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is this a good TV? LG 43UJ6300
anyone have it, pro/con?

it's cheap $429 on Best Buy right now

I don't need fancy for this room, just want a decent smart TV for watching Netflix etc.
Pro - LG WebOS interface, IPS panel has somewhat wider viewing angle

Con - Low contrast IPS panel, inferior RGBW pixel structure, 60 Hz native refresh
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I don't see any "Thumbnails".

Some of the better VA panels have issues at less than 20 degrees off angle while some IPS panels are good to almost 45 degrees. Also, banding also afflicts some LCDs so there's no guarantee against it happening with one of them either. If all your seating is off to the sides, and you're a former plasma user, you should just get the LG OLED. You can always return it should the banding become an issue.
Not sure what happened to them. I have reattached here. Yeah I think the OLED is still the best choice and I'll buy from a store I'm able to return it to.
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Not sure what happened to them. I have reattached here. Yeah I think the OLED is still the best choice and I'll buy from a store I'm able to return it to.
That room seems fairly narrow so your viewing angles do not appear to be that extreme. You could probably go with the Sony 850E or 900E which have better than average viewing angles for VA panel sets. The Sony 900E is the better of the two with decent FALD and a bright screen for HDR. The Sony 65" 900E is $2,000 vs. $3,200 for the 65" LG C7.
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That room seems fairly narrow so your viewing angles do not appear to be that extreme. You could probably go with the Sony 850E or 900E which have better than average viewing angles for VA panel sets. The Sony 900E is the better of the two with decent FALD and a bright screen for HDR. The Sony 65" 900E is $2,000 vs. $3,200 for the 65" LG C7.
Yeah it is a pretty narrow space. Do you think a 65" is too large for the area? Would the 55" actually be better? The main seat is 9ft away but the end of the couch and the other chair are really close. My wife is worried it will be too big for when we have company over to watch sports and movies.

Also, how are the angles on the vizio P series? It does Dolby where the 900e doesn't.
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Yeah it is a pretty narrow space. Do you think a 65" is too large for the area? Would the 55" actually be better? The main seat is 9ft away but the end of the couch and the other chair are really close. My wife is worried it will be too big for when we have company over to watch sports and movies.

Also, how are the angles on the vizio P series? It does Dolby where the 900e doesn't.
The Vizio P has a somewhat narrower viewing angle. Also, be aware that the 55" model has an IPS panel so that one will have a very wide viewing angle, but lower contrast.

Regarding the 65" size, its up to you and your wife whether or not it is too large - a 65" 4K TV looks optimal at a little over 4 feet. Women (my wife and married daughter included) tend to think TVs are too large. They are looking at how the large panel dominates the room rather than what the viewing experience is.

Sitting close to the TV brings up the issue of upscaling. Sony has very good upscaling while Vizio's is mediocre. Sitting close to the Vizio P upscaling 720p cable TV might look a bit soft compared to a Sony or Samsung. You'll be fine from 9 feet though. But if you feel you need DV in a decent TV, the only economical choice is the Vizio P.
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Yeah it is a pretty narrow space. Do you think a 65" is too large for the area? Would the 55" actually be better? The main seat is 9ft away but the end of the couch and the other chair are really close. My wife is worried it will be too big for when we have company over to watch sports and movies.

Also, how are the angles on the vizio P series? It does Dolby where the 900e doesn't.
I'm having the same problem but trying to decide between a 75" 850E and a 65" 900E. Main viewing distance is 9 to 10 feet but other seating is anywhere from 5 to 8 feet. I think that 65 is perfect, but can't get that 75" out of my head. I'm actually thinking the 75" might be "too big" at the 5 to 8 foot seating positions for things like 720p cable.
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The Vizio P has a somewhat narrower viewing angle. Also, be aware that the 55" model has an IPS panel so that one will have a very wide viewing angle, but lower contrast.

Regarding the 65" size, its up to you and your wife whether or not it is too large - a 65" 4K TV looks optimal at a little over 4 feet. Women (my wife and married daughter included) tend to think TVs are too large. They are looking at how the large panel dominates the room rather than what the viewing experience is.

Sitting close to the TV brings up the issue of upscaling. Sony has very good upscaling while Vizio's is mediocre. Sitting close to the Vizio P upscaling 720p cable TV might look a bit soft compared to a Sony or Samsung. You'll be fine from 9 feet though. But if you feel you need DV in a decent TV, the only economical choice is the Vizio P.
Thanks for the input. If it wasn't for lack of DV I would pick up a 900e in heartbeat, but I want to be as future proof as possible.

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I'm having the same problem but trying to decide between a 75" 850E and a 65" 900E. Main viewing distance is 9 to 10 feet but other seating is anywhere from 5 to 8 feet. I think that 65 is perfect, but can't get that 75" out of my head. I'm actually thinking the 75" might be "too big" at the 5 to 8 foot seating positions for things like 720p cable.
It is a dilemma. My end seating is like 3-4 ft to the TV so 720P content won't look as good and may be overwhelming to view.
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Thanks for the input. If it wasn't for lack of DV I would pick up a 900e in heartbeat, but I want to be as future proof as possible.

It is a dilemma. My end seating is like 3-4 ft to the TV so 720P content won't look as good and may be overwhelming to view.
So if you need DV and want good upscaling for close up 720p, you've got the LG C7 OLED and the Sony 930E to consider with the Sony $400 cheaper in both 55" and 65" sizes. The Sony is way brighter and the LG has the wide angle viewing.
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Is the Samsung UN55MU6300 a decent set, in the sub $1000 range?


I know the Samsung UN55KS8000 sounds like a significantly better set, and I would get that if I stumbled upon a killer price, but it's a bit out of my price range right now, and I definitely can't afford an LG OLED55B6.

My 2004 Samsung HLP5063 is on the way out, and to be honest, since I might be somewhat "settling" for the UN55MU6300, because it's right here at Walmart, and in my price range for my budget, my hope is that it is significantly better than my 2004 Samsung HLP5063, that I paid $2900 for. It seems it would be, with as much as technology has advanced since then.


If so......it will be satisfactory while waiting for OLED to come down more in price. And....it's mainly for just tv watching, although now we'd get a Blu Ray player, as our DLP was 720p.
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So if you need DV and want good upscaling for close up 720p, you've got the LG C7 OLED and the Sony 930E to consider with the Sony $400 cheaper in both 55" and 65" sizes. The Sony is way brighter and the LG has the wide angle viewing.
Out of the Vizio P, LG OLED, and the Sony 900e and 930e, which is best at motion? Since I'm coming from plasma I never turned on any motion controls. Which will be closest to the motion of the Plasma? I'll watch blu rays and sports on this tv.
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Is the Samsung UN55MU6300 a decent set, in the sub $1000 range?
Are you set on a Samsung? The Samsung 55" edge-lit "mainstream" (sub $1000) TVs are pretty disappointing compared to what you can get from Vizio or TCL for the same price. I wouldn't buy an LCD today without some sort of local dimming, proper 24p handling, and a true wide color gamut; the Samsung lacks all of these things, which is pretty poor for ~$700, IMO.

If I had that budget, I'd be looking very hard at the TCL P607/605 and Vizio M (2017 version). If I could stretch it a bit more, I think it's a race between the Vizio P-series and Sony X900E.
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Are you set on a Samsung? The Samsung 55" edge-lit "mainstream" (sub $1000) TVs are pretty disappointing compared to what you can get from Vizio or TCL for the same price. I wouldn't buy an LCD today without some sort of local dimming, proper 24p handling, and a true wide color gamut; the Samsung lacks all of these things, which is pretty poor for ~$700, IMO.

If I had that budget, I'd be looking very hard at the TCL P607/605 and Vizio M (2017 version). If I could stretch it a bit more, I think it's a race between the Vizio P-series and Sony X900E.
Can't say I'm absolutely "set" on a Samsung. I guess because our current tv is an (outdated) Samsung, and I have a friend that has 3 of them......I just leaned towards them.

I guess Vizio seems like an "off brand" to me. I know it's not, but I guess because it's not one of the time tested companies. I don't know....maybe that's all in my head, lol. I'll check out the two you mentioned.

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@soulweeper No, you're correct that it's going to be an improvement over your 2004 DLP, almost certainly. Way better brightness, contrast ratio, and color accuracy (SDR only) than a 13 year old RP-DLP TV could manage. My statements are based on the features/specs of other 2017 TVs around the same price point.
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@soulweeper No, you're correct that it's going to be an improvement over your 2004 DLP, almost certainly. Way better brightness, contrast ratio, and color accuracy (SDR only) than a 13 year old RP-DLP TV could manage. My statements are based on the features/specs of other 2017 TVs around the same price point.
And I appreciate the reply, and your statements. At the time, that DLP was a nice set. It was $2900 at the time, and it was a decent price, lol. I guess that's where my skepticism comes in, wondering if a $800, give or take set, will be significantly better. But that was a long time ago, haha.
The TCL P605 seems to get good reviews.
Is this the M Series Vizio you were referring to? https://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M55-E0-...rds=Vizio+M+55

I need to check the P series and the Sony as well.
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Can't find any "P" series vizio's in town,but sams had an E series next to a samsung and the samsung was far brighter.Are the "P" series just as dark??
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Can't find any "P" series vizio's in town,but sams had an E series next to a samsung and the samsung was far brighter.Are the "P" series just as dark??
I'm kind of curious about that myself. For me, whatever I get is going to be in a bright room, for the most part. It can be made darker, obviously, but I don't always want to close the blinds.

If I stretch my budget a little, right now I'd be leaning towards the P series myself, as it's about $400 less that the Sony X900E that WXRpilot mentioned, and sounds like a good set. Viewing angles seem to be good, and does well in dark rooms, but the brightness would be something to think about too.
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Pro - LG WebOS interface, IPS panel has somewhat wider viewing angle

Con - Low contrast IPS panel, inferior RGBW pixel structure, 60 Hz native refresh
ok thanks.
do you think it's worth the extra $50 to get the Samsung 43MU630D(from Costco, aka 43MU6300)?
what about the TCL 43S405? even cheaper at $349 (Target)

viewing angle will be important, this will be in the corner of a small room.
room will be moderately bright during day, but can be darker at night for movie viewing.

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@sixty tooneradio, @soulweeper The Vizio E-series and Samsung MU6300 are going to have similar brightness levels; they both peak at or just below 300 nits.

Vizio M series is a jump from there, peaking around 300-400 nits, and the Vizio P and Sony X900E peak around 500-600 nits, much brighter than the E series or Samsung 6300.

If you don't know, RTings.com has reviewed all the sets you're looking at, including these (and many more) measurements.
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@sixty tooneradio, @soulweeper The Vizio E-series and Samsung MU6300 are going to have similar brightness levels; they both peak at or just below 300 nits.

Vizio M series is a jump from there, peaking around 300-400 nits, and the Vizio P and Sony X900E peak around 500-600 nits, much brighter than the E series or Samsung 6300.

If you don't know, RTings.com has reviewed all the sets you're looking at, including these (and many more) measurements.
Thanks man....appreciate that. I just stumbled upon RTings last week, as I'm now shopping for a tv, and they do a thorough job, it seems. Between the Samsung MU6300, The TCL P607, and the Vizio P series, the Vizio has a descent lead, and I might be able to stretch my budget for that one. The Sony is just out of my range at the moment, but also sounds good, like you said.
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I'm down to two choices.... 2017 Vizio M50 vs TCL P series 55 inch.

Performance seems pretty equal (maybe slight nod to the TCL), the prices are equal and I'm interested in trying TCL.

BUT

I'll mainly be watching hockey on this Tv and I've read that the screen uniformity is a sore spot for the TCL P series. Seeing dirty screen effect on the ice surface is going to be a deal breaker I think.

Should I just go with the Vizio?

(coming from an old Panasonic plasma btw)
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Please help my 55" plasma went out and im buying a new tv tomorrow ,but im stuck between models.
i have zero knowledge about 4k and hdr ,but i hate motion blur.

viewing dist = 7ft
lighting = dark room
usage = gaming,tv,movies and monitor

I dont care about a tv tuner or smart features.

cant decide between these ....what would you buy ? (all of these are in my price range but dont want to spend more)

samsung un55ks8000
vizio P55-e1
vizio M65-E0
sony x900e

i kind of want the 65" vizio but im worried about it only being 60hz (gaming blur)? and worried about PQ loss vs size gain

I have read all the rtings.com reviews and while informative each one seems to have its own pro's and con's and confuses me more.

Please help me decide by telling me what you would buy based on above info.

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Would anyone trust this? Refurbished Samsung KS8000 for 929, from groupon.
https://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-sam...QaAmytEALw_wcB

The word refurbished scares me, and I've never used groupon, so don't know where it comes from or??
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I thought I had found the Samsung UN55KS8000 at Best Buy for $1199, on sale, and that would be a wrap, but closer look showed it was the MU8000, which doesn't sound like a "bad" tv, but I'd have to drive an hour each way, pay $1199, plus tax, which puts it at $1300, and it's rated a little lower than the Vizio P55-C1, and I can get that from B&H for $999, plus 175 shipping, and never leave the house. The KS8000 is rated a little better than the Vizio, but can't find if for under $1500....yet. But my color wheel is getting noisier every day. Soon I won't have a tv.

There is a marketplace seller selling the Vizio for $932, free shipping, but that makes me nervous, as far as the warranty. Not sure what to do now.

A great deal on the KS8000 would end this, but if I can find the Vizio for about a grand, shipped, that might be the way I'll go. Onlyu thing that concerns me about the Vizio, is this part of the review on RTINGS:

Above average for watching TV shows in a bright room. Picture quality is great when viewed from in front. Not the best TV at dealing with reflections on the screen, and doesn't get as bright as some others to combat glare. Upscaling of low quality content is average.

And it gets a 7.2 for tv shows, which is my primary use. It would be in a pretty bright room, with reflection issues @WRXpilot am I reading way too much into this, especially given the fact that I'm coming from a 2004 DLP? To be fair....we have said that when it goes, we'd easily get something that was better, but at the same time, if the color wheel wasn't making noise, we wouldn't be shopping for a tv right now.

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What do you think of the Vizio P55-E1? The reason I ask is, the P55-C1 does sound like a good tv for the money, like you said, and the Dell deal is pretty good, even with the sales tax. B&H is the same price, no tax, but 175 to ship it. But anyway, can't seem to find somewhere I can walk in and buy that set, and my color wheel is getting worse. Just noticed the P55-E1 is fairly easy to find, and RTINGS doesn't have a review, but it appears that it's just the 2017 version of the P55-C1.

Thoughts?
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What do you think of the Vizio P55-E1? The reason I ask is, the P55-C1 does sound like a good tv for the money, like you said, and the Dell deal is pretty good, even with the sales tax. B&H is the same price, no tax, but 175 to ship it. But anyway, can't seem to find somewhere I can walk in and buy that set, and my color wheel is getting worse. Just noticed the P55-E1 is fairly easy to find, and RTINGS doesn't have a review, but it appears that it's just the 2017 version of the P55-C1.

Thoughts?
2016 and 2017 P series Vizios are the same, with different remotes.

I think they're great.
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2016 and 2017 P series Vizios are the same, with different remotes.

I think they're great.
Thanks!

Yeah, the P55 is the one I want, my only concern(maybe), is the IPS panel on the 55.
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Would anyone trust this? Refurbished Samsung KS8000 for 929, from groupon.
https://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-sam...QaAmytEALw_wcB

The word refurbished scares me, and I've never used groupon, so don't know where it comes from or??
I bought a KS9000 from them and it arrived all messed up. Frame is bent and screen is warped. It's a pain to return and involved a lot of arguing and photos. I'd avoid.

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I bought a KS9000 from them and it arrived all messed up. Frame is bent and screen is warped. It's a pain to return and involved a lot of arguing and photos. I'd avoid.

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Thank you. Sorry to hear you had a problem. I'm going to skip it.
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I think they're great.
i thought that the 2016 P series was 120hz and the 2017 P series are 240hz
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i thought that the 2016 P series was 120hz and the 2017 P series are 240hz
Both 120 Hz.

Since I disable all the 'fake' image processing, only show the direct image, all these 'high' refresh rate numbers are meaningless. 60 Hz is all that is needed to me.
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