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For your intended usage though, the Samsung has better upscaling for cable TV viewing so that makes it your best choice. It is also better at handling reflections from windows like you have in your room. Contrary to conventional thinking, the Vizio's semi-gloss screen makes reflections from the windows a little worse.
Thanks! That's what I was thinking, but it's been so long since I've shopped for a TV that I was amazed at how far out of the loop I was on current tech.
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I didnt get anything yet. I was set on Vizio P65, and now (from owners forum) it sounds like this TV has turned into a pile of **** (fald not working, netflix not working, roku not working). At BB today the KS8000 and the P50 were on the lighted floor area. Both have their +/-. I could easily see flashlighing from the Samsung and pitch dark from P50....but with vizio hosing updates....what do you pick?
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I've been looking for a 120hz 75" TV and noticed a decent deal at Costco for the Samsung un75ju641d.

From what I'm reading, it looks like a 120hz display and not a 60hz. Unfortunately they did not really have any decent demo content playing, so I can't tell if I would be disappointed with this fake 120hz display.

Side by side, I've been able to tell the difference between 60 vs 120, so I know my next TV will be a 120hz.

Am I taking too much of a chance on this Samsung that has 120hz CMR? It does have great reviews all over the place, but I know I want a 120hz picture. I also don't want to deal with buying/returning it.
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I've been looking for a 120hz 75" TV and noticed a decent deal at Costco for the Samsung un75ju641d.

From what I'm reading, it looks like a 120hz display and not a 60hz. Unfortunately they did not really have any decent demo content playing, so I can't tell if I would be disappointed with this fake 120hz display.

Side by side, I've been able to tell the difference between 60 vs 120, so I know my next TV will be a 120hz.

Am I taking too much of a chance on this Samsung that has 120hz CMR? It does have great reviews all over the place, but I know I want a 120hz picture. I also don't want to deal with buying/returning it.
It is a 60 Hz VA panel set, a variant of the 2015 model UN75JU6400 which according to Rtings, performs similar to the UN75JU6500. Typical for low-end Samsung 60 Hz panels, it has judder with all 24p sources including Blu Ray.
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It is a 60 Hz VA panel set, a variant of the 2015 model UN75JU6400 which according to Rtings, performs similar to the UN75JU6500. Typical for low-end Samsung 60 Hz panels, it has judder with all 24p sources including Blu Ray.
- Thanks for the info, I'll be holding off for another deal.
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I didnt get anything yet. I was set on Vizio P65, and now (from owners forum) it sounds like this TV has turned into a pile of **** (fald not working, netflix not working, roku not working). At BB today the KS8000 and the P50 were on the lighted floor area. Both have their +/-. I could easily see flashlighing from the Samsung and pitch dark from P50....but with vizio hosing updates....what do you pick?
In this price range its hard to get that perfect tv. Im happy with my KS8000 but I dont have any issues that some have, no light bleed along bottom and no flash lighting. I do wish it had better local dimming. The blacks a very good on the samsung. My room gets pretty bright so I went with the brighter tv and better for reflections. The FALD in the vizio is nice. I personally would go with the 930D as it is now almost same price as the KS. It is still edge lit but a little better local dimming and gets as bright as the KS.
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Hi guys i am torn between the 65KS8000 Samsung or the 65 Vizio P series.
I actually ordered the 65KS8000 but when it was delivered it had a cracked screen so it got returned and i guess that has me a little edgy about reordering it. Also i fear the lack or Dolby Vision will come back to haunt me on this tv but since Samsung will price match their original price i might be making a fuss about nothing.

The 65 Vizion P series has Dolby Vision and from what i have heard the movies on Vudu that support it are amazing. The tablet sounds good but i wonder if my parents will be able to use it without wanting to throw it at a wall.

The tv would be placed in a moderately lit room if that helps. My brain and wallet says reorder the Samsung but i am just a little reluctant because of the lack of dolby vision and i want this tv to last at least 4/5 years. Am i being foolish here? Any and all advice would be welcomed
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Hi guys i am torn between the 65KS8000 Samsung or the 65 Vizio P series.
I actually ordered the 65KS8000 but when it was delivered it had a cracked screen so it got returned and i guess that has me a little edgy about reordering it. Also i fear the lack or Dolby Vision will come back to haunt me on this tv but since Samsung will price match their original price i might be making a fuss about nothing.

The 65 Vizion P series has Dolby Vision and from what i have heard the movies on Vudu that support it are amazing. The tablet sounds good but i wonder if my parents will be able to use it without wanting to throw it at a wall.

The tv would be placed in a moderately lit room if that helps. My brain and wallet says reorder the Samsung but i am just a little reluctant because of the lack of dolby vision and i want this tv to last at least 4/5 years. Am i being foolish here? Any and all advice would be welcomed
First, a lot of people would like to throw that Vizio tablet against the wall. That being said, HDR10 is on more sets and has more available content. Second, the major advantage of Dolby vision is dynamic metadata and Samsung has already demonstrated that, with a firmware update, dynamic metadata can be added to HDR10. Third, all the sets available today have what will be considered primitive HDR in 4 or 5 years anyway. The LG OLEDs and Vizio LEDs that support Dolby Vision don't even have half the peak brightness of Samsung KS8000 sets while Dolby Vision was actually envisioned for much brighter panels with 3 times the peak brightness of the KS8000. So I think you should just get the best set for your parents now.
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Not sure if this is the right venue, but I am looking for an LCD panel ...
27-32 or so inches, this is going to be used as:
- computer monitor on which I will do HD video editing among other things,
- HDMI-capable display with speakers (spkr quality unimportant) to serve as TV display, i.e. Chromecast or other stick connection
- prefer 4K capable
- at least 2 HDMI inputs, HDCP 2 if a 4K device
- PIP or PBP desireable, not essential
- IPS type panel
- not crazy expensive i.e. < $1k
- good or great color & dynamic range

Not asking much, am I . If you know of such a device, please share in the thread.
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First, a lot of people would like to throw that Vizio tablet against the wall. That being said, HDR10 is on more sets and has more available content. Second, the major advantage of Dolby vision is dynamic metadata and Samsung has already demonstrated that, with a firmware update, dynamic metadata can be added to HDR10. Third, all the sets available today have what will be considered primitive HDR in 4 or 5 years anyway. The LG OLEDs and Vizio LEDs that support Dolby Vision don't even have half the peak brightness of Samsung KS8000 sets while Dolby Vision was actually envisioned for much brighter panels with 3 times the peak brightness of the KS8000. So I think you should just get the best set for your parents now.
Thank you for the reply, for the price its a no-brainer to get the samsung then.
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Ok my budget is about 800 doallars, i have narrowd down to the samsung ku700 and sony x800d size 46-50 inch im open to other suggestion or help between the two. The tv will be in my bedroom 6 to 8 ft away. I dont like wearing my glasses in my room so i get a bigger tv. i have xbox ones and ps4 pro. i watch movies mostly and tv thru those systems. new tv i may play games little more. my phone is android samsung or lg. i know some tv are compatiable with android etc if that helps lean one way or another
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Hi,

I am looking for a tv for my mother. She is not a videophile but I'm trying to get her a great set nonethenless.

Because of the limitations of her current tv stand where the tv will reside, I am down to two sets:

Sony 55" X850D
Sony 55" X930D

It cannot be more than 55" as it took some convincing to let me go that high in size.

She is viewing tv in the day and also in the evening but with some lights on (small lights on the tv side and sometimes on the opposite side of the tv). I attached a picture of the lowest ambient light she uses when watching the tv. It's either like that at night or brighter with daylight during the day. She has an old 43" plasma tv that was recently given to her by somebody but it's pretty blurry and spotty on big parts of the image as it's very old and is normal usage of the plasma tv.

When visit comes, the viewing angles can become quite large depending on where you sit. It's a couch with 3 people on it plus my mother's chair so that's 4 people large. It's usually two or three people including my mother.

On one hand I would prefer the X930D as it's the better of both TVs in terms of PQ for blacks and contrast and the glossy finish that I always personally prefer to semi-glossy or matte but on the other hand for the actual usage with some lights on (not a pitch black room, she never uses that style but it can be low light like in picture), large viewing angle when visit comes and adding the fact that my mother is not a videophile, I am also considering the X850D more realistically.

I tested out the viewing angle on both at bestbuy as they have both one beside the other one and the X850D is vastly superior when viewed at an angle compared to the X930D but when viewed in front, the X930D is sharper and better looking but not by tons. That was in best buy lighting conditions of course so not ideal.

The motion was rated better on the X930D and we listen to a lot of hockey at my mother's place so motion handling in hockey is an important factor. Both tvs are good for motion according to the reviews but maybe some people want to share their input on hockey viewing on these sets?

I also heard about bad clouding/bleeding on the X930D which makes me think the black level may not be that incredible on that set. Maybe the X850D suffer from the same problem though? rtings seem to say the black uniformity is not that great on the X850D?

Any advice on which set I should get especially from people who own these sets?

I was also thinking about the 49" X800D or X700D as other possibilities. The X700D is an IPS panel but supposedly it has very bad image retention according to rtings review so I put that one aside for now. The 49" X800D supposedly also is an IPS panel but was not reviewed by rtings so I don't know if it has the same bad image retention.

Also the X800D and X700D are 60hz sets whereas the X850D and X930D are 120hz sets. Does it make a big difference for motion clarity? What if I turn the motion enhancers off on the TV, will it still make a difference?

I approximate a sitting distance of approximately 7" more or less.

As for viewing material, she only watches 1080i cable TV and I'll bring blu-rays over sometimes.
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I am looking for a tv for my 80 years old mother. She is not a videophile obviously but I'm trying to get her a great set nonethenless.
Obviously?

Hey, I'm 73 and I'm a videophile. Age has nothing to do with it.
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Point taken. I edited my post to remove the part about the age. I know she is not a videophile at all though.

But seriously that's the only reply I get to help me out?
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i didnt get anything yet. I was set on vizio p65, and now (from owners forum) it sounds like this tv has turned into a pile of **** (fald not working, netflix not working, roku not working). At bb today the ks8000 and the p50 were on the lighted floor area. Both have their +/-. I could easily see flashlighing from the samsung and pitch dark from p50....but with vizio hosing updates....what do you pick?
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Hi,

I am looking for a tv for my mother. She is not a videophile but I'm trying to get her a great set nonethenless.

Because of the limitations of her current tv stand where the tv will reside, I am down to two sets:

Sony 55" X850D
Sony 55" X930D

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any of these should be fine and plausibly decent on DVD /1080i/720p/480i

I'm thinking X850D 10 bit 4K HDR IPS panel or decent less spendy 8 bit (maybe + frc) 4K SDR Samsung 6290 VA panel maybe 60 Hz unless you have X930D cash to burn

X700D,X750D 60Hz ,& maybe the 120Hz X800D only have 8 bit + FRC panels

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Ok my budget is about 800 doallars, i have narrowd down to the samsung ku700 and sony x800d size 46-50 inch im open to other suggestion or help between the two. The tv will be in my bedroom 6 to 8 ft away. I dont like wearing my glasses in my room so i get a bigger tv. i have xbox ones and ps4 pro. i watch movies mostly and tv thru those systems. new tv i may play games little more. my phone is android samsung or lg. i know some tv are compatiable with android etc if that helps lean one way or another
50" Samsung KU 700 IIRC has VA panel good blacks advantage I think 60 Hz 55" KU 700 likely IPS 60Hz panel

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Point taken. I edited my post to remove the part about the age. I know she is not a videophile at all though.

But seriously that's the only reply I get to help me out?
I don't know anything about the Sony sets you mentioned so I couldn't comment. I do know about videophiles in relationship to age so I did comment on that.
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any of these should be fine and plausibly decent on DVD /1080i/720p/480i

I'm thinking X850D 10 bit 4K HDR IPS panel or decent less spendy 8 bit (maybe + frc) 4K SDR Samsung 6290 VA panel maybe 60 Hz unless you have X930D cash to burn

X700D,X750D 60Hz ,& maybe the 120Hz X800D only have 8 bit + FRC panels
Thx for the input!

The X930D was in special until today at 2000$CDN and X850D at 1500$CDN so yes I was ready to pay for the X930D but I am afraid about the viewing angles.

Also, one thing I am afraid more for me when I'll go watch the tv than for her is the clouding issues. Seems like the X930D and X850D alike can have pretty bad clouding in the blacks (bright spots). I can understand for the X850D but I expected the X930D to be better in the owner's reviews.

Is this to be expected of ANY edge-lit display then? It's gonna be panel lottery on both of them?

If both have the same chances of clouding I'll probably go with the X850D for the viewing angles.
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Thx for the input!

Is this to be expected of ANY edge-lit display then? It's gonna be panel lottery on both of them?

If both have the same chances of clouding I'll probably go with the X850D for the viewing angles.
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I am getting ready to move into a new house. I currently have a LG 47in 1080p LED-LCD TV 120hz (i will have to find the model), I bought it on a budget and it has been a great tv. No issues with 24p content, keeps up with my Xbox One fine. The issue is that with the new living room being so large it will make the 47in smaller from the distance (above fire place) so I am looking to buy something new on a budget that will help. And I know with March-April coming is a great time to great clearance of 2016 models.

Just a bit more info: I run all audio through my Yamaha RX-V377 so I let the video pass through to the TV, so the inputs don't matter. I checked and the V377 does support 4k and 3D passthrough, so this means I can take advantage of 4k.

3D - not important, if anything I prefer passive
4K - definitely a want if possible

1. Budget
Max ~$1000

2. Seating distance
This is still in the works, but appears to be around 8-10ft

3. Size/placement limitations
The TV will be mounted on the wall above the fireplace mantle. I am going to try to angle it down a bit so it helps with viewing angle. I am thinking 55-65"

4. Uses and sources
Xbox One (non S)
Chromecast (will buy an Ultra unless the TV has one built in)
Laptop/PC at times

5. Room lighting
It has two big windows that will be near the sitting area of living room. Plan on curtains and blinds to help as much as possible.

6. Extra Info
I care more about bang for the buck than top of the line. My current LG and my last one were mid-range sets that after calibrated served all my needs great. I do like LG for the use of IPS though.
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I am getting ready to move into a new house. I currently have a LG 47in 1080p LED-LCD TV 120hz (i will have to find the model), I bought it on a budget and it has been a great tv. No issues with 24p content, keeps up with my Xbox One fine. The issue is that with the new living room being so large it will make the 47in smaller from the distance (above fire place) so I am looking to buy something new on a budget that will help. And I know with March-April coming is a great time to great clearance of 2016 models.

Just a bit more info: I run all audio through my Yamaha RX-V377 so I let the video pass through to the TV, so the inputs don't matter. I checked and the V377 does support 4k and 3D passthrough, so this means I can take advantage of 4k.

3D - not important, if anything I prefer passive
4K - definitely a want if possible

1. Budget
Max ~$1000

2. Seating distance
This is still in the works, but appears to be around 8-10ft

3. Size/placement limitations
The TV will be mounted on the wall above the fireplace mantle. I am going to try to angle it down a bit so it helps with viewing angle. I am thinking 55-65"

4. Uses and sources
Xbox One (non S)
Chromecast (will buy an Ultra unless the TV has one built in)
Laptop/PC at times

5. Room lighting
It has two big windows that will be near the sitting area of living room. Plan on curtains and blinds to help as much as possible.

6. Extra Info
I care more about bang for the buck than top of the line. My current LG and my last one were mid-range sets that after calibrated served all my needs great. I do like LG for the use of IPS though.
at ~ $1K the best 55" choices are 4K HDR 55X850D Sony or Samsung 55 KS 8000 noting the Samsung has a VA panel and the Sony has an IPS panel in that model ,

The Samsung is better in dark darker rooms and has significantly better dark room blacks .

The Sony is fine in a lit room or bright room and has better processing and the usual IPS panel wider view angle but of thee two I would take the Samsung I hate IPS panel poor blacks in darker room although a 65K white TV backlight would help that a lot and with that it may be fine I have one on my VA panel 2015 4K HDR Sony 55X850C which is actually the best of these three sets , then you get that Sony color and legendary Sony XBR TV build quality I been buying since 1993 .

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at ~ $1K the best 55" choices are 4K HDR 55X850D Sony or Samsung 55 KS 8000 noting the Samsung has a VA panel and the Sony has an IPS panel in that model ,

The Samsung is better in dark darker rooms and has significantly better dark room blacks .

The Sony is fine in a lit room or bright room and has better processing and the usual IPS panel wider view angle but of thee two I would take the Samsung I hate IPS panel poor blacks in darker room although a 65K white TV backlight would help that a lot and with that it may be fine I have one on my VA panel 2015 4K HDR Sony 55X850C which is actually the best of these three sets , then you get that Sony color and legendary Sony XBR TV build quality I been buying since 1993 .

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So the cable goes around the TV to give a bit of light to help make the darks appear darker?

I would like to go 65" in possible, though we are going to measure the area next time we get into the house so we can size it up right.

I don't mind going with a VA panel for better blacks, I just don't want a TV that will be washed out by light.

I was eyeing the XBR65X750D / UN65KU7000FXZA / 65UH6150
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So the cable goes around the TV to give a bit of light to help make the darks appear darker?

I would like to go 65" in possible, though we are going to measure the area next time we get into the house so we can size it up right.

I don't mind going with a VA panel for better blacks, I just don't want a TV that will be washed out by light.

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So the cable goes around the TV to give a bit of light to help make the darks appear darker?
its a self adhesive LED light strip that faces the wall behind the TV and illuminates all that nicely at the correct light spectrum for dark near dark or sunrize viewing ,these are the greatest thing for any TV . The cord is the usb cord with a switch in it but note the switch is very small ,



I was eyeing the XBR65X750D / UN65KU7000FXZA / 65UH6150
Sony 65 X750D may be 8 bit + frc 120Hz IPS panel like the 2016 X700D at 60Hz which is a deal breaker here for my primary TV but if it's mostly 4K SDR and up to 1080i /1080p TV content and media it may be fine like any 4K SDR TV and not altogether dissimilar from X850D on SDR and crummy HDR like Netflix and Amazon IPTV HDR just not maybe as good on HDR as X850C /X850D and size matters

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The Sony XBR65X750D is a mid-range 4k TV with slightly above average picture quality. Even when viewed at an angle, the picture quality remains the same. It is very good at handling motion, with very little blur following fast moving objects. Unfortunately the low contrast ratio results in a less defined image in a dark room.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x750d

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I would like to go 65" in possible,
Size matters more than the differnce from X850D vs X750D below HDR content if there is any

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The X750D or X850D won't be washed out in a bright room at all both TV have about very similar brightness and any difference would be below the 100 NIT variance overall brightness perceptible threshold and are significantly brighter than KU 7000


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The SDR peak brightness is bad for the Samsung KU7000. At around 300 cd/m² overall, with the 2% and 10% being dimmer than the rest, the SDR peak brightness is lower than what would be considered a good value. The KU7000 would be best situated in a dark room because of the low SDR peak brightness.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku7000

I would maybe think about one of the Sony or a >>> 55 KS 8000 VA panel if it were me having my aversion to IPS panels outside of a bright room .

Another option may be a not spendy 65" Toshiba -Compal 4K SDR ,Sharp or Insignia 4K SDR or the inexpensive allegedly OK Hisense HDR TV or Samsung KS 6290 4K SDR they have at Best Buy noting Hisense owns Sharp Americas and makes those and Insignia .


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The LG UH6150 is a "4k" UHD LED TV. The picture quality is slightly below average, in-part due to the less accurate RGBW pixel structure. The native contrast is very low, which combined with poor black uniformity leads to bad dark room performance.

The has a very low native contrast ratio, even for an IPS TV. Due to the low peak brightness with our calibration temperature of 6500K, the backlight has to be turned up a lot to reach our target white square value of 100 nits
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh6150

UH 6150 =Rubbish IMO I had a 2013 Sony Bravia with Exact same lowish brightness it was rubbish and hard to get adequate color saturation in a bright room compared to all the other TV's here and an RGBW LCD panel is low spend LG TV rubbish anyway .

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Thx for the input!

The X930D was in special until today at 2000$CDN and X850D at 1500$CDN so yes I was ready to pay for the X930D but I am afraid about the viewing angles.

Also, one thing I am afraid more for me when I'll go watch the tv than for her is the clouding issues. Seems like the X930D and X850D alike can have pretty bad clouding in the blacks (bright spots). I can understand for the X850D but I expected the X930D to be better in the owner's reviews.

Is this to be expected of ANY edge-lit display then? It's gonna be panel lottery on both of them?

If both have the same chances of clouding I'll probably go with the X850D for the viewing angles.
maybe for mom's the EZ peasy to use Sharp ,TCL ,or Insignia ROKU operating system embedded TV without the usual smart TV platform instabilities or an allegedly not bad and not spendy at all for a 65" anything Hisense HDR TV or a thrifty Toshiba -Compal with decent reviews by the customers
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I'm in a bit of a quandry. I've had a 60" 120Hz Sharp for ~7yrs and it's starting to go. I sit ~15ft away so I don't really want anything less than 65". Unfortunately my budget is in the $1k range (I live on the 3rd floor so delivery has to be taken into account). I've noticed most of the 65" in this price range are 60Hz and there's no way I'm going 60Hz now. I wanted HDR but that looks like it's out in that price range as well.

If I can I'm thinking I might hold out for the 2017 models and see what closeouts on the 2016 models happen. Also the upcoming TCL Dolby Vision sets look like that might be in my pricerange (although the quality and if they're 120Hz remain unknown). Any advice?

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maybe scroll down the linked page and see (the current prices ) of what's available in 65" at your spend .
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I did. The only set they list in my pricerange is the TCL 65" Roku set, which is 60Hz. I could pick up the Hisense 65H8C this weekend for even less which is HDR10, but also 60Hz. Neither of those options seem very appealing to me.

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Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a basic cheap 4K LCD TV.

I am trying to decide between a 55 and 65 inch which one is a better value. They both have 60hz refresh rate. The 55 has 300cd/m2 brightness and contrast ratio of 1:1200 while the 65 has 350cd/m2 and 1:4000 contrast ratio (not that CR measurements have any standards so who knows what the actual values are).

I am wondering if anyone has experience with either 2 of these TVs. Like I said I'm just wondering which one is an overall better value. It's just going to be used for the kids to watch their cartoons and toddler programming on.

The 55 is an RCA RLED5536 for 399.99 CAD

The 65 is a Proscan Pled6535 selling for 599.99 CAD
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Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a basic cheap 4K LCD TV.

I am trying to decide between a 55 and 65 inch which one is a better value. They both have 60hz refresh rate. The 55 has 300cd/m2 brightness and contrast ratio of 1:1200 while the 65 has 350cd/m2 and 1:4000 contrast ratio (not that CR measurements have any standards so who knows what the actual values are).

I am wondering if anyone has experience with either 2 of these TVs. Like I said I'm just wondering which one is an overall better value. It's just going to be used for the kids to watch their cartoons and toddler programming on.

The 55 is an RCA RLED5536 for 399.99 CAD

The 65 is a Proscan Pled6535 selling for 599.99 CAD
Looking at the Proscan website, both are manufactured by ProScan along with Silvania, Curtis and Igloo. The differing contrast levels seem to indicate the 55" "RCA" might be an IPS panel while the 65" "Proscan" might be a VA Panel. If this is the case, the 55" would have a wider viewing angle but weaker black levels and the 65" would have deeper blacks but a somewhat narrow viewing angle. If it's just for the kids, why not go cheap?
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