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1. Budget
2-3k

2. Seating distance
About 12 feet

3.size/placement
65"+. Will be wall mounted about 4-5 feet off ground

4. Uses or sources
Mostly movies and video games. Also cable tv and Netflix some 4K And HDR

5. Room lighting.
Can be set to very low lighting in the basement of my house.

I'll see some of the recommendation and give me thoughts. Thanks in advance!
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I'm about to pull the trigger on an HDR-capable upgrade from my 2014 Vizio P602ui-B3, trying to keep it to about $2000. It's looking very much like the best choice (for me) at that price point is Sony's XBR65X900E.

I'd stay with Vizio--more bang for the buck--but (a) the stand is way too wide for my current setup, so I'd have to buy a stand to attach to the wall mount holes and (b) they've screwed up and made their super-low-latency HDMI 5 input non-HDR and display latency on the other HDMI connections is not so great (the Sony isn't outstanding, but rtings.com measured it as 34.2 ms w/HDR versus 43.8 ms from the 2016 P-Series with HDR. I'm not hooking my Xbox S (or future Scorpio) to a non-HDR HDMI connection.

Another point against the Vizio is that I wanted to use Amazon for financing and they're out of the -C1 and don't have the -E1 yet.

I'd considered Samsung, but I'd want the MU9000 and it's $600 over budget. I'd prefer the XBR65X930E (it has significantly lower display lag and it'll apparently be upgraded to include Dolby Vision whereas the 900E will not) but it's $1000 over. The non-OLED LGs have not reviewed well.

It's a pity that no one is making 60" TVs anymore; if there was a similar price delta between 60- and 65-inches as there was in the past it I could more easily afford the model tiers I'd prefer. I'm perfectly fine with the current size of my TV, but I'm not going smaller.

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Do you need wide viewing angles? If not, eliminate the IPS panel LG set - pretty much all LG LCDs are IPS panels. VA panels have much deeper black levels. The VA panel Samsung 65MU8000 is inferior to last year's 65KS8000 which is still available in some Best Buy stores at a lower price. So get the KS8000 instead if you can. The only Vizio to consider is the VA panel P65-C1, and the 2017 will be the same as the 2016 except it will replace the SmartCast Android tablet with a more standard remote.
Thanks VA_DaveB...No don't need wide viewing angles...the Samsung 65KS8000 is sold out in all Northern VA BB stores...only sold on Amazon by Video and Camera center and Beach Camera for $1800. I would need to hire someone to professionally wall mount and then connect to all my components. Would also buy an extended warranty.

I currently have two Samsungs (both 1080p) and have liked them a lot...but the price point for Samsungs is a bit higher than what I want to spend, but may have to go to this one it is 10 bit HDR panel.

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Thanks VA_DaveB...No don't need wide viewing angles...the Samsung 65KS8000 is sold out in all Northern VA BB stores...only sold on Amazon by Video and Camera center and Beach Camera for $1800. I would need to hire someone to professionally wall mount and then connect to all my components. Would also buy an extended warranty.

I currently have two Samsungs (both 1080p) and have liked them a lot...but the price point for Samsungs is a bit higher than what I want to spend, but may have to go to this one it is 10 bit HDR panel.
Yeah I recommended the Samsung UN65KS8000 to my son-in-law but, as you say, none available in Northern VA. Since my daughter just gave birth to my grandson last week, they were a little preoccupied (and still are). So he'll likely go with my other recommendation, the Sony XBR65X900E, when things calm down a bit.
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I’ve read the forums for several hours and decided I still need more focused help.

I’m getting a new house and am about the buy five new TVs: four 55” and a 75”. I want the 75 and one of the 55s to be very premium (though not the ultra-priced OLED) and am considering the new Samsung QLEDs for these two. The 75 will be in a living room to be used both day and night, while the others will be bedroom TVs used primarily at night. I also like to project 4K images and video from PC to TV (screen mirroring), so need a good processor. The other three can be good quality SUHD sets. All should support HDR.

Recommendations? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Finally, given the largish order, does it pay to source it all from the same place and seek a special deal from a salesman?

1. Budget (in online prices)

<$2k for the three lower-priced 55s.
< $3K for the premium 55
<$6K for the premium 75

2. Seating distance

The 55’s are all bedroom and thus around 10-11’.
The 75 will be in a living room with an average distance of 10-15"

3. Size/placement limitations

The 75 will go above a fireplace (with heat protection). The four 55s will be wall mounted.

4. Uses and sources

Sports, movies, general TV

DirecTV
Some PC screen mirroring.
Internet streaming, e.g., Netflix, etc.
Maybe AppleTV, Chromecast
I doubt I’ll bother with Blu-ray or other physical media

Uverse Gigabit Fiber is available there, so bandwidth is no issue.

5. Room lighting

The four 55s will be in bedrooms and viewed mostly at night.
The 75 will be used both day and night with good natural lighting during the day.
5. Room lighting
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I’ve read the forums for several hours and decided I still need more focused help.

I’m getting a new house and am about the buy five new TVs: four 55” and a 75”. I want the 75 and one of the 55s to be very premium (though not the ultra-priced OLED) and am considering the new Samsung QLEDs for these two. The 75 will be in a living room to be used both day and night, while the others will be bedroom TVs used primarily at night. I also like to project 4K images and video from PC to TV (screen mirroring), so need a good processor. The other three can be good quality SUHD sets. All should support HDR.

Recommendations? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Finally, given the largish order, does it pay to source it all from the same place and seek a special deal from a salesman?

1. Budget (in online prices)

<$2k for the three lower-priced 55s.
< $3K for the premium 55
<$6K for the premium 75

2. Seating distance

The 55’s are all bedroom and thus around 10-11’.
The 75 will be in a living room with an average distance of 10-15"

3. Size/placement limitations

The 75 will go above a fireplace (with heat protection). The four 55s will be wall mounted.

4. Uses and sources

Sports, movies, general TV

DirecTV
Some PC screen mirroring.
Internet streaming, e.g., Netflix, etc.
Maybe AppleTV, Chromecast
I doubt I’ll bother with Blu-ray or other physical media

Uverse Gigabit Fiber is available there, so bandwidth is no issue.

5. Room lighting

The four 55s will be in bedrooms and viewed mostly at night.
The 75 will be used both day and night with good natural lighting during the day.
5. Room lighting
This year's Samsungs are not up to par, including the QLED Q7F. So here are my recommendations.

<$2k for the three lower-priced 55s - Sony XBR55X900E ($1.5K) or Sony XBR55X930E ($2K)
< $3K for the premium 55 - LG OLED55C7P. You can get an OLED for only $2.8K
<$6K for the premium 75 - Sony XBR75X940E. Much better TV than the similar priced Samsung QN75Q7F

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This year's Samsungs are not up to par, including the QLED Q7F. So here are my recommendations.

<$2k for the three lower-priced 55s - Sony XBR55X900E ($1.5K) or Sony XBR55X930E ($2K)
< $3K for the premium 55 - LG OLED55C7P. You can get an OLED for only $2.8K
<$6K for the premium 75 - Sony XBR75X940E. Much better TV than the similar priced Samsung QN75Q7F

Thanks so much. My installer says he hates LG due to its lack of discreet On and Off IR codes and that its proprietary mount had no option for articulating mounts. Is his information outdated and/or is this not that much of a big deal. I do admit to hating when components getting out of sync on the on/off.
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Thanks so much. My installer says he hates LG due to its lack of discreet On and Off IR codes and that its proprietary mount had no option for articulating mounts. Is his information outdated and/or is this not that much of a big deal. I do admit to hating when components getting out of sync on the on/off.
I have no knowledge of LG discreet On and Off IR codes. You could look at this 2015/2016 LG IR Codes link.

There's another thread here on 2016 model LG OLED Wall Mount Options. It seems to contain some alternatives to LG mounts.

But I personally would not choose a TV based on the installer's convenience.
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I have no knowledge of LG discreet On and Off IR codes. You could look at this 2015/2016 LG IR Codes link.

There's another thread here on 2016 model LG OLED Wall Mount Options. It seems to contain some alternatives to LG mounts.

But I personally would not choose a TV based on the installer's convenience.
Thanks again. I agree that installer convenience isn't the highest of my goals here.
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Yeah I recommended the Samsung UN65KS8000 to my son-in-law but, as you say, none available in Northern VA. Since my daughter just gave birth to my grandson last week, they were a little preoccupied (and still are). So he'll likely go with my other recommendation, the Sony XBR65X900E, when things calm down a bit.
First, CONGRATS on the grandson!

I found a Samsung UN65KS8000 for $1699.99 (local AV-IQ store) and the 65MU8000 for $1799.99 (at Big Screen Store). However, their install costs and warranty for the AV-IQ electronics store were too much where as the big screen store had a better warranty package ($50 for three years vs $199 for 2) and install costs were a bit lower (including 4k HDMI cables). Looking at a mid-range receiver that I will buy online $400-450.

So decisions, decisions.
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From my extensive reading on this site I seem to have narrowed down to the sony 900e, 930e and the Visio p series. Seems that these are some of the best tvs that 2017 has to offer besides oled. I think I would like to stay away from that tech until they figure out the image retention problems!

I do like the idea of a tv that supports all current hdr formats and that would narrow my choice further to the 930e or the p series at my price point.

This tv will be in a basement so lighting will be low when watching movies but I do want the tv to be bright enough when all the lights are on as well. For 3000 it looks like a 65" 930e or a 75" p series. Any opinions? And if I am wrong in these assumptions in my post let me know!
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Hi All,


I'm looking at Costco's current offerings and wondered what you all recommended for a 70-75" set to replace a 9(?) year old 67" Samsung DLP. I'm hoping I can get at least as much life out of this next tv.


Big room, lots of light through a 12' arcadia door on the north side of the room. 70% OTA, 25% Netflix and 5% DVDs. TV is on east wall and is 13' from the east facing sofa. There is another sofa facing north that is 90 degrees to the TV. Needless to say the DLP is barely watchable from this sofa during the day and I expect that will change with even the lowest cost LCD.


Looking at the $2000-3500 range. I'd prefer to buy it at Costco because they are close and I think it will be relatively easy to deal with them if there is a problem. So I think that leaves me with:


Vizio P75-C1
Vizio E75-E3
LG 75UJ657A
Samsung UN75JU7100


I might consider the Vizio E80 if they still have them at the online price - says it ended 4 days ago. It's a bit of a stretch price wise. I'd love to hear the P75 vs E80 argument since there is not much price difference.


Let me know what you think of these and if I missed anything at the store or online that I should consider. The Samsung looked good in the store but the reviews are concerning. Not crazy about the brushed gray bezel on the LG.


I'm not a purist. I simply want something bigger, brighter, sharper and with better off axis viewing in a bright room. I would hope that it will last 9 years like the DLP did. I think just about any of these will work, I just don't want to miss a key feature or end up with something that dies on me in a year or two or has some crazy lines or backlighting issues. I guess I will also need a recommendation on an OTA tuner since I gather that none of these have one.


Thanks!
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'm not a purist. I simply want something bigger, brighter, sharper and with better off axis viewing in a bright room.
From what you've said, you should be looking at IPS panel sets for better off axis viewing in a bright room. Of your choices, Vizio P75-C1, Vizio E75-E3, LG 75UJ657A and Samsung UN75JU7100, only the LG 75UJ657A has an IPS panel with good off axis viewing. But it is a cheaper model with only a 60 Hz native refresh rate. If you are willing shop elsewhere, the Sony XBR75X850D is a better native 120 Hz IPS panel set.
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Hi Guys,

I'm in need of some help here. I currently have the 2016 Samsung 65KS8500 (curved 4k) TV. I have had it 8 months and had nothing but problems. Samsung finally has agreed to replace it or refund my purchase price. Here are my options:

1. I can get a refurb. UN65ks900, but they will only give me the remaining 4 months warranty I had left on my other TV, and I don’t like the idea of a refurb.
2. The other option is they will refund my $1997 purchase price.

So I'm leaning towards the refund, but what does everyone think. If I go with a new TV I’m kinda lost on what to go with. Here are my criteria:

I watch a lot of sports and I play a lot of PS4, mainly sports games, so something with little lag and want 65 inches

1. Budget (in online prices)
Around $2500

2. Seating distance

About 7-8 feet

3. Size/placement limitations

65 inches is the biggest I can go

4. Uses and sources

SPORTS, PS4, movies, general TV (Comcast Xfinity), panasonic blu-ray


5. Room lighting

Room tends to be a little darker than avg. I used the rting.com’s calibrations on the Samsung and bumped up the brightness a little.
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Hi Guys,

I'm in need of some help here. I currently have the 2016 Samsung 65KS8500 (curved 4k) TV. I have had it 8 months and had nothing but problems. Samsung finally has agreed to replace it or refund my purchase price. Here are my options:

1. I can get a refurb. UN65ks900, but they will only give me the remaining 4 months warranty I had left on my other TV, and I don’t like the idea of a refurb.
2. The other option is they will refund my $1997 purchase price.

So I'm leaning towards the refund, but what does everyone think. If I go with a new TV I’m kinda lost on what to go with. Here are my criteria:

I watch a lot of sports and I play a lot of PS4, mainly sports games, so something with little lag and want 65 inches

1. Budget (in online prices)
Around $2500

2. Seating distance

About 7-8 feet

3. Size/placement limitations

65 inches is the biggest I can go

4. Uses and sources

SPORTS, PS4, movies, general TV (Comcast Xfinity), panasonic blu-ray


5. Room lighting

Room tends to be a little darker than avg. I used the rting.com’s calibrations on the Samsung and bumped up the brightness a little.
Take the refund not the refurb and look at the Sony XBR65X900E which is a good all around VA panel FALD set.
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Hello. I'm trying to decide between a few sets. This is for a bedroom tv, 99% night viewing. Currently have a 2009, 43" samsung plasma and am looking to go up to 50". Lots of basic directv/movies/and ps4 gaming.

The following tv's are the ones I'm considering and am pretty much topping out at $800 that im willing to spend.

50" Vizio P-Series (2016 or 2017-when its released). Concerns for it: top of price range, 60hz/motion blur problems?, 2016 has stupid tablet. Pros: one of the best reviewed, even the 2016 seems to be going to be getting every update the 2017 model is. However on vizio's website I didn't see the 2017 50" listed. It is coming out correct?

50" Vizio M-Series (2016 or 2017-when its released). Concerns for it: not as many dimming zones (HATE clouding/blooming, especially from having a plasma so long), not as great implementation of HDR (so ive heard), 60hz/motion blur problems?, 2016 has stupid tablet. Pros: about $150-$200 cheaper though so thats nice and i could put it towards a sound bar or something.

50" TCL P-Series Concerns for it: apparently not coming out till end of the year for some reason, unknown quality from this brand trying to do a "high-end" version, says 120hz motion (very possible the "effective" like the vizios), Pros: even cheaper than the M series which is great and has a headphone jack in the remote which is honestly HUGE when the wife has gone to sleep I can still watch shows and/or game (ps4 lets you plug headphones into controller but audio cuts out a lot).

All things considered my hope and probably first choice is the TCL P-series for price point and features but still so much is unknown. I like the fact it has 72 zones of dimming. FALD is a must. The 55" of the TCL comes out next week so perhaps once reviews of that come out I can gauge if its worth the wait. I just really hate that the 50" isnt scheduled to come out till the end of the year. I had a vizio in the past and liked it well enough, I'm just worried about blooming and motion being janky on the 50"s for pretty much all of them. I have an ST60 plasma in the living room so input lag clearly does not bother me lol. I only have a basic ps4 now so 4k isnt really a huge deal to me yet. I will consider an Xbox Scorpio if the price is right and whatnot for my 4k gaming needs.

Thank you for any input you guys can give.

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Will mostly be used during the day but night viewing with lights on frequently as well. Video games, movies, and cartoons are a priority. I don't watch sports much anymore and we mostly just use Netflix, amazon, or Plex. Not too concerned with cable box content.

Problem is my living room is really long so debating a 65" or something bigger. I estimate the viewing distance would be over 15' in most cases. We currently have an old 60" sharp LCD that we use from about 14' and that has worked well.

Looking at the 930e or lg b6p for 65" and the Vizio P75 or the new M75 if I go bigger.

Room has two windows so some natural light will get in but I can mitigate. Viewing angles might not be directly centered unless I choose to mount over the gas fireplace.

Not closing on the house for a few weeks so I have some time to deal hunt.

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Hello. I'm trying to decide between a few sets. This is for a bedroom tv, 99% night viewing. Currently have a 2009, 43" samsung plasma and am looking to go up to 50". Lots of basic directv/movies/and ps4 gaming.

The following tv's are the ones I'm considering and am pretty much topping out at $800 that im willing to spend.

50" Vizio P-Series (2016 or 2017-when its released). Concerns for it: top of price range, 60hz/motion blur problems?, 2016 has stupid tablet. Pros: one of the best reviewed, even the 2016 seems to be going to be getting every update the 2017 model is. However on vizio's website I didn't see the 2017 50" listed. It is coming out correct?

50" Vizio M-Series (2016 or 2017-when its released). Concerns for it: not as many dimming zones (HATE clouding/blooming, especially from having a plasma so long), not as great implementation of HDR (so ive heard), 60hz/motion blur problems?, 2016 has stupid tablet. Pros: about $150-$200 cheaper though so thats nice and i could put it towards a sound bar or something.

50" TCL P-Series Concerns for it: apparently not coming out till end of the year for some reason, unknown quality from this brand trying to do a "high-end" version, says 120hz motion (very possible the "effective" like the vizios), Pros: even cheaper than the M series which is great and has a headphone jack in the remote which is honestly HUGE when the wife has gone to sleep I can still watch shows and/or game (ps4 lets you plug headphones into controller but audio cuts out a lot).

All things considered my hope and probably first choice is the TCL P-series for price point and features but still so much is unknown. I like the fact it has 72 zones of dimming. FALD is a must. The 55" of the TCL comes out next week so perhaps once reviews of that come out I can gauge if its worth the wait. I just really hate that the 50" isnt scheduled to come out till the end of the year. I had a vizio in the past and liked it well enough, I'm just worried about blooming and motion being janky on the 50"s for pretty much all of them. I have an ST60 plasma in the living room so input lag clearly does not bother me lol. I only have a basic ps4 now so 4k isnt really a huge deal to me yet. I will consider an Xbox Scorpio if the price is right and whatnot for my 4k gaming needs.

Thank you for any input you guys can give.
Personally, I would avoid any and all 60 Hz sets. You say FALD is a "must" and $800 is your ceiling so you've pretty much listed all your choices. If you can free up some extra cash the Sony XBR49X900E is a 120 Hz FALD set with good motion/judder control.
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ALL: Got the Samsung 65KS8000 from a local electronics store...they had two at the beginning of last week...by Friday they were down to one...so bought on Friday for $1699.99. Getting a local TV install guy to wall mount and hide cables inside wall.

Question: This TV comes with the One Connect box. I have a DirecTV box, a new 4k AV receiver, and a regular blue ray. All of these components will be hooked up to the 4k receiver and then I assume a HDMI will run to the one connect box which will run to the TV...just confirming if this is the correct configuration? I will also post question on the KS800 owners thread.
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Hey Guys,

Looking to get a new TV and any help would be appreciated.

1. Budget – Around $1200
2. Seating distance – About 8-10'
3. Size/placement limitations - Will be wall mounted
4. Uses and sources – Used for mostly TV watching and PSPro Gaming
5. Room lighting – No windows, walls on 3 sides.

So I'm looking to replace a Sony XBR850 that was an absolute lemon. It had all kinds of issues, including random reboots for no reason. So we are pretty annoyed with Sony right now and are looking to steer clear of it.

I'm in the range of either 55, 60, or 65". I'd also like it to be 4k HDR.

I've been looking at Samsungs and LGs so far. I looked at the Vizio P-Series, but I don't like the lack of built in smart functions or the tablet remote.

Recommendations would be appreciated.
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I'm looking for a 49-50' TV for a bedroom. Will be used often for games in a dark room. Not sure if I can fit a 55' OLED without it looking too large. I'm currently using a 42' LG LCD.

Seating area will be 6 to 8 ft away. Not worried about budget.

Any suggestions or advice? Thanks!
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I'm looking for a 49-50' TV for a bedroom. Will be used often for games in a dark room. Not sure if I can fit a 55' OLED without it looking too large. I'm currently using a 42' LG LCD.

Seating area will be 6 to 8 ft away. Not worried about budget.

Any suggestions or advice? Thanks!
The footprint of an OLED isn't large, relatively-speaking. My 55B6P is 8" wider than the 42" CFL it replaced. Couldn't deal with 6' though. YMMV. You'll need to check it in a store.

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The footprint of an OLED isn't large, relatively-speaking. My 55B6P is 8" wider than the 42" CFL it replaced. Couldn't deal with 6' though. YMMV. You'll need to check it in a store.
Yea, I forgot to mention I will be wall mounting as well, which means I would need a new mount for OLED as well. What a pain. I'm sure the minute I buy a set someone will anounce a 50' OLED.

Anyone know which 50' set is currently the best?
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Yea, I forgot to mention I will be wall mounting as well, which means I would need a new mount for OLED as well. What a pain. I'm sure the minute I buy a set someone will anounce a 50' OLED.
Odds of that aren't good due to price point and economies of scale. Mounting point is lower than LCD, BTW.

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Yea, I forgot to mention I will be wall mounting as well, which means I would need a new mount for OLED as well. What a pain. I'm sure the minute I buy a set someone will anounce a 50' OLED.

Anyone know which 50' set is currently the best?
The Sony XBR49X900E.
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Hey Guys,

Looking to get a new TV and any help would be appreciated.

1. Budget – Around $1200
2. Seating distance – About 8-10'
3. Size/placement limitations - Will be wall mounted
4. Uses and sources – Used for mostly TV watching and PSPro Gaming
5. Room lighting – No windows, walls on 3 sides.

So I'm looking to replace a Sony XBR850 that was an absolute lemon. It had all kinds of issues, including random reboots for no reason. So we are pretty annoyed with Sony right now and are looking to steer clear of it.

I'm in the range of either 55, 60, or 65". I'd also like it to be 4k HDR.

I've been looking at Samsungs and LGs so far. I looked at the Vizio P-Series, but I don't like the lack of built in smart functions or the tablet remote.

Recommendations would be appreciated.
LGs are just about all IPS panels which you only want if you need extended viewing angles as the black levels are not good. This year's Samsungs aren't very good. See if you can pick up a 2016 Samsung KS8000 or KS9000 while they're still available since you're not going to get another Sony. The 2017 Vizio P series is doing away with the tablet and going to a standard remote if you can wait.
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i am probably in the minority , but i think "future-proofing" is an up-sell marketing strategy... by the time those future proof features are useful there will be just as many features this "future-proof" tv doesn't have that would be useful (ultra high contrast , 8k, or an actual fully integrated smart tv os.. or any # of unknown as yet upgrades).. get the tv you like most for the $$ you want to spend now.. the Sony x900e seems like the best mid range bang for buck now...think about this... 1080P is the standard NOW, yet the tv sellers have us buying 4k sets for twice as much money(at full retail) when 4k content is scarce and still just trickling in..if you are going to watch over the air or cable / sat content mostly you are probably close to a decade away from 4k content dominating the airwaves..lots of those "future proof" tv's that are being purchased now won't even be around to take advantage of it .
You make some good points, and I totally agree with you on how absurd the idea of "future proofing" is!

Right now I think I'm going to wait and see how prices shake out in the months leading up to Black Friday. I'd be comfortable paying $1100-1200 for the 55" x900e or $1500-1600 for the x930, but the prices aren't there yet and it feels like we're still in the "shaking down early adopters" price period haha
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LGs are just about all IPS panels which you only want if you need extended viewing angles as the black levels are not good. This year's Samsungs aren't very good. See if you can pick up a 2016 Samsung KS8000 or KS9000 while they're still available since you're not going to get another Sony. The 2017 Vizio P series is doing away with the tablet and going to a standard remote if you can wait.
Thanks for the tips. Do you have any idea of when Vizio will be updating their line without the tablet remotes?
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Thanks for the tips. Do you have any idea of when Vizio will be updating their line without the tablet remotes?
The Vizio website says the 2017 P series 55" and 65" sets will ship within 3 weeks if you buy directly from them. The 2017 75" Vizio P series is listed as "Coming Soon".
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The Vizio website says the 2017 P series 55" and 65" sets will ship within 3 weeks if you buy directly from them. The 2017 75" Vizio P series is listed as "Coming Soon".
Although the one thing I don't like about Vizios are the smartcast features. I can get by without the Tv Tuner, but I'd rather have apps on the TV than have to stream to it from a device.
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