Note this is a business case study and not a rant .....,that is what I do and I'm good at it and its all in the details and facts
Originally Posted by Bamadawg_63
Those constantly bashing the 2016 Vizio P-Series sets that have never seen one in person or done enough research on them really need to quit giving advice based on 'fan-boydom' of other sets. Vizio is just as big a manufacturer as any other brand and based on their current R&D and investments... they are going to be giving 'big name' sets like OLED a run for their money in the years to follow. Funny that DolbyVision picked Vizio and Cal Man to provide calibration techniques for their P-Series. The sets now do both DolbyVision and HDR100 and they are on back order from Vizio, so I guess 'somebody' is buying these 'mediocre/low tier' TV's.
Not to diminish Scott's well regraded considerable reviewing, analytical ,expertise and technical skills but ...Ever wonder about a reviewers visual acuity when they ware glasses that may have some coatings and reflective properties that maybe beyond fine detail and the normal aging process can possibly significantly affect
color and depth perception or no ? .....,just a detail and unproven hypothesis to consider or not and nothing beyond that
.............., But again thats what I do .
FWIW I'm over 60 and wear 3.50 reading glasses so I know the pros and cons and pitfalls but not on or needed when I'm watching 55 or 64 inch up to 4K HDR eye candy or anthing on these first 2 TV 's in my Sig. and I don't watch the others anyway
Those constantly bashing the 2016 Vizio P-Series sets that have never seen one in person or done enough research on them really need to quit giving advice based on 'fan-boydom' of other sets.
I'm a SonyXBR HDR/SDR LCD picture and longstanding legendary Sony XBR build quality fan
and 2nd legitimately competitive Samsung SUHD LCD fanboy outside of Samsung 64f8500 plasma .
I hold LG HDR OLED in very high regard
but I am more than willing to point out the shortcomings of any Sony or Samsung TV like I have done with the 2016 Sony X850D IPS panel TV's and the Samsung KU 7000 and their attributes outside of the shortcomings but TBH those positives ain't much on the KU 7000 or Vizio P
My 2015 Sony XBR 850C 4K HDR ready wide color gamut TV is generally regarded as best in class then and now and even for HDR and above any Vizio product to the cognoscenti .
OTOH IMO the Samsung KS 8000 LCD is a better TV in many ways and its HDR 1000 spec. too
I try to stay out of the low budget Vizio type owners threads IMO nothing interesting to see there and they may tend to be low tech at times anyway . I just don't see them as enthusiast products and never saw one that rang my bell including all the 2016 products YMMV
Vizio is just as big a manufacturer as any other brand
Keep in mnd Vizio doesen't make any TV's or anything they re sell their OD (designs ) made by any number of maybe OK and maybe not so hot Asian based contract manufactures with who knows what parts and grade of panels inside .
That said Vizio moves a phatt lot of product in the states but not at global scale or in the much higher broad market sales potential emerging nations like the Global big three.i.e.,
Sony TV subsidiary ,Samsung electronics and LG TV and electronics .
They sell a lot of Oscar Meyer and Ball Park Frank hot dogs but I'll take a Genuine Caspers or Nathan's dog anytime .
P-Series. The sets now do both Dolby Vision and HDR100 and they are on back order from Vizio, so I guess 'somebody' is buying these 'mediocre/low tier' TV's.
The Vizio TV back order can just as well be Q4 seasonal end of product life cycle it happens to Sony and Samsung every year on popular models.
OTOH Vizio running out of product this soon is more likely poor production forecasting and supply chain/logistics management than anything else ,there is plenty of contract mfr. like Vizio uses excess production capacity out there .
Vizio has a history of poor production forecasting and maybe logistics wholly to thier detriment. but they are a and have been a privately held company so I don't dwell on thier operations ther are bigger fish to fry
The sets now do both Dolby Vision and HDR100
While thats all good HDR is a moving target , that is not lost on the big three as are not the Dolby royalties but HDR 10 is the ATSC 3.0 terrestrial broadcast standard ,dominant Retail TV receiver format and a retail Dolby Vision media layer .
You should know what follows all that until we get the 2 active HDR formats and the data pipes for it in the broad market
Funny that Dolby Vision picked Vizio and Cal Man to provide calibration techniques for their P-Series
Note Sony does not have or ever need CMS deep color calibration for years like the cal man business beyond a few trivial white balance tweaks usually provided for. They are simply the best LCD color in the business and Samsung is right behind and Pannys in the mix .
The tier one brands handled out the box color accuracy well while Vizio is behind without a pro calibration and even behind then ....nobody making LCD TV can beat the usual superlative Sony LCD color it was like that on CRT also I had 4 of them and a 2005 55" Sony Grand Wega 3 chip slim DLP
Vizio likely doesn't have the resources for all that at today's levels . Cal Man and Dolby Vision don't work for free and The big three tier one brands and Panasonic can do all that better in house without royalties anyway ,not to mention Vizio color management (CMS ) functions have often been broken in thier TV's just like thier sub par video and color processing and up-scaling anyway but it all together ain't bad for what they are
Vizio 50" ,55" and 60" 4K TV's may still have rubbish 50 Hz panels .
based on their current R&D and investments... they are going to be giving 'big name' sets like OLED a run for their money in the years to follow.
Vizio does not innovate at the scale of the big three or much at all .
Vizio does not have any genuine HD 1000 spec. product like the big three and Panasonic .
Vizio will never be a threat to LG OLED or upper middle to premium Sony or Samsung pictures only in your wildest dreams at this point ,they've never executed a genuine premium product beyond the over hyped stillborn reference rubbish .
Premium is just not Vizio today but they have a place
Vizio sells a lot of value market product that are often regarded as a good value for what you pay but they ain't Sony's ,LG or Samsung by a country mile '
Cheap FALD TV are not re invented wheels either but some folks like them I do not .
They over hype thier products but in all fairness so do the big three but not so bad.
Vizio HDR ready P model wide color gamuts are less than HDR spec and less than lumens than HDR 1000 spec.
but so are Some Sony and maybe one SUHD Samsung at least on the lumens but still good wide color gamut .
Panasonic premium TV are at a high quality also but a lower unit count
Samsung Display and LGD sibling companies are major global panel makers and make highly regarded panels for TV's and LCD & and AMOLED & LG OLED TV technologies used from cell phones to TV's to medical imaging to jumbo jets . Sony is the image sensor place to go .
Sony and Panasonic have the best video and color processing for retail and professional color grading monitors like Sony Trimasters and the Sony ZD9 best retail LCD TV's on the planet followed by Samsung then LG.
and LG OLED is wholly well regarded as some of the best retail TV's on the planet
Vizio does not play in this sandbox at all and probably never will its the big leagues well beyond engineering and reselling conventional but not bad Vizio OD products.
Sony Digital camera chassis and image sensors are what's inside of the finest digital cimematic cameras on the planet.
Sony ZD9 is the baddest LCD *real FALD TV on the planet
Samsung isn't far behind Sony and may equal or surpass some of the ZD9 attributes soon video /color processing however would be a stretch for anybody to surpass Sony they make and grade everything from movie and TV and music productions ,the stuff they make that with and the TV's media players media and so on and so on .
Vizio has been wholly sold to a large PRC (Chinese) content selling (maybe media ) and cell phone company or something like that so we do not know the long term business plans and mission statement for Vizio
which are wholly obvious at the big three .
The big three teir one brands are Samsung ,Sony and LG usually with the products and support one would expect from a tier one global brand .
Details and facts .