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1. Budget: under $1000
2. Seating distance: 10-12 feet
3. Size/placement limitations: 55"-65", 4k.
4. Uses and sources: Mainly Plex/Netflix over Roku/Xbox One.
5. Room lighting: Well lit during the day. Not much dark room viewing.

Looking to replace my Samsung LN52A750. The old Samsung display is going into the bedroom (bedroom TV died). Looking to upgrade to 4k, but don't want to spend $$$$ like I did when I bought the LN52A750 in 2008 (~$2400). Anything similar in contrast and viewing angles to the LN52A750?
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1. Budget: $1500 -$2000
2. Seating distance: My primary distance is 9 ft, but my couch which will run perpendicluar to the tv will be 4 ft away from the end seat. This will only be an issue with company.
3. Size/placement limitations: 55"-65"
4. Uses and sources: Will use for movies, netflix, DirecTV and sports.
5. Room lighting: dim

I am looking to upgrade and am coming from a 50" plasma. I'm heavily considering the Vizio P65, but am unsure if it's too large for the distance from the end of the couch. Alternatively I was looking at the 55" LG B6 OLED. However, I have heard the motion is not great on it for movies. I hate the soap opera effect. I would like for it to be able to support Dolby vision. Any advice is appreciated.
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1. Budget: $1500 -$2000
2. Seating distance: My primary distance is 9 ft, but my couch which will run perpendicluar to the tv will be 4 ft away from the end seat. This will only be an issue with company.
3. Size/placement limitations: 55"-65"
4. Uses and sources: Will use for movies, netflix, DirecTV and sports.
5. Room lighting: dim

I am looking to upgrade and am coming from a 50" plasma. I'm heavily considering the Vizio P65, but am unsure if it's too large for the distance from the end of the couch. Alternatively I was looking at the 55" LG B6 OLED. However, I have heard the motion is not great on it for movies. I hate the soap opera effect. I would like for it to be able to support Dolby vision. Any advice is appreciated.
Coming from a plasma plus having that off-angle viewing location, I'd recommend you go for the LG OLED. I don't know specifically what motion issues you think it has, users can induce the soap opera affect if they choose to via interpolation if like it. But it isn't needed or required for watching movies and OLEDs are considered to have pretty much perfect motion control. The only issue with OLEDs is the Automatic Backlight Limiter (ABL) limiting full-screen brightness.
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Looking for Non OLED flat screen.
1.Budget is $2000.00
2.Viewing distance is 16 feet.
3.Room is dark normally with small ceiling lights.
4.Wall space limits to 75"screen.
5.Viewing angle is directly at screen
6.Will be wall mounted,roughly 6 feet off the floor.
7.Looking for best picture available.
8.Main use will be Movies,cable tv, Amazon firestick and blue ray.
Not picky about options,just as long as it emits a nice smooth viewing experience.
Thanks for any help in advance.
With a direct angle, you only want a VA panel but 75" at that size doesn't leave many options and 65" may not be big enough for you at 16 feet. Right at $2K is the Vizio E75-E3, a 60 Hz VA panel set with deep blacks and FALD. The FALD, however, has only 14 zones so it is just OK. Since the room is dark, the deep black levels will provide an excellent picture and the low brightness level won't be much of an issue. Even though its only 60 Hz, the motion control is fairly good and it can play 24p blu-rays without judder. Most anything else at 75" at $2K or less would be an inferior older model 1080p.
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Currently have Vizio E70u-D3. Looking to swap to one of these possibly. In two ranges as I'm not sure which budget I can swing yet. Choices need to come from these TVs. So let me know thoughts on each group of choices separately!


Which out of these these 2 (M65 is $100 less)


Vizio E70-E3 vs Vizio M65-D0


And then which out of these 3: (all 3 exact same price)


Vizio M70-E3 vs Vizio M70-D3 vs Vizio P65-C1. Not sure tradeoff for 2016 M vs 2017 M (120hz.more diming vs better color?) or 5 less inches.


Obviously bigger is great, but is the 5 inches better than going from E to M for my lower budget or from M to P on the higher budget?


1. Budget - Canadian funds - $1800 lower ones, $2800 higher ones.
2. Seating distance - 11-12 feet
3. Size/placement limitations - 65 or 70 inch
4. Uses and sources - Lots of gaming (Xbox 1 (will upgrade to Xbox 1 X for 4K), PS4 Pro, Nintendo Switch). Also fair bit of TV and movies.
5. Room lighting - Primarily watched at night - 7pm and later. So darker room mostly.
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1. Budget: 2-3500$
2. Seating distance - 10-13ft
3. Size/placement limitations - 55-65", wall mounted
4. Uses and sources - tv, netflix/etc, some gaming
5. Room lighting - living room with multiple windows

We are looking to move our current Panny VT50 into a secondary bedroom for dedicated movies/gaming and minimize its usage, as its getting up there in age. We are looking for something as similar as possible for color/black levels/etc. Sports are watched, so something that performs well with fast movement would be a bonus.
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Coming from a plasma plus having that off-angle viewing location, I'd recommend you go for the LG OLED. I don't know specifically what motion issues you think it has, users can induce the soap opera affect if they choose to via interpolation if like it. But it isn't needed or required for watching movies and OLEDs are considered to have pretty much perfect motion control. The only issue with OLEDs is the Automatic Backlight Limiter (ABL) limiting full-screen brightness.
I guess I'm really looking for a television that removes judder without having the soap opera effect. According to rtings the Vizio scored higher than the B6 in that category. They state the Vizio is judder free at 24P, and at 24P via 60P/60I. Am I misinterpreting that? This is a lot of info I'm trying to digest.

Off angle viewing is a concern but that will only be an issue with company. What about the Sony 930 compared to these two?
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I guess I'm really looking for a television that removes judder without having the soap opera effect. According to rtings the Vizio scored higher than the B6 in that category. They state the Vizio is judder free at 24P, and at 24P via 60P/60I. Am I misinterpreting that? This is a lot of info I'm trying to digest.

Off angle viewing is a concern but that will only be an issue with company. What about the Sony 930 compared to these two?
The 930E also has judder with 24P via 60P/60I. If judder 24P via 60P/60I is a big issue for you, the cheaper Sony 900E is judder free with all 24p sources and is quite a bit cheaper than the 930E. You could compare the Vizio P to the Sony 900E and make your choice. Either of those will look poorly to your company at the off-angle location.
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With a direct angle, you only want a VA panel but 75" at that size doesn't leave many options and 65" may not be big enough for you at 16 feet. Right at $2K is the Vizio E75-E3, a 60 Hz VA panel set with deep blacks and FALD. The FALD, however, has only 14 zones so it is just OK. Since the room is dark, the deep black levels will provide an excellent picture and the low brightness level won't be much of an issue. Even though its only 60 Hz, the motion control is fairly good and it can play 24p blu-rays without judder. Most anything else at 75" at $2K or less would be an inferior older model 1080p.
Okay, make it $3000.00 and include sports viewing which I neglected to mention.
Thanks for your reply
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Okay, make it $3000.00 and include sports viewing which I neglected to mention.
Thanks for your reply
I think you'd have to go more to $3,500 - $3,750 and look at the 2017 Vizio P75-E1 or the Samsung XBR75X900E to get to the next level. These are 120 Hz native refresh with FALD. The Vizio has better FALD while the Sony is brighter with better motion control and upscaling. The Sony XBR75X850E is also good for sports but is edge lit with no local dimming. The $2,500 Vizio M class is still a 60 Hz set and the new Samsung MU series are inferior to last year's KS series.
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Update from earlier as I've changed some of the options I'm looking at. Background: I just got rid of my LG B6 that had major burn in issues. I love the OLEDs, but I watch a lot of news with static banners and I don't want to be constantly paranoid when I watch cable.

1. Budget: $1700 - $2500
2. Seating distance: ~9.5 feet if wall mounted, ~8.5 feet (65 inch) if on stand (55 inch)
3. Size/placement limitations: 55" or 65" - prefer to wall mount
4. Uses and sources: TV, streaming (Netflix, Amazon, HBO Go)
5. Room lighting: Controlled. I tend to prefer to watch TV at night with a light on, and the light source is a floor lamp on the opposite side of the TV.

My three finalists:

55 inch Samsung Q7F (under $2K on Amazon) - Since I'm looking to wall mount, I love the no gap wall mount and the basically invisible one connect cable. However, the TV is expensive, and I'm concerned about war mounted a 55 inch about 10 feet away.

65 inch Samsung Q7F (under $3K on Amazon) - This is the TV I really want, but the price I can get on Amazon (under $3K) is a bit out of my comfort zone, although I do use the TV every day, and it would probably provide me more utility.

65 inch Samsung MU8000 ($1700 new) - My main two concerns are the (seemingly?) inferior picture quality compared to the Q7 series and the semi-gloss screen which has bad reflections. The obvious plus here is the price for a 65 inch TV with pretty good build quality.
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My three finalists:

55 inch Samsung Q7F (under $2K on Amazon) - Since I'm looking to wall mount, I love the no gap wall mount and the basically invisible one connect cable. However, the TV is expensive, and I'm concerned about war mounted a 55 inch about 10 feet away.

65 inch Samsung Q7F (under $3K on Amazon) - This is the TV I really want, but the price I can get on Amazon (under $3K) is a bit out of my comfort zone, although I do use the TV every day, and it would probably provide me more utility.

65 inch Samsung MU8000 ($1700 new) - My main two concerns are the (seemingly?) inferior picture quality compared to the Q7 series and the semi-gloss screen which has bad reflections. The obvious plus here is the price for a 65 inch TV with pretty good build quality.
You're saying you can get $300+ off Amazon's Samsung Q7F pricing, and that's what you want so then just get the 65" Q7F. The MU8000 shouldn't even be in the mix. I'd recommend you look at the 65" Sony 900E for $2K but you seem fixated on Samsung in general and that Q7F flush mount.
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The 930E also has judder with 24P via 60P/60I. If judder 24P via 60P/60I is a big issue for you, the cheaper Sony 900E is judder free with all 24p sources and is quite a bit cheaper than the 930E. You could compare the Vizio P to the Sony 900E and make your choice. Either of those will look poorly to your company at the off-angle location.
Weird that the higher end model of Sony will have more judder issues.
Am I just overblowing the issue? I do prefer the quality reviews of the Sony over the Vizio.

Also the 930E will be getting Dolby Vision. Is that a signicant upgrade ove the 900E? I'd like to be as future proof as possible.

What is your recommendation on size? Will 65" be too large for my viewing area? Should I go with 55"

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Weird that the higher end model of Sony will have more judder issues.
Am I just overblowing the issue? I do prefer the quality reviews of the Sony over the Vizio.

What is your recommendation on size? Will 65" be too large for my viewing area? Should I go with 55"
The one thing consistent about the LCD marketplace is the weirdness. That's why there is no perfect TV for everybody since they all have some shortcomings and odd design choices. And the manufacturers go one step further by mixing IPS and VA panels in the same models.

As far as 24p judder goes, it all depends on how sensitive you are to it. I notice it immediately and intensely dislike it, while others hardly notice.

There's no problem with a 65" at 9 feet, but 4 feet away at an off-angle with a VA panel isn't the best for sure.

Looking at the 900E and 930E side by side in the store, they were very similar and I didn't think the 930E was worth the extra money. But you want Dolby vision and only the 930 has that. Both blew away the more expensive Samsung Q7F which was close by. But that is just my opinion. The 65" 900E is $300 more than the new 2017 Vizio P75-E1 which can be ordered directly from Vizio. Between the two, the Vizio has better FALD with more Zones, the Sony is brighter and has better upscaling, and HDR is decent on either. But if you want Dolby Vision, go with the Vizio since the 900E won't be getting that - only the 930E and up. The 2017 Vizio P has a standard style remote with regular onscreen menus, no more weird tablet.
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Vizio M60-D1 Vs LG 60UH7700 vs Samsung UN60KS8000

Vizio M60-D1 Vs LG 60UH7700 vs Samsung UN60KS8000

which one to choose, the price ranges are smaller to higher in the above order

Normal all purpose viewing, not a fan of DV but want good 4K with HDR and nice upscaling

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Vizio M60-D1 Vs LG 60UH7700 vs Samsung UN60KS8000

which one to choose, the price ranges are smaller to higher in the above order

Normal all purpose viewing, not a fan of DV but want good 4K with HDR and nice upscaling

Please share your thoughts
The Samsung UN60KS8000 is clearly the best of those choices if you can still find one.
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The Samsung UN60KS8000 is clearly the best of those choices if you can still find one.
Thanks for the reply but i need to shell out double the money, how about Samsung UN60KS6300 compared to the LG and Vizio, is it worth going for Samsung on this model ?
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Thanks for the reply but i need to shell out double the money, how about Samsung UN60KS6300 compared to the LG and Vizio, is it worth going for Samsung on this model ?
The UN60KU6300 is a lower-end 2016 60 Hz model that does not compare to the UN60KS8000. The LG 60UH7700 is an IPS panel set with poor contrast and weak black levels that you should only consider if you watch in a lighted room and need the extended viewing angles. The Vizio M60-D1 is a mid-range 2016 model that has been replaced by the 2017 Vizio M65-E0 which is now a 60 Hz VA panel set with deep blacks, OK FALD and decent brightness. The 2017 is brighter than the 2016 but has half the dimming zones and the 2016 was 120 Hz.

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1. Budget: Under $650
2. Seating distance: My distance is 8-10 ft,
3. Size/placement limitations: 55"
4. Uses and sources: movies, netflix, xbox one, and cable
5. Room lighting: open living room


Looked at the E55-E1 from Vizio, a Hisense model, and some other lower end tv's. Want 4k if at all possible, and supposedly the e55-E1 does HDR. Audio is not an issue from the monitor/tv as I will have a surround sound setup.


Thanks in advance for any input.
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1. Budget: $3000
2. Seating distance: 10-12 feet
3. Size/placement limitations: 75", 4k.
4. Uses and sources: Plex, gaming (PC), occasional Blu-Ray 4k
5. Room lighting: dim to dark

Quasi-home theater room. Direct viewing, no funny angled seating.

Looking to stretch my budget to get the absolute most bang for the buck. I'd love to go to QLED or OLED but I'm really hung up on filling my space with a 75" which I don't see how I could do even QLED at that size but stay in my budget range.

Interested in hearing others opinions on current non-QLED/OLED screens or if it's just worth delaying my purchase until prices come down.
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1. Budget: $3000
2. Seating distance: 10-12 feet
3. Size/placement limitations: 75", 4k.
4. Uses and sources: Plex, gaming (PC), occasional Blu-Ray 4k
5. Room lighting: dim to dark

Quasi-home theater room. Direct viewing, no funny angled seating.

Looking to stretch my budget to get the absolute most bang for the buck. I'd love to go to QLED or OLED but I'm really hung up on filling my space with a 75" which I don't see how I could do even QLED at that size but stay in my budget range.

Interested in hearing others opinions on current non-QLED/OLED screens or if it's just worth delaying my purchase until prices come down.
With a $3,000 budget, your choices at 75" are constrained to mid-range VA panel sets such as the Sony XBR75X850E and Vizio M75-E1. Neither is perfect and both have limitations. The only Samsung in that price range is the UN75MU6300, which isn't as good while the UN75MU8000 is over your budget.

IMO the 120 Hz Sony 850E is better as a general purpose TV with excellent motion control and upscaling but no local dimming, while the Vizio M75-E1 has FALD and is better for HDR. Vizio did some odd things with the M class for 2017 dropping the refresh rate to 60 Hz and reducing the FALD zones by half, while making the display brighter.

There are better choices from $3,000 to $4,000 including the 2017 Sony XBR75X900E and Vizio P75-E1 but a budget is a budget.
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Vizio P65 vs Sony 900e and 930e

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I’m looking for a new TV to replace my old 50” Plasma. My budget is $2,000 and I will sit 9 ft away. I also have an off angle couch that will view the tv from 9ft on one end and around 4ft on the other. Short end won’t be sat in often. The room has dim to mid lighting. It won’t be completely black. It will be used for watching football, movies, Netflix, DirecTV, and some gaming.

I was considering a 55” B6 OLED until I read about the motion handling issues. Now I am looking at the Vizio P65, the 65” Sony 900e or the 55” 930e. They all seem to have pros and cons.

Based on some reviews I read that the 930e while a higher end tv doesn’t handle motion as well the others. I would like the tv to be as judder and blur free as possible. I would also only get the 55.”

The 900e seems to be great, but will not get the Dolby vision upgrade. Is that worth passing on the 900e? The Vizio on paper seems to be a great choice, but I have read of freezing and uniformity/banding issues.

Any insight or recommendations is greatly appreciated.
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I think it is far too early in the game to let Dolby Vision be a deciding factor. The 900E has superior brightness, better construction, slightly superior color gamut AND color volume compared to the P65.

That being said, the P65 is the better deal. Especially if you can find a 2016, with the tablet remote, for $1,399.

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I’m looking for a new TV to replace my old 50” Plasma. My budget is $2,000 and I will sit 9 ft away. I also have an off angle couch that will view the tv from 9ft on one end and around 4ft on the other. Short end won’t be sat in often. The room has dim to mid lighting. It won’t be completely black. It will be used for watching football, movies, Netflix, DirecTV, and some gaming.

I was considering a 55” B6 OLED until I read about the motion handling issues. Now I am looking at the Vizio P65, the 65” Sony 900e or the 55” 930e. They all seem to have pros and cons.

Based on some reviews I read that the 930e while a higher end tv doesn’t handle motion as well the others. I would like the tv to be as judder and blur free as possible. I would also only get the 55.”

The 900e seems to be great, but will not get the Dolby vision upgrade. Is that worth passing on the 900e? The Vizio on paper seems to be a great choice, but I have read of freezing and uniformity/banding issues.

Any insight or recommendations is greatly appreciated.


Whoever wrote those so called reviews are complete bs, 930E handles motion very well from what I have seen so far (unless those using wrong settings for motion)
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I'd just get the Vizio. It's an incredible TV, and ANY TV right now is a stopgap until maybe 3 years from now when I'd say everything will be ironed out. Dolby Vision is absolutely a plus if you ask me -- considering that many more 4K discs are supporting it as time goes on.
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From such wide angles, every lcd tv on the planet will suffer a drop in color and brightness, and worse of all they will suffer from a big increase in light bleed and clouding, so your best bet is OLED. And if you can't, then even though i don't normally suggest IPS panels, i'd say it would be best for you because it has better viewing angles than all these TVs which are VA panels
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1. Budget: $3-4000
2. Seating distance: 15ft.
3. Size: 70" or 75"
4. Uses: Sports (NHL), Cable TV, Movies. NO gaming.
5. Room Lightning: Well lit room during day. No direct sun on tv, but a lot of windows.
6. Viewing angle: Directly straight at screen. No side angle viewing.

Was thinking Sony XBR-75X900E, but appreciate everyone's input.
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1. Budget: $3-4000
2. Seating distance: 15ft.
3. Size: 70" or 75"
4. Uses: Sports (NHL), Cable TV, Movies. NO gaming.
5. Room Lightning: Well lit room during day. No direct sun on tv, but a lot of windows.
6. Viewing angle: Directly straight at screen. No side angle viewing.

Was thinking Sony XBR-75X900E, but appreciate everyone's input.
Yes the Sony XBR75X900E is a good choice along with the 2017 Vizio P75-E1, which can be ordered directly from Vizio since its not in the stores yet.
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Whoever wrote those so called reviews are complete bs, 930E handles motion very well from what I have seen so far (unless those using wrong settings for motion)
It was RTINGS review. They claimed Vizio and 900e are judder free at 24P, and at 24P via 60P/60I, but the 930e is not at 24P via 60P/60I.
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From such wide angles, every lcd tv on the planet will suffer a drop in color and brightness, and worse of all they will suffer from a big increase in light bleed and clouding, so your best bet is OLED. And if you can't, then even though i don't normally suggest IPS panels, i'd say it would be best for you because it has better viewing angles than all these TVs which are VA panels
I was originally considering the B6 due to the angles, but I read about all the motion and uniformity issues. It made me rethink. Are these issues just overblown? I would also only get 55" instead of a 65."
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