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Looking to upgrade our living room TV to a 4K HDR. It is used primarily for streaming Netflix, movies, and gaming. Gaming device will be a PS4 Pro. The room has high light levels during the day. Seating is a roughly 12 feet from the TV, and the viewing angle ranges from zero to a 30° angle at the absolute most. I really want an OLED, but I do not want the price tag associated. My budget is 1000 to 1200. I'm curious to know if you think I am better off picking something now, or if you feel that OLED prices are going to drop this fall. If picking up a TV now what would be the recommendations? I am currently considering a Samsung KS 8000 that is on sale for 1200 right now.
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hi im have a room about 30 x25 and main seating is about 14 -15 feet from the wall. the room is very bright during the day large windows and doors on 3 sides. i have 96 inches between two windows and thought of purchasing a 85 inch tv to replace a older sharp 1080p sharp aquos. we originally wanted a sony 4k projector and 120 inch screen but felt our room would be too bright

i have used google search too much and now have information overload. we thought an 85ish screen would be good and were considering the Sony 85inch 850d, the new 86 LG SJ9570, and the samsung UN85JU7100FXZA. we watch a lot of sports on direct, play xbox 1s games and stream , as well as apple tv.

whats going to give us the best overall results for our bright room , viewing sources ? at that viewing distance is a 4k 85 inch tv too big?

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Looking to upgrade our living room TV to a 4K HDR. It is used primarily for streaming Netflix, movies, and gaming. Gaming device will be a PS4 Pro. The room has high light levels during the day. Seating is a roughly 12 feet from the TV, and the viewing angle ranges from zero to a 30° angle at the absolute most. I really want an OLED, but I do not want the price tag associated. My budget is 1000 to 1200. I'm curious to know if you think I am better off picking something now, or if you feel that OLED prices are going to drop this fall. If picking up a TV now what would be the recommendations? I am currently considering a Samsung KS 8000 that is on sale for 1200 right now.
Of course OLED prices will continue to fall, but will they hit the $1,200 and under price point by this fall? Probably not. For $1,200 and under for a 4K/HDR TV I don't think you can beat this right now.

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hi im have a room about 30 x25 and main seating is about 14 -15 feet from the wall. the room is very bright during the day large windows and doors on 3 sides. i have 96 inches between two windows and thought of purchasing a 85 inch tv to replace a older sharp 1080p sharp aquos. we originally wanted a sony 4k projector and 120 inch screen but felt our room would be too bright

i have used google search too much and now have information overload. we thought an 85ish screen would be good and were considering the Sony 85inch 850d, the new 86 LG SJ9570, and the samsung UN85JU7100FXZA. we watch a lot of sports on direct, play xbox 1s games and stream , as well as apple tv.

whats going to give us the best overall results for our bright room , viewing sources ? at that viewing distance is a 4k 85 inch tv too big?

Thanks
The IPS panel 2016 Sony XBR85X850D is a good choice for a bright room with a wide viewing angle and is one of the lower-priced 85" sets. It is mediocre with HDR content though. The Samsung UN85JU7100 is a 2015 VA panel set without HDR support so I'd avoid that one. If you can afford the $8K price tag, you should at least look at the new 2017 IPS panel LG 86SJ9570 since it should be better with HDR content than the Sony, also supports Dolby Vision and might even have decent sound if that matters.
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"Best" 1080p TV for PS4 Pro. Can anyone help with suggestions, please?

Hello. My question is pretty much as the title states. I am looking for a 43"-50" 1080p TV for the PS4 Pro. I will not be able to get a 4K for a while and I will be using it for PC gaming, as well. My budget is between $200-$300...if at all possible. I am open for suggestions, though.

Thank you in advance for your help!
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I am currently looking to replace two of my TVs and am having a hard time choosing what to replace them with.

One TV will be used in the living room, in both bright and dark conditions. I want it to be no smaller than 65 inches and I will be sitting about 8 feet away from it. I will use it to watch SDR from PLaystation Vue and 4K HDR content from Netflix, Amazon, and UHD Blu-Rays. I will also use it for HDR gaming from a PS4 Pro and PC. My current living room TV is a 55LH85 with horrible input lag, so I think any modern TV should be an improvement over my current LG for gaming (With a slow motion camera I measured about 130ms of lag in game mode). My budget for this TV is $3-4K USD. A wide viewing angle is not that important, and I want to avoid an IPS panel since it will be watched in a dark room at times. Dolby Vision would be a plus, but won't be a deal breaker (Unless you feel that DV is a must, as I have not seen an DV content yet)

The second TV will be used in my bedroom, mostly at night, so it will be dark in the room. The only thing hooked up to this TV will be a standard PS4, so 4K isn't needed, however HDR would be nice as I will be playing HDR games and watching HDR content from the usual streaming services. I will also be watching SDR content through Playstation Vue. So far the only Full HD HDR TVs announced are from Sony. I am interested in the W75E 49" model but have been unable to find any recent information about release dates and the quality of this TV. If I have to wait several months for the W75E to be released, I will get a 4K HDR screen instead, so it will need to have a good upscaler. The size range I am looking for is 50-60 inches. My budget is $1,500 and under.


Here is my list so far of my choices, but please add other recommendations that I missed. These are not in any kind of order.

Living Room:
-Vizio P Series 75"
-LG OLED 65" E6 (My only concern is the brightness, if it is as bright as my current LG 55LH85, then it should be bright enough, but I have no idea how bright my current TV is for comparison)
-Samsung KS9000 65 or 75" (No DV)
-Sony 65" Z9D (Amazon has a few open box and used Z9Ds listed for $3200-4000, would this be a smart move to get an open box set?)
-Sony 65" X930E
-Sony 75" X940D (Would the lack of DV be worth the extra size over the X930E?)

Bedroom:

-Sony 49" W75E/WE75
-Samsung 55" KS8000
-LG OLED 55" B6
-Vizio 55" M Series


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I am currently looking to replace two of my TVs and am having a hard time choosing what to replace them with.

One TV will be used in the living room, in both bright and dark conditions. I want it to be no smaller than 65 inches and I will be sitting about 8 feet away from it. I will use it to watch SDR from PLaystation Vue and 4K HDR content from Netflix, Amazon, and UHD Blu-Rays. I will also use it for HDR gaming from a PS4 Pro and PC. My current living room TV is a 55LH85 with horrible input lag, so I think any modern TV should be an improvement over my current LG for gaming (With a slow motion camera I measured about 130ms of lag in game mode). My budget for this TV is $3-4K USD. A wide viewing angle is not that important, and I want to avoid an IPS panel since it will be watched in a dark room at times. Dolby Vision would be a plus, but won't be a deal breaker (Unless you feel that DV is a must, as I have not seen an DV content yet)

The second TV will be used in my bedroom, mostly at night, so it will be dark in the room. The only thing hooked up to this TV will be a standard PS4, so 4K isn't needed, however HDR would be nice as I will be playing HDR games and watching HDR content from the usual streaming services. I will also be watching SDR content through Playstation Vue. So far the only Full HD HDR TVs announced are from Sony. I am interested in the W75E 49" model but have been unable to find any recent information about release dates and the quality of this TV. If I have to wait several months for the W75E to be released, I will get a 4K HDR screen instead, so it will need to have a good upscaler. The size range I am looking for is 50-60 inches. My budget is $1,500 and under.


Here is my list so far of my choices, but please add other recommendations that I missed. These are not in any kind of order.

Living Room:
-Vizio P Series 75"
-LG OLED 65" E6 (My only concern is the brightness, if it is as bright as my current LG 55LH85, then it should be bright enough, but I have no idea how bright my current TV is for comparison)
-Samsung KS9000 65 or 75" (No DV)
-Sony 65" Z9D (Amazon has a few open box and used Z9Ds listed for $3200-4000, would this be a smart move to get an open box set?)
-Sony 65" X930E
-Sony 75" X940D (Would the lack of DV be worth the extra size over the X930E?)

Bedroom:

-Sony 49" W75E/WE75
-Samsung 55" KS8000
-LG OLED 55" B6
-Vizio 55" M Series


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You'll have decide OLED vs. LED so .................

Living Room - LG OLED65B6P or Sony XBR65X930E

Bedroom - LG OLED55B6P or Sony XBR55X900E
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You'll have decide OLED vs. LED so .................

Living Room - LG OLED65B6P or Sony XBR65X930E

Bedroom - LG OLED55B6P or Sony XBR55X900E

Thanks for the reply. I need to find a store that has some OLED TVs setup in a bright room. My local Magnolia store has the LG OLEDs located in the back of their display area where it is much darker.

As for the LED/LCD TVs, those two Sony's (930E and 900E) would be your best recommendation for my needs if I went with an LCD tv?

If I decide that OLED won't be bright enough for the living room, I may just do LCD in the living room and then OLED in the bedroom.
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Thanks for the reply. I need to find a store that has some OLED TVs setup in a bright room. My local Magnolia store has the LG OLEDs located in the back of their display area where it is much darker.

As for the LED/LCD TVs, those two Sony's (930E and 900E) would be your best recommendation for my needs if I went with an LCD tv?

If I decide that OLED won't be bright enough for the living room, I may just do LCD in the living room and then OLED in the bedroom.
OLEDs are not very bright compared to those two new 2017 Sonys. Both the 900E and 930E are excellent, the 930E is more expensive, supports Dobly Vision and is brighter. But the 900E is plenty bright enough and has FALD. If I were purchasing an LCD, I would be going with one of them over anything from Samsung, LG, or Vizio.

The following is a direct quote from the Rtings review of the LG OLED B6:

"Unfortunately the automatic backlight limiter (ABL) causes the fullscreen brightness to be very low, and it may not be enough to combat glare in bright rooms."
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The IPS panel 2016 Sony XBR85X850D is a good choice for a bright room with a wide viewing angle and is one of the lower-priced 85" sets.
That model is a VA panel (not IPS). It's the only size in that line with a VA panel.

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That model is a VA panel (not IPS). It's the only size in that line with a VA panel.
Yes you are correct! I had forgotten that. This is one of the most ignorant things that Sony and Vizio seem to do all the time. You can't have a model line that switches between VA and IPS panels because their characteristics are so different. Someone goes to Best Buy looking for a large TV with a wide viewing angle and they see the 75" 850D. Looks perfect but they want a little larger screen, so the sales person, having no idea the 85" uses a completely different type of panel, orders it for them. They pay to have it installed on the wall and when they turn it on it has the incredibly narrow VA panel viewing angle. Exactly what they didn't want. Sony did the same thing with the 810c series in 2015 where the 55" was a VA panel and the 65" was an IPS panel, and Vizio seems to throw in random IPS panels every series.
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I live in Japan and have a 52 inch HD Sharp TV about 6 years old. I want to get a 60 or 65 inch 4K TV and wall mount it. It would allow me to buy a much smaller TV stand, put my definite technology center speaker higher, and make my living room look bigger.

My chair/sofa are about 7 feet from the wall. There are 3 TVS I`m considering.

1) A Panasonic 60 4k..it weighs about 65 pounds. It`s a little heavier but the size is perfect. The other drawback are the cables are all in the rear. about $1800 (also made in Japan)

2) A Sony 65 Bravia 4K..it weighs less about 50 pounds. The cables are on the side with the exception of the antenna. I`m wondering if 65 is a little big for 7 feet? about $2300

3) Toshiba 58 4K... it`s light but made in China. It`s about $1300

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OLEDs are not very bright compared to those two new 2017 Sonys. Both the 900E and 930E are excellent, the 930E is more expensive, supports Dobly Vision and is brighter. But the 900E is plenty bright enough and has FALD. If I were purchasing an LCD, I would be going with one of them over anything from Samsung, LG, or Vizio.

The following is a direct quote from the Rtings review of the LG OLED B6:

"Unfortunately the automatic backlight limiter (ABL) causes the fullscreen brightness to be very low, and it may not be enough to combat glare in bright rooms."
I went and looked at some TVs yesterday at my local Best Buy. They had a B6 OLED outside of the Magnolia department in the normal BB showroom playing an HDR demo of a basketball player and it was really dark scene where most of the lights in the stadium were turned off, with some bright spot lights providing light, so it was really hard to even see the guys face. The spotlights were bright but the rest of the picture kept getting crushed.

I also looked at the new 77" OLED W and 75" Z9D side by side in the Magnolia department and both were near the front where it was very bright from the main store lights. Both were running an HDR demo, but different videos so it was not a direct comparison. I plan on going back with a thumb drive of an HDR demo clip to have the same content on both screens.

The Z9D did way better with HDR. There was one scene where the sun was rising and I had to squint my eyes a little. With the OLED W the image was bright but not "Wow, this is HDR!" like with the Z9D. Both sets were at the maximum brightness. The ZD9 did have some haloing, where as the OLED of course had perfect blacks. But these were uncalibrated screens, not sure if the haloing can be fixed on the Z9D with calibration.

I also checked out the 930E but they were unable to play HDR footage on it as they did not have it hooked up to an HDR source, so I still do not have any idea how well the HDR performance of the 930E is compared to the Z9D.

If the 930E's HDR performance is close to the Z9D, then I'll save the $1300 and get the 930E. I'm also not sure how well the 930E handles haloing and localized dimming since they only had a live basketball gaming playing on the TV in the store.

As for prices, the Z9D is the most expensive (Best offer was through Cleaveland AV). The 65E6 is $1000 (Best Buy) cheaper than the 65Z9D, and the 930E is $1300 (Best Buy) cheaper than the Z9D.

Once I get some time with the 930E I'll be able to make my final decision. I think my choices right now for the living room TV is between the Z9D and the 930E. If I get the Z9D, I will have to wait a bit longer until I replace my bedroom TV as I will use my budget for the bedroom TV to pay for the extra cost of the Z9D.
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will the current deals, or any deals coming in the next 2-3 weeks allow me to pick up a decent 75" or above with 4K TV for 2500 USD? I know that these days all the HDR and FLAD is the sweet and good stuff. Any chance i can get all this stuff with my budget of 2500 USD? I can push maybe another 500, but 2500 is the sweet spot (WAF).
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I currently have a 70" 1080P Sharp.

I want a TV that is bigger, covers all the HDR types and is 4K.

I would like to keep the budget at $3K.

I see a Vizip P Series 75" that is right there. There is also an LG 75UH8500 at that price.

Is one of those better? Is there something I'm missing that I should look at/get instead?

I also saw a Sony XBR-X940D but it was 1K more...is it that much better?

A perfect TV would be a 85" OLED 4K with all the HDR types for $2K but that is obviously another 5 years away at least. What is the best option to tide me over until then? Thanks!
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I went and looked at some TVs yesterday at my local Best Buy. They had a B6 OLED outside of the Magnolia department in the normal BB showroom playing an HDR demo of a basketball player and it was really dark scene where most of the lights in the stadium were turned off, with some bright spot lights providing light, so it was really hard to even see the guys face. The spotlights were bright but the rest of the picture kept getting crushed.
That's not what Rtings was talking about at all. The ABL severely reduces brightness only a maximum brightness and would not have been in effect on the scene you were looking at.

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I also checked out the 930E but they were unable to play HDR footage on it as they did not have it hooked up to an HDR source, so I still do not have any idea how well the HDR performance of the 930E is compared to the Z9D.

If the 930E's HDR performance is close to the Z9D, then I'll save the $1300 and get the 930E. I'm also not sure how well the 930E handles haloing and localized dimming since they only had a live basketball gaming playing on the TV in the store.
I'm thinking that you'll find that saving the $1,300 with the 930E is the way to go.
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All LED/LCD panels are cheaply made and none of the manufacturers does any meaningful QA. They are high volume commodity items. Then there's careless handling during assembly of the TV, and rough handling during shipping over large distances that can induce more defects. So with any LCD TV from any manufacturer, there will likely be issues with most every set.
Ended up picking up the 75" Sony 850d for $2300. Had some light leak at the edges and corners, but I managed to minimize or eliminate most of it with some tapping and massaging. Seems like a decent banger living room set.

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