Originally Posted by Ftoast
In short, can a VA or other high-contrast panel keep a good image out to 25-30degrees horizontal off-center?
If not, are there any high-contrast panels (perhaps IPS) that can?
I do not know of any current TVs with VA panels with a viewing angle of greater than 20 degrees. Most are close to 15 degrees. This is not problem for IPS TVs but as you point out contrast will be lower. Most IPS sets have contrast ratios less than 1000:1. Your best bet would be an IPS TV with local dimming or an OLED. Unfortunately, both of those will be outside your budget.
Originally Posted by inpanzinator
I need to upgrade my 720p TV to a new TV.
Seating distance: 5 feet
Uses and Sources: TV box (via HDMI) (SD and HD channels)
Room lighting: Standard room lighting. One big window on the side. Maybe some glare from the window in the afternoon.
For 4K/UHD look at the Vizio M-series. For 1080p I like the Sony 50W800C.
Originally Posted by Russ Rubman
I am looking to buy an LCD in the 70" + category and I want great contrast. Nice deep blacks.
OLED is out at that size so I am looking at SUHD and FALD technologies but I only have a $6K budget
Wait for the Sony X940C to go on sale? The only other option is the Vizio M but the local dimming systems on those get less effective as they get larger because the number of zones stays constant.
Originally Posted by pm dureska
dalto et al and the other more learned members of this board explain to me why I would want the upgradable aspect of the Sammy JS8500 for future HDR and WCG? I am still in a quandary about which tv to get. I like the idea of being to upgrade equipment to be somewhat future proof but future proof against what? I get that a 4k tv when given 4k content to display is superior to 1080p yes? Assuming that in the next few years we will have a lot more 4k content to stream, download, display etc. does that mean if I get let's say a Vizio M or P series (current models) or a Sammy Ju7100 or even a Sony XBR850C that these TV's will be less capable of displaying a great picture 4 years from now because they lack HDR and WCG (I think the Sony has WCG but no HDR) and upgradability as compared to the way they display 4k content now versus one another, i.e. while the JS8500 has a superior picture as rated by many, its not an earthshaking difference amongst all these models but say 4 years from now because it is upgradable the differences in picture quality will become way more striking amongst these models assuming other parameters stay the same? I know this question asks for a bit of speculation but I don't think I can fully grasp what all the technology changes actually mean. Thanks
There are two things here worthy of discussion.
First the Samsung JS8500 you mention has something called the one connect mini box. What this is a small box that holds most of the ports for the TV. The theory behind the box is that if the industry moves to HDMI 3.0 or displayport or some other interface technology you can simply buy a new interface box from Samsung and continue to have support on your TV. Given that HDMI bandwidth is currently a limiting technology factor it is not unreasonable to believe that there will be some new technology in this space in the next few years.
Next is the fact that the Samsung has support already for some future looking technologies. Namely, WCG/HFR/HDR. This is where things start to get more controversial. The reason is that those things don't make the picture better in and of themselves. They require content which is specifically encoded to support it. Speculatively, I don't think that HFR is going to be huge anytime soon. At least not for film/TV. It requires filming with special cameras and some people don't like the effect it delivers. WCG/HDR on the other hand, I think will become more prevalent in movies. Sooner rather than later. If you stream content or are planning to invest in UHD BD than this stuff will be available soon. Then the question becomes how much will we see them used in TV and games. Honestly, I don't know.
Ultimately, there is no clear answer here. Things you need to ask yourself include
- How long do I keep TVs?
- Am I mostly just watching cable/satellite or do I stream and watch a lot movies?
- How much critical viewing do I do? Do I notice things like overall contrast levels or am I more of a casual viewer.
Originally Posted by Vorkosigan
1. Budget: <$1000
2. Seating distance: about 13 feet
3. Size/placement limitations: The only spot for it in a corner above a gas fireplace. (It will be on a swingarm mount.) I do not have the exact dimensions yet. They currently have a 42" tv there, but it was from when the bezels were larger. I think they may be able to get a 48" tv in there now.
4. Uses and sources: Primarily Directv and my Mom watches a lot of sports, especially football and baseball. They do have an HD DVD player hooked up to it as well, and 1 or 2 extra HDMI ports would probably be a good idea.
5. Room lighting: I would have to say it's a bright room.
I think if they can get a 4k tv that would be a good idea, though I'm not sure if it really matters. My mom is the primary watcher of that tv and where she sits is not at the optimal viewing angle, but I wouldn't consider it an extreme angle either. Glare from ceiling lights could be an issue.
I also should mention that they are probably not nearly as picky about the picture quality as I am. (My Dad still watches dvd's.) I think they would notice if the picture was really bad, though.
Originally Posted by Kcraig1213
New to the AVS Forum--wow some SUPER info!!!
Looking at upgrading up to a 65" 4k for my main living room. Budget $1500-1800. I watch a lot of sports--football, golf, tennis, etc so want a TV with the least amount of motion blur and a great crisp clear picture. Do not watch a ton of movies, do not play games and do not care about 3D. Note: I have DirectTV.
The two TVs I have been looking at/researching are the Vizio M65-C1 and the Samsung JU7100 65. Have had great success with my old 51" Samsung Plasma Smart TV (nothing beats a plasma for sports/fast action movement) and like their SmartHub TV platform.
Can anyone compare or suggest which of the above would be best for watching sports? Or I'm also open to other suggestions in the $1500-$1800 range. Thanks in advance for the assistance--
The JU7100 is slightly better. It has all full bandwidth HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 ports, one connect mini for future upgradability and 3D.
That being said, the Vizio M65-C1 is also very good and has a basic FALD system.
However, I am a little confused as the Samsung seems like it is completely outside your budget.