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You mean smaller screen 120hz rubbish then
Why u say that? My biggest thing is motion blur. If I can get one that handles that I'll be OK.dont really care about brightness

This Vizio is 120 Hz

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I don't know which Samsung you're talking about. But the 850D pretty terrible if you ask me. Worst black levels and contrast of any tv. Sure it maybe has better viewing angles. But even with odd angle viewing the vizio looks better still. The input lag is also the worst out there.


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Well it is handicapped by an IPS s panel so it may not be remarkable for movies in dark or near dark room like my arguably better 2015 Sony X850C VA panel but it ain't that bad out of the dark and any 55" Vizio P half way HDR TV is an IPS panel as well so being a Vizio and IPS panel makes the 55" Vizio P rubbush below an arguably better Sony X850D or the 55 Samsung (IPS panel) and 55" LG (IPS panel) anyway and not only that they charge more for it now than the other 3 tier one brands

Vizio is delusional ...they never made a good premuim TV and that over hyped Vizio R thing was still born not that bright for that money and maybe no HDMI 2.0a and now Le ECO owns Vizio and Le Eco makes rubbish TV's and smart phones and re sells content

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Why u say that? My biggest thing is motion blur. If I can get one that handles that I'll be OK.dont really care about brightness

This Vizio is 120 Hz

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-48...&ref=194&loc=1


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( 48" is a Samsung VA panel size ) but all the 55" Vizio are IPS panel ,same thing at LG,Sony and Samsung now that's why I'm glad I got the arguably better than all these TV's or any Vizio on the planet 2015 Samsung VA 3D panel Sony XBR 55X850C

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I don't know which Samsung you're talking about.


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Samsung Model: UN55KS8000FXZA that thing is better than any Vizio on the planet and arguably better than the Sony X850D , LG 55H7700 and My Sony X850C

MY Bad ..this 55"55KS8000 Samsung has a VA Panel and its right around what you pay for the overpriced 55" Vizio P half way HDR TV and the Samsung KS 8000 is all the Way : 1472 cd/m2 Nit War Monster HDR


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They have this one for 567

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They have this one for 567

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Rubbish 60Hz IPS panel get the Samsung and live with 60hz VA panel

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see if they have a cheap 49" Sony XBR X 800D those are 4K HDR ready ,wide color gamut VA Triluminous panel and decent they just ain't 1000 NIT HDR but they play HDR in an HDR picture mode It's basically a smaller X850C but a year newer and that ain't a bad thing

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I'll look online. I left without anything right now. Just can't justify paying those prices on something I don't really want if that makes sense

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I'll look online. I left without anything right now. Just can't justify paying those prices on something I don't really want if that makes sense

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My bad anyway the 49" X800D is IPS panel the 43" is VA panel but that $399.00 Hisense H8C looks like a value play it's normally $549 and it has a VA panel

You always gonna want something better and bigger thats how it is but I got a steal on a 2013 refurbisd set on E bay feb 2014 and the thing was looking new new and untouched with the factory plastic on it you might see a 2015 like all that

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Well the thing is I just want a plasma but can't find a decent one that's 1080 close to me. Lol.

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Well the thing is I just want a plasma but can't find a decent one that's 1080 close to me. Lol.

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yea and if an X-Y board goes out like some them do you ain't gonna be liking that $$$$

maybe a 2015 refurb LCD on E bay you can get over like that sometimes and free shipping too just use a top rated seller

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Ya but plasma has no motion blur and that's my biggest factor

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Ya but plasma has no motion blur and that's my biggest factor

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yea I know I have one in my sig along with some mild screen burn in still visible on white from gaming static images and ESPN ..

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we don't game on it much since maybe 2013 -2014 but sure motion was a breeze on that it's like a 600 Hz [native] refresh rate on an LCD

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Ya but plasma has no motion blur and that's my biggest factor

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maybe a Game PC and a fast TFT game screen

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Hello!
I have the Sony 40W600B which is a good 1080p TV for gaming, I wanted to get a Sony 4K TV but it looks like Sony in my country is not bringing new models (X800D).
So my only choice is samsung for my budget, they have actually an offer on the 50KU7000 for only 630$.
I play PC games with a brand new GTX 1070 which is capable of 1440p@60 with Ultra settings with most new games and 4k@60 with 2015 and older games, I am actually running them with DSR 1440 and 4k on my Sony which gives pretty good results, though will the 50KU7000 give me obviously better image quality or should I wait one more year to get an SUHD model for the same price?
Also are the KU7000 solid enough or there are some cases of burned panels? I am asking because I had a very bad experience with a 40F6400 TV which had 2 burned panels the first 2 years I bought it, I say never again I buy a samsung TV but now that Sony won't bring new models here, it's the only choice at this price tag, LG 4ks are junk unless I get very expensive Oled ones.
So is the 50KU7000 a good choice to replace my 40W600B or should I wait?
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I'm thinking about a 4K set right now coming from a panasonic 60" plasma. I need viewing angles to be good up to 45 degrees and have good color so I assume I'm looking at an IPS but I'm way behind on tv tech so if there's something else that will work i'm open to ideas. viewing distance is about 10-12 in medium light to dark, looking for 60"+ for about $1500 or less and will use for movies and pc games in 4k or 1440p if my video card can't handle it. i appreciate good responsiveness for gaming but i won't be playing any twitch shooters on it so it doesn't need to be quite as fast as a gaming pc monitor. just action/adventure games with a controller. if my price isn't doable just say so and i'll try to come up with some more cash if there's no other way. if it helps, i use a benq BL2711U monitor on my pc and it looks fantastic. http://www.benq.us/product/monitor/bl2711u/features/ if i could have this in 60" I'd be very happy.

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I'm thinking about a 4K set right now coming from a panasonic 60" plasma. I need viewing angles to be good up to 45 degrees and have good color so I assume I'm looking at an IPS but I'm way behind on tv tech so if there's something else that will work i'm open to ideas. viewing distance is about 10-12 in medium light to dark, looking for 60"+ for about $1500 or less and will use for movies and pc games in 4k or 1440p if my video card can't handle it. i appreciate good responsiveness for gaming but i won't be playing any twitch shooters on it so it doesn't need to be quite as fast as a gaming pc monitor. just action/adventure games with a controller. if my price isn't doable just say so and i'll try to come up with some more cash if there's no other way. if it helps, i use a benq BL2711U monitor on my pc and it looks fantastic. http://www.benq.us/product/monitor/bl2711u/features/ if i could have this in 60" I'd be very happy.
-your video card can't handle it. OK, maybe it can but I doubt it
-4K isn't really and improvement over 1080p. HDR is an improvement
-HDR10 is not as good as Dolby HDR for TVs that don't get 1000 nit. 1000 nit is pricey.
-Dolby HDR requires the hardware to be in the set.


I think this means you are looking an an OLED or a Vizio P 55
Why get rid of the plasma now? In a model year or two the TVs available may better suit your need.
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-your video card can't handle it. OK, maybe it can but I doubt it
-4K isn't really and improvement over 1080p. HDR is an improvement
-HDR10 is not as good as Dolby HDR for TVs that don't get 1000 nit. 1000 nit is pricey.
-Dolby HDR requires the hardware to be in the set.


I think this means you are looking an an OLED or a Vizio P 55
Why get rid of the plasma now? In a model year or two the TVs available may better suit your need.
I have to disagree about 4k not being an improvement. i just got my 4k monitor a few days ago and now 1080p looks disgusting. I came from a 1440p monitor of the same size and it did look quite good but 4k is like silk. honestly it still needs a tiny bit of AA for tiny distant details in games like the leaves of a swaying tree or things like that but it's very close to perfection and this is from 2 feet away. You're half right about my video card though. I have a 980ti amp extreme which is a very powerful card but I still can't play with AA in tomb raider and I have to turn down the resolution to 1440p in Battlefield 1 to get good frame rates. I plan on buying a 1080ti as soon as it comes out or possibly sli gtx 1070's if the 1080ti is ridiculously expensive. As far as HDR I haven't kept up with it but I doubt I'll miss it.

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The KU6300 is 60 Hz, and so has judder issues, it does not have local dimming, does not the high-end Quantum Dot panel, and does not have the Wide Color Gamut. So it while it supports HDR, it performs poorly with it. It is a much lower end set than the KS8000 and is priced accordingly.
So, I got the 60" KU6300, great price at Costco, and frankly, there's not $600 difference between it and the 60KS8000, I played PS4 Pro HDR games on it (Uncharted - even though it's not really that great HDR wise) and regular games on PS4 Pro and was pleasantly surprised. Basically, I saved $350 compared to the 55KS8000 and got 20% more screen size, win-win.
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Is there a place selling the XBR85X850D for less than the current normal retail price of around $8K? Used would be fine too.

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I currently have the Samsung KS 8000 and I absolutely love it. However, I wish it was more like the Vizio when it comes to watching movies in the dark with the screen being brighter as well as deeper blacks. I'm trying to decide if I should try the Vizio P series. The only thing I don't like about the Samsung is it doesn't get very bright, whereas the Visio has the worse upscaling and that concerns me because I watch a decent amount of cable. I'm wondering if it is more possible to get the Samsung to look brighter like the Vizio or the Vizio to look like the Samsung is upscaling quality by perhaps making it sharper? I've seen videos comparing the two in a well lit room, however, I'm needing to see comparisons in the dark like I generally watch. Does anyone have links to videos or photos comparing these two sets in a darkened room? I've also read Vizio doesn't support 4:4:4 chroma and has fuzzier text - which is worse for PC use which I'm planning on using. Therefore, if the Samsung can be made to look close to what the Vizio looks like for movie watching through settings somehow I'm definitely sticking with the Samsung. Unless of course the upscaling isn't too much of a difference. However, I would love to see proof of the difference between the two in the dark as well as possibly the upscaling differences in photos. I would greatly appreciate any and all input before having to try out both.
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I currently have the Samsung KS 8000 and I absolutely love it. However, I wish it was more like the Vizio when it comes to watching movies in the dark with the screen being brighter as well as deeper blacks. I'm trying to decide if I should try the Vizio P series. The only thing I don't like about the Samsung is it doesn't get very bright, whereas the Visio has the worse upscaling and that concerns me because I watch a decent amount of cable. I'm wondering if it is more possible to get the Samsung to look brighter like the Vizio or the Vizio to look like the Samsung is upscaling quality by perhaps making it sharper? I've seen videos comparing the two in a well lit room, however, I'm needing to see comparisons in the dark like I generally watch. Does anyone have links to videos or photos comparing these two sets in a darkened room? I've also read Vizio doesn't support 4:4:4 chroma and has fuzzier text - which is worse for PC use which I'm planning on using. Therefore, if the Samsung can be made to look close to what the Vizio looks like for movie watching through settings somehow I'm definitely sticking with the Samsung. Unless of course the upscaling isn't too much of a difference. However, I would love to see proof of the difference between the two in the dark as well as possibly the upscaling differences in photos. I would greatly appreciate any and all input before having to try out both.
Don't know where your conclusions are coming from. The KS8000 has slightly deeper blacks and higher contrast than the Vizio P and much higher peak brightness for HDR. The Vizio P has slightly higher sustained brightness, but the KS8000 is not dim by any means. Both will perform very well in a dark room.
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Hm.. I wonder why most of what I've read people have said the Vizio P Series does much better for brightness and deeper blacks in a dark room and is better for watching movies. Even rtings.com states this. Most that have tried both have said the Vizio is much brighter than the Samsung can get due to the Vizio P Series having FALD, whereas the Samsung KS8000 is edge lit.
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Hm.. I wonder why most of what I've read people have said the Vizio P Series does much better for brightness and deeper blacks in a dark room and is better for watching movies. Even rtings.com states this. Most that have tried both have said the Vizio is much brighter than the Samsung can get due to the Vizio P Series having FALD, whereas the Samsung KS8000 is edge lit.
Since you mentioned Rtings - Rtings says the following about the Samsung KS8000 and Vizio P Series for contrast and peak brightness:

Samsung KS8000
9.3 Contrast
Black: 0.016 cd/m2 White: 110.5 cd/m2
Contrast: 6906 : 1
Very deep blacks and remarkable native contrast ratio results in a rich picture quality.

8.1 Peak Brightness Peak 2% Window: 1472 cd/m2
Peak 10% Window: 1431 cd/m2
Peak 25% Window: 964 cd/m2
Peak 50% Window: 513 cd/m2
Peak 100% Window: 509 cd/m2
Sustained 2% Window: 505 cd/m2
Sustained 10% Window: 508 cd/m2
Sustained 25% Window: 509 cd/m2
Sustained 50% Window: 513 cd/m2
Sustained 100% Window: 510 cd/m2
Like for other TVs, we use the local dimming setting ('Smart LED') that brighten the 2% window the most, in that case 'High'. The peak brightness of small highlights is very high at 1472 cd/m². On a static image, the maximum brightness drops to around 500 cd/m². For the best HDR experience, leave 'Smart LED' to 'High'.


Vizio P Series
9.0 Contrast
Black: 0.018 cd/m2 White: 102.5 cd/m2
Contrast: 5694 : 1
Excellent native contrast ratio. The blacks are very deep, even when local dimming is off.


7.2 Peak Brightness Peak 2% Window: 335 cd/m2
Peak 10% Window: 466 cd/m2
Peak 25% Window: 518 cd/m2
Peak 50% Window: 555 cd/m2
Peak 100% Window: 567 cd/m2
Sustained 2% Window: 335 cd/m2
Sustained 10% Window: 466 cd/m2
Sustained 25% Window: 518 cd/m2
Sustained 50% Window: 555 cd/m2
Sustained 100% Window: 567 cd/m2
This TV cannot get a small highlight as bright as other high end TVs like the Samsung KS9500 or the Sony X930D; but it can get very bright across the entire screen. Bright scenes should perform well compared to most other HDR TVs.

So the Samsung wins in contrast and peak brightness, the Vizio in sustained brightness as I had said. But nobody is turning up the brightness all the way anyway, especially in a dark room. I can't see how a sustained brightness of 500 nits across the entire screen would not be bright enough for you. Why do you feel you need so much brightness in a dark room? Typically you can use more brightness in a very bright room.

And regarding FALD, while that is certainly preferable over edge lit, I really don't think Vizio's have enough zones with just 126 or 128 vs. the 600 in the Sony 940D. Rtings comment about the Vizio's FALD follows:

"The local dimming feature on the Vizio P Series 2016, called 'Active LED Zones,' works really well, thanks to the full-array backlight. In our video, the white dot is a bit dimmed, which is unfortunate, but at least there isn't any major blooming. You will see more blooming at an angle than you will from directly in front of the TV. When watching movies, a downside of this feature is that stars in the sky won't be bright, but at least the blacks will be great."

Since the FALD actually dims bright objects, isn't that going to cancel out that extra brightness in dark scenes? And it is the opposite of what is supposed to happen for HDR.

The bottom line is they are both excellent for movies, the Vizio falls down in upscaling lower resolutions such as cable TV, but it excels in gaming with its inherent low input lag.
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Hm.. I wonder why most of what I've read people have said the Vizio P Series does much better for brightness and deeper blacks in a dark room and is better for watching movies. Even rtings.com states this. Most that have tried both have said the Vizio is much brighter than the Samsung can get due to the Vizio P Series having FALD, whereas the Samsung KS8000 is edge lit.
I would say the only thing the vizio beats the KS8000 in is motion. My Samsung gets very bright, I have to actually turn it down sometimes. I take the reason being that rtings says the vizio is better for dark room movies because the blacks are slightly better due to the local dimming, not because it gets brighter. But I have no idea how the blacks could be any better than the Samsung other than going OLED or maybe Z series Sony as the blacks are so inky black, even my bars on the top and bottom of screen stay black (I got lucky here with this). I came from a 73" DLP to the Samsung so really any blacks on a decent LCD are gonna be better than what im use to
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Hm.. I wonder why most of what I've read people have said the Vizio P Series does much better for brightness and deeper blacks in a dark room and is better for watching movies. Even rtings.com states this. Most that have tried both have said the Vizio is much brighter than the Samsung can get due to the Vizio P Series having FALD, whereas the Samsung KS8000 is edge lit.
Since you mentioned Rtings - Rtings says the following about the Samsung KS8000 and Vizio P Series for contrast and peak brightness:

Samsung KS8000
9.3 Contrast
Black: 0.016 cd/m2 White: 110.5 cd/m2
Contrast: 6906 : 1
Very deep blacks and remarkable native contrast ratio results in a rich picture quality.

8.1 Peak Brightness Peak 2% Window: 1472 cd/m2
Peak 10% Window: 1431 cd/m2
Peak 25% Window: 964 cd/m2
Peak 50% Window: 513 cd/m2
Peak 100% Window: 509 cd/m2
Sustained 2% Window: 505 cd/m2
Sustained 10% Window: 508 cd/m2
Sustained 25% Window: 509 cd/m2
Sustained 50% Window: 513 cd/m2
Sustained 100% Window: 510 cd/m2
Like for other TVs, we use the local dimming setting ('Smart LED') that brighten the 2% window the most, in that case 'High'. The peak brightness of small highlights is very high at 1472 cd/m?. On a static image, the maximum brightness drops to around 500 cd/m?. For the best HDR experience, leave 'Smart LED' to 'High'.


Vizio P Series
9.0 Contrast
Black: 0.018 cd/m2 White: 102.5 cd/m2
Contrast: 5694 : 1
Excellent native contrast ratio. The blacks are very deep, even when local dimming is off.


7.2 Peak Brightness Peak 2% Window: 335 cd/m2
Peak 10% Window: 466 cd/m2
Peak 25% Window: 518 cd/m2
Peak 50% Window: 555 cd/m2
Peak 100% Window: 567 cd/m2
Sustained 2% Window: 335 cd/m2
Sustained 10% Window: 466 cd/m2
Sustained 25% Window: 518 cd/m2
Sustained 50% Window: 555 cd/m2
Sustained 100% Window: 567 cd/m2
This TV cannot get a small highlight as bright as other high end TVs like the Samsung KS9500 or the Sony X930D; but it can get very bright across the entire screen. Bright scenes should perform well compared to most other HDR TVs.

So the Samsung wins in contrast and peak brightness, the Vizio in sustained brightness as I had said. But nobody is turning up the brightness all the way anyway, especially in a dark room. I can't see how a sustained brightness of 500 nits across the entire screen would not be bright enough for you. Why do you feel you need so much brightness in a dark room? Typically you can use more brightness in a very bright room.

And regarding FALD, while that is certainly preferable over edge lit, I really don't think Vizio's have enough zones with just 126 or 128 vs. the 600 in the Sony 940D. Rtings comment about the Vizio's FALD follows:

"The local dimming feature on the Vizio P Series 2016, called 'Active LED Zones,' works really well, thanks to the full-array backlight. In our video, the white dot is a bit dimmed, which is unfortunate, but at least there isn't any major blooming. You will see more blooming at an angle than you will from directly in front of the TV. When watching movies, a downside of this feature is that stars in the sky won't be bright, but at least the blacks will be great."

Since the FALD actually dims bright objects, isn't that going to cancel out that extra brightness in dark scenes? And it is the opposite of what is supposed to happen for HDR.

The bottom line is they are both excellent for movies, the Vizio falls down in upscaling lower resolutions such as cable TV, but it excels in gaming with its inherent low input lag.
Whoops, I meant better because of local dimming not brightness, my bad! Lol I've posted photo comparisons between the two on what I'm talking about.. the first two the top are the KS8000 and the last one the top left is the P Series and the bottom left is the KS8000. The blacks look so much deeper. Which is what I've read.. the Samsung is better for more popping beautiful bright colors, whereas the Vizio is better for deeper blacks.
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Hm.. I wonder why most of what I've read people have said the Vizio P Series does much better for brightness and deeper blacks in a dark room and is better for watching movies. Even rtings.com states this. Most that have tried both have said the Vizio is much brighter than the Samsung can get due to the Vizio P Series having FALD, whereas the Samsung KS8000 is edge lit.
I would say the only thing the vizio beats the KS8000 in is motion. My Samsung gets very bright, I have to actually turn it down sometimes. I take the reason being that rtings says the vizio is better for dark room movies because the blacks are slightly better due to the local dimming, not because it gets brighter. But I have no idea how the blacks could be any better than the Samsung other than going OLED or maybe Z series Sony as the blacks are so inky black, even my bars on the top and bottom of screen stay black (I got lucky here with this). I came from a 73" DLP to the Samsung so really any blacks on a decent LCD are gonna be better than what im use to
Yep, I was definitely thinking of the deeper blacks and local dimming. Not the brightness. Lol in order to get the blacks deep for what I like for movie watching on the Samsung the entire screen gets pretty dark, whereas, the Vizio seems to retain its brightness along with the deep blacks. I'm wondering if there's a way to make the Samsung look more like this or vice versa?
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