W600B handle 24p content? I assume it's a 3:2 pulldown, does it work well or is there judder?
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Ya may be canceling my order and getting the Sony ... 3d isn't a big issue for me more concerned with blu rays , sports and gaming . Although the wedge design is useless to me .
I just came into this thread to ask your EXACT same question! Great minds...

FYI, Costco has the 70W850B available online for $2500 with free shipping and a $500 discount (for a total of $2000+tax).

Even if you don't have a Costco membership it might be worth your while to purchase one just to take advantage of the 90 day no questions asked return policy (with a brick and mortar return option). Following release quite a few folks in the XX850B thread have had to return their display for a replacement due to vertical banding issues (some of which were resolved with a replacement). Here is the link to that thread:

Official Sony KDL-XXW850B thread

Having the option to drive it over to Costco could save a ton of hassle if you decide that it isn't for you, or you get a lemon.


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Looking for a tv for our outdoor pool pavilion. 70 or 80" TV. The tv will be cased in a cypress or cedar cabinet with top venting like is showed in attachments. I may put a control cabinet heater in it to keep moisture out of it. I will using direct tv or apple tv for content.

1. Budget $3000.00 or so.
2. Seating distance 8-30'
3. Size/placement limitations. Placed on brick wall inside a cabinet that will have doors shut when not in use. I may put a control cabinet heater in it to keep moisture out of it.
4. Uses and sources. Watch football games, Watch Nascar races, etc. Direct high def and apple tv
5 inch5. Room lighting well lit during day.

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With a 30' seating distance go big or go home !

80 inch Vizio $2999.99

Sharp LC80LE642U 80-Inch 1080p 120Hz $2999.99


Sony XBR79X900B 79-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D LED TV brightest of the bright 900-1000 nit panel (might be able to get warm in front of it on a cold day when you get out of the pool ! ☺ )
3x budget but by the looks of the place $ 8998.99 shouldent be out of the question but then it is a lot of money for a pool pavillion TV and all just thought I would add it in it's a 4K Sony too!
How big is the pool?

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How does the 48W600B handle 24p content? I assume it's a 3:2 pulldown, does it work well or is there judder?
24p/3:2 pulldown no problem all you do is set cine motion at auto and leave it there it does the rest for you when it looks at the frames and senses film content after all Sony makes movies you didn't think they would leave that out right ? Judder should be no prob Its a 120Hz panel with additional control options up to 240Hz for that Sony says it has " this 24p True Cinema Technology" Has Samsung SPVA panel .
My 2013 Sony has same thing works good . Probably the best 48" LCD out there .

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Hi,
I'm looking for a second TV set for use in my bedroom.

Just to give an idea, I'm currently using a Panasonic TC-P54S1 (54" plasma) in my living room, that I purchased back in late 2009 I think. I'm house hunting to move out of an apartment and will likely replace that set at some point after moving. That one will get relegated to use in another area of the home.

I'd like to get something in the 50" range for the bedroom. I don't really need plasma, I'm ok with the advance in picture quality on LED sets recently. I'd prefer local dimming, but I think edge lit is more practical in my price range.

I'd like to stay around $800, but I'm willing to jump up a bit if it's for a significant quality jump. Set useage will be either cable or content streaming(via Chromecast or some other device). I have no interest in 3D at all. I also am not terribly concerned about Smart TV capabilities. I'd say 3HDMI inputs is minimum. Wifi vs ethernet is not a concern for me.

I'd prefer to buy locally if possible, or via Amazon. I don't mind spending an extra $100 to buy from Best Buy, if it means I can deal directly with a store for the convenience of returns or any issues in the first few weeks. Amazon is a second possibility, as I have a prime membership, but I'd really prefer a local brick and mortar retailer if possible. I'm in the Cincinnati, OH area. There is no Fry's less than 2 hrs from me(but I imagine I could get a Best Buy to come close to if not actually price matching them).

I saw the KDL50W800B on sale for $800 on BuyDig. It's $1k at Best Buy, figure I might get them down under $900. But I feel I'm paying for 3D and Smart TV features on that one, that I'm not interested in, so not sure it's the best I can muster.
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ullnd wrote,

I saw the KDL50W800B on sale for $800 on BuyDig. It's $1k at Best Buy, figure I might get them down under $900. But I feel I'm paying for 3D and Smart TV features on that one, that I'm not interested in, so not sure it's the best I can muster.

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KDL50W800B will probably give the best 50" picture

OTOH the Samsung UN55f6300 LCD ,48 W600 Sony ,LG Electronics 50LN5700 or 50l2400U Toshiba are good less expensive alternatives
Toshiba 50l24000 /50l1400U scores an average of 4.7 (high ) on BB consumer reviews Sony 4.5 (allowing for statistical variations and loons about the same ) I don't know about the Samsung 6xxx score I'm sure it's good they are decent I almost bought one but couldn't find one with the right panel (s) it made a visual difference to *me* having seen the Sammys both ways .

Ended up with a 2013 Sony with a decent Samsung VA panel 4700:1 contrast good blacks no regrets .
OTOH the Real TV around here is a Sammy 60f5300 PDP ☺.

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24p/3:2 pulldown no problem all you do is set cine motion at auto and leave it there it does the rest for you when it looks at the frames and senses film content after all Sony makes movies you didn't think they would leave that out right ? Judder should be no prob Its a 120Hz panel with additional control options up to 240Hz for that Sony says it has " this 24p True Cinema Technology" Has Samsung SPVA panel .
My 2013 Sony has same thing works good . Probably the best 48" LCD out there .
It's 120Hz? Everything I'm seeing says the 600B is a 60Hz panel with 240Hz enhancements and that the 800B is 120Hz panel with 480Hz enhancements.
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Hi everyone. We just purchased a new home and currently in renovation phase. I plan on purchasing a new living room tv in the next month or so. Thanks for your help.

1. Budget
$2,500 after tax. I'd like no smaller than a 65"

2. Seating distance
about 10-15ft

3. Size/placement limitations
wall mounted in the living room and will most likely be turned towards the sofa area at about a 45 degree angle

4. Uses and sources

Mostly used for sports, some video games and lots of netflix

5. Room lighting
nothing near the tv. just lamps near the sofas.
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Jarlib, my best suggestion is to go to Amazon and read the reviews for the Sony 65w850a and the Sony 70w850b. Thoose are my best choices for you.
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1. Budget: ~$500
2. Seating distance: 5-6 feet
3. Size/placement limitations: Mounted on wall
4. Uses and sources: 90% console gaming (PS4,XB1), 10% other (Movies, TV Shows streaming)
5. Room lighting: very little

I think I have it narrowed down to a 40"/42" with the contenders being: KDL40W600B, UN40H6350, 42LB6300, M401i-A3

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Question artifacts?

Question: do all LED/LCD screens provide "artifacts"? I viewed a demo video at Bestbuy yesterday on a TV, don't remember which one but it was an LED. And I could totally notice quite abit of artifacts around bike tires etc. Quite prevalent.

I currently have a plasma and don't think I ever notice this.

Is this common with all LEDs in the $3000 or so range?

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Not sure which thread this belongs in.....At my local TigerDirect I saw a 60" Vizio floor model M602I-B3 going for $680, includes power cord and remote. Is this a good purchase? I haven't bought a TV since 2004 so any advice is welcome. Also I know I should buy the warranty with square trade. Having never bought a warranty with them can anyone hook me up with a discount code?
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Best TV I Can Get, Budget $3300, Size 65"

Hey guys,

My living room LN55B640 LCD is dead. Looking to replace it with a 65". What's the best tv for around 3300.00. I watch sports, movies and very rarely game.

Thanks for the help!
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