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I need some quick advice to choose a tv. It's the last piece for my home theater setup. This is my first large format tv I've purchased since 2006 which was a 720p Panasonic plasma. Loved the blacks. After much reviewing online I had narrowed it down to a Vizio P65-C1 from Costco ($2400 CDN) or a Sony 900E ($2900 CDN). I was all set to get the 900E but local Best Buy is offering $1000 off for a 65" Sony x930e ($3500 CDN).

What do I get? The 930E is more than what I budgeted but I can afford it IF it's worth it. How does it compare to the P65? My main driver for the Sony was the better upscaling performance and the higher peak nit values but im wondering if it'll be too bright? Blacks are decent but how bad will the blooming be?

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20% PS4. 20% TV viewing across cable box and 60% movies. I mostly watch downloaded 1080p content with the odd exection for a higher quality copy. Living in a temporary accommodations so my current seating distance is 7.5-8.5 feet. Soon to be moved house will have up to 12 ft away. I don't have a dedicated theater room so this is sitting in my main living room. Windows. Curtains to close at night so light control isn't great.

Thoughts:
P65 - sounds like an amazing TV but I can't find one in a store to actually see it first hand myself. DV & HDR10 a plus. Will upscaling be good enough?blacks are amazing with the FALD. Will it be bright enough for every day living room use?

930E - superior upscaling engine. More faith in the brand. Seen it in person and the blaxk detail looked good (at Best Buy). DV & HD10. Concerned by edge lit and blooming effects. Judder?

900E - honest I looked away when I saw the sale price on the 930E.


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In your current home seating distance of 7.5 to 8.5 feet you will notice the Vizio P's subpar upscaling with 720p content only but in your new house at 12 feet away you won't. The Vizio P's upscaling of 1080p is not a problem. As far as PQ goes, the 2017 Vizio P is identical to the 2016, the main difference is the replacement of the tablet with a standard remote with the apps hosted on the TV itself. The 930E is brighter, with better upscaling, and even deeper blacks. While the Vizo P has better dimming with FALD, the edge dimming used in the 930E works pretty well. Rtings found both have judder watching 24p movies at 60i/60p but thought both could be fixed with firmware updates. The Sony 900E has no judder issues.
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In your current home seating distance of 7.5 to 8.5 feet you will notice the Vizio P's subpar upscaling with 720p content only but in your new house at 12 feet away you won't. The Vizio P's upscaling of 1080p is not a problem. As far as PQ goes, the 2017 Vizio P is identical to the 2016, the main difference is the replacement of the tablet with a standard remote with the apps hosted on the TV itself. The 930E is brighter, with better upscaling, and even deeper blacks. While the Vizo P has better dimming with FALD, the edge dimming used in the 930E works pretty well. Rtings found both have judder watching 24p movies at 60i/60p but thought both could be fixed with firmware updates. The Sony 900E has no judder issues.
You didn't make my decision any easier lol. I had been all but set to get the 900E until BB lowered the price a grand on that 930E although most of the site reviews praise the 900E saying the 930E isn't worth the huge price increase, but as I said, that price increase is all but gone. Thoughts between the 2?! How to choose lol
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Any Vizio XLED pro owners on here. Looking for their opinion on the TV. The reviews look good on paper on Rtings. What is unfortunate is that I could only find the M series in BB. I wish the video demo at BB on the M series tv included movie clips or other outdoor shots and not still pics. How is the PQ of this tv? What are the pros and cons that you have seen on the TV. I will use the TV mostly for movies, 5 percent gaming and 5 percent sports. The room is well lit. I currently have a 60" Samsung plasma. Thank you.
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sony 75xbr900e or xbr940e

I have posted several questions in both the 940 and the 900 owner threads, and have gotten some great responses, but to this point I am still undecided.

Currently I have a Samsung 65 HU8550, with the the evolution kit. Great picture. Seating about 11-12 feet, straight on. Wanting to move the Samsung to another room and hang it, and want a 75" in my "TV Room". Do not game. Watch sports, (football, baseball, basketball, hockey), blu ray, and stream with apple tv, as well as 4k blu ray disc player. Use OTA antenna.
BD player, and reciever, both HDR capable. Reciever will get a software uprade to Dolby Vision.

I have looked at both sets at Best Buy, and both look really good. I like the brightness of the 940. I used a thumb drive with some 4k pictures I took, and while at the store, viewed on both the 940 and 900. Both looked great, but the 940 really popped. BTW, I did the same test on a LGc7 OLED, and man did that look great, but just dont think I want a 65" set, but it sure looked good.

The question/issue I am hung up on is the disconnect between the rtings review of the 940e, specifically the motion. They give it a really poor score. The 900 gets a really good score with motion. Owners of both sets seem to br very happy, and the 940e owners indicate that motion isnt a poblem. Why the disconnect with rtings? I tend to believe the users experiences, vs rtings, but nevertheless, rtings, seems to be the goto place to validate. I typically try to hold on to a set at least 5 years, and am trying to smart with the purchase, like 940 gets a software uprgade to Dolby Vision, the 900 doesnt. I dont know if that will be a big deal or not, but who knows?

So, I struggle with paralyses by analysis , and wanted to post here to get another perspective to give me another view point.

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I have posted several questions in both the 940 and the 900 owner threads, and have gotten some great responses, but to this point I am still undecided.

Currently I have a Samsung 65 HU8550, with the the evolution kit. Great picture. Seating about 11-12 feet, straight on. Wanting to move the Samsung to another room and hang it, and want a 75" in my "TV Room". Do not game. Watch sports, (football, baseball, basketball, hockey), blu ray, and stream with apple tv, as well as 4k blu ray disc player. Use OTA antenna.
BD player, and reciever, both HDR capable. Reciever will get a software uprade to Dolby Vision.

I have looked at both sets at Best Buy, and both look really good. I like the brightness of the 940. I used a thumb drive with some 4k pictures I took, and while at the store, viewed on both the 940 and 900. Both looked great, but the 940 really popped. BTW, I did the same test on a LGc7 OLED, and man did that look great, but just dont think I want a 65" set, but it sure looked good.

The question/issue I am hung up on is the disconnect between the rtings review of the 940e, specifically the motion. They give it a really poor score. The 900 gets a really good score with motion. Owners of both sets seem to br very happy, and the 940e owners indicate that motion isnt a poblem. Why the disconnect with rtings? I tend to believe the users experiences, vs rtings, but nevertheless, rtings, seems to be the goto place to validate. I typically try to hold on to a set at least 5 years, and am trying to smart with the purchase, like 940 gets a software uprgade to Dolby Vision, the 900 doesnt. I dont know if that will be a big deal or not, but who knows?

So, I struggle with paralyses by analysis , and wanted to post here to get another perspective to give me another view point.

Thanks
The Rtings review measured a exceptionally long response time (100% Response Time = 37.4 ms) for the 940E, so motion blur may be seen depending on the content. For movies they said it wasn't an issue, but found that it causes a long (but faint) trail following moving objects in sports viewing and 60 fps games. They also noticed some judder watching 24p movies from 60i/60p sources (Blu rays were OK), but many viewers won't notice that. For comparison, Rtings measured the 100% Response Time for the 900E at only 10.7 ms and noted no judder from any 24p source. Since you have highlighted sports viewing, I'd suggest think twice about the 940E as I would expect those faint trails to be especially visible when watching a hockey puck traveling across the white ice. Maybe you could download some 4K hockey video and give that a try at the store.
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The Rtings review measured a exceptionally long response time (100% Response Time = 37.4 ms) for the 940E, so motion blur may be seen depending on the content. For movies they said it wasn't an issue, but found that it causes a long (but faint) trail following moving objects in sports viewing and 60 fps games. They also noticed some judder watching 24p movies from 60i/60p sources (Blu rays were OK), but many viewers won't notice that. For comparison, Rtings measured the 100% Response Time for the 900E at only 10.7 ms and noted no judder from any 24p source. Since you have highlighted sports viewing, I'd suggest think twice about the 940E as I would expect those faint trails to be especially visible when watching a hockey puck traveling across the white ice. Maybe you could download some 4K hockey video and give that a try at the store.
I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I think for myself, anyway, that the potential motion issue with the 940 overrides the the lack of Dolby Vision on the 900. HDR with the 900 I am sure will be "good enough". (especially since I am not seeing HDR now) As much as I would like to have the 940, I believe Ill just have to pass.

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I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I think for myself, anyway, that the potential motion issue with the 940 overrides the the lack of Dolby Vision on the 900. HDR with the 900 I am sure will be "good enough". (especially since I am not seeing HDR now) As much as I would like to have the 940, I believe Ill just have to pass.

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I agree with your decision but would wait for the 900E to go on sale and then purchase it. I think the 900E is an excellent all around TV at a great price.
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ZT60 to 75"LCD

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While a new member, I have been lurking for awhile to inform a decision to replace our 2013 Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 plasma, which is starting to have some performance issues and is a bit small for the viewing wall in our new home. So we are in the market for a new 75” set.

Our viewing is limited to OTA HD antenna for local channels and, when available, HDR & UHD (“4K”) streaming for everything else (Apple TV & Roku applications for HBO, ESPN, Netflix, etc.). We are expecting shortly a new generation of Apple TV to bring HDR10 and Dolby Vision along with 4K, so our next set must be “future proof” to that extent

We never watch BlueRay discs or other DVD’s or desire a “Home Theater" experience. We do no gaming. We watch some college football and golf but no other sports. The room has the normal lighting found in a family room and the viewing angle is never more than 15 degrees or so off center from a distance of about 10 feet.

The latest reviews and “shoot out” results would point to an OLED display but I don’t want to spend over $10K for this upgrade and the 75”/77” offerings of Sony and LG are well above that amount. That leaves the LCD offerings to consider. Towards that end, I have four questions to pose in hopes of a response by those of you with relatable experience.

First, my research to date has led me to focus on the two Sony choices - namely, the Z9 and the 940E. The recent tests of these models by Rting and HD Test would suggest that the benefits, if any, that might be gained FOR OUR VIEWING with the Z9 are not justified by its substantial cost differential over the 940E. And since these reviews were published, the differential has increased by way of the price reduction of the 940E down to $4500. We could spend the difference on a substantial audio upgrade to our system. Does this seem a clear conclusion in comparing the picture quality of the two sets?

Second, the only concerning criticism with the 940E is its presentation of motion. Should that be a worry for viewing college football?

Third, is there another brand or model we should be considering besides these two Sony products?

Fourth, what should be our realistic expectations as to picture quality in transitioning from the ZT60 to these more modern LCD displays?

My thanks in advance for your consideration and comments. Cheers
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I have a chance to get a Sony 900e for $1079. It's only a 49 inch though. I'd prefer the 900e over anything else but am torn about the size. Ideally I'd wait until they go on sale but I move at the end of the month.

Do I get the 49inch Sony 900e or go with the 2017 Vizio 55 P?

I'm trying to figure out whether I'd miss those extra inches.
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I have a chance to get a Sony 900e for $1079. It's only a 49 inch though. I'd prefer the 900e over anything else but am torn about the size. Ideally I'd wait until they go on sale but I move at the end of the month.

Do I get the 49inch Sony 900e or go with the 2017 Vizio 55 P?

I'm trying to figure out whether I'd miss those extra inches.
Since the Vizio P 55" has an IPS panel I think you really need to take a look at it to see how much the FALD compensates for the low contrast of the IPS panel. The Sony 900E will definitely be better as far as black levels and brightness goes but it is smaller.
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Since the Vizio P 55" has an IPS panel I think you really need to take a look at it to see how much the FALD compensates for the low contrast of the IPS panel. The Sony 900E will definitely be better as far as black levels and brightness goes but it is smaller.

Yeah I need to head out to Best Buy hopefully this weekend if my back can handle it. I've been reading through various threads and stuff but I think it's time to go see them in person. I'm leaning towards the Sony right now. If I can come up with a way to get the 55 900e that'd be perfect.

The room the tv is going in is pretty bright during the day. It's fairly small. More the size of a large bedroom. I'll be watching tv in both a bright room and in the dark.

I appreciate the time you take to help all of us out.
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Panasonic 50EX750 vs Sony 49X900 / KD-49X9000E

I'm having a hard time deciding between these 2 sets. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh and correct me if I'm wrong but my local (Hong Kong) model is called KD-49x9000E which I think is the same as the 49X900 that everyone posts about here.

The Ex750 has adjustable stand which I won't use b/c I'm wall mounting and the 3D sounds like a huge gimmick to me (I never choose 3D movies in theatres if I have a choice).

Price is very similar where I am. So can someone tell me which is a better in terms of picture quality, aesthetics, and smart OS?

BTW I've already bought a soundbar (Polk Magnifi One) so the built-in sound isn't a huge consideration either.
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Best 65" under 2K?

What is the best 65" TV in your opinion to buy with DV/HDR/HLD between 1.5K - 2K. I have seen the Sony 900E which looks very nice. I have also seen the Vizio M series in BB but no P series any where in stores to see where I live. I currently have a 60" Samsung Plasma looking to go the 4K route. Your thoughts? Are there other TV's. Will do 80% movies eventually 4K gaming. Thank you.

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What is the best 65" TV in your opinion to buy with DV/HDR/HLD between 1.5K - 2K. I have seen the Sony 900E which looks very nice. I have also seen the Vizio M series in BB but no P series any where in stores to see where I live. I currently have a 60" Samsung Plasma looking to go the 4K route. Your thoughts? Are there other TV's. Will do 80% movies eventually 4K gaming. Thank you.
The Sony 900E doesn't do DV, only the higher end LCD models like the Sony 930E, 940E and Z9D. The Vizio P, which is much better than the Vizio M, is the one to look at for all you want, including DV, for under $2K. You can buy the Vizio P-65-E1 online now for under $1,550.
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The Sony 900E doesn't do DV, only the higher end LCD models like the Sony 930E, 940E and Z9D. The Vizio P, which is much better than the Vizio M, is the one to look at for all you want, including DV, for under $2K. You can buy the Vizio P-65-E1 online now for under $1,550.
Thank you for the response. I did see on Rtings that the Vizio P and the Sony are very close in ratings. Is the Vizio P series really that good? I have never owned a LED tv before as I have had the Vizio Plasma and now the Samsung Plasma. Just curious how the Vizio P will measure up.
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I'm sure the Vizio P series is very good; I have 2016 M65 and like it a lot. But Sony is Sony, bit better build quality & most reviewers universally think a better picture which is most important aspect; good luck with ur choice


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Thank you for the response. I did see on Rtings that the Vizio P and the Sony are very close in ratings. Is the Vizio P series really that good? I have never owned a LED tv before as I have had the Vizio Plasma and now the Samsung Plasma. Just curious how the Vizio P will measure up.


If you want performance closer to your plasma, then you'll want a FALD set. The only thing other than FALD is OLED that is "plasma like". The P series isn't without fault, but it is one of the best bang for your bucks you can find. If you want DV and HDR10 support your options are limited. Some of the Sonys will get an update, but I'm not sure it's been released yet. Vizio and LG are the next two biggest brands to have it already built in (no waiting for update).
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Hi All

While a new member, I have been lurking for awhile to inform a decision to replace our 2013 Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 plasma, which is starting to have some performance issues and is a bit small for the viewing wall in our new home. So we are in the market for a new 75” set.

Our viewing is limited to OTA HD antenna for local channels and, when available, HDR & UHD (“4K”) streaming for everything else (Apple TV & Roku applications for HBO, ESPN, Netflix, etc.). We are expecting shortly a new generation of Apple TV to bring HDR10 and Dolby Vision along with 4K, so our next set must be “future proof” to that extent

We never watch BlueRay discs or other DVD’s or desire a “Home Theater" experience. We do no gaming. We watch some college football and golf but no other sports. The room has the normal lighting found in a family room and the viewing angle is never more than 15 degrees or so off center from a distance of about 10 feet.

The latest reviews and “shoot out” results would point to an OLED display but I don’t want to spend over $10K for this upgrade and the 75”/77” offerings of Sony and LG are well above that amount. That leaves the LCD offerings to consider. Towards that end, I have four questions to pose in hopes of a response by those of you with relatable experience.

First, my research to date has led me to focus on the two Sony choices - namely, the Z9 and the 940E. The recent tests of these models by Rting and HD Test would suggest that the benefits, if any, that might be gained FOR OUR VIEWING with the Z9 are not justified by its substantial cost differential over the 940E. And since these reviews were published, the differential has increased by way of the price reduction of the 940E down to $4500. We could spend the difference on a substantial audio upgrade to our system. Does this seem a clear conclusion in comparing the picture quality of the two sets?

Second, the only concerning criticism with the 940E is its presentation of motion. Should that be a worry for viewing college football?

Third, is there another brand or model we should be considering besides these two Sony products?

Fourth, what should be our realistic expectations as to picture quality in transitioning from the ZT60 to these more modern LCD displays?

My thanks in advance for your consideration and comments. Cheers
I wouldn't rely on just rtings for a review and the shootouts are scored at a specific TV size against a reference TV, not typical home conditions which vary so much. I would read mutiple reviews and go see the sets in mutiple stores in multiple lighting conditions. I prefer Consumer Reports whose independent analysis of self bought items tends to be more in line with a typical consumers including recommended buys and they didn't rank the Z9 that high or recommend it despite the comments in these forums. Personally when I saw the Z9 in multiple stores I thought it was impressive with upscaling ....so was the 900 series, but to me Z9 was better. I've decided to wait to 2018 unless Black Friday shows me an extremely appealing purchase.
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I'm unable to see the Vizio P as they didn't have it on display. I was looking at Consumer Reports. They rated the Samsung MU8000 and the Sony 850D over the 900e? In fact in the 55 inch category the Sony 900e is ranked below all the Samsung tv's?

I'm not sure why the Samsung is rated above Sony pretty much across the board. They also rated the LG SJ8500 above the 900e. Does Consumer Reports get advertising from Samsung?

I'm rethinking the 900e now. I can get a 900e 49 inch for $900 but I'm not sure about it based on what I just read. Goes to show what too much research can do.
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I'm unable to see the Vizio P as they didn't have it on display. I was looking at Consumer Reports. They rated the Samsung MU8000 and the Sony 850D over the 900e? In fact in the 55 inch category the Sony 900e is ranked below all the Samsung tv's?

I'm not sure why the Samsung is rated above Sony pretty much across the board. They also rated the LG SJ8500 above the 900e. Does Consumer Reports get advertising from Samsung?

I'm rethinking the 900e now. I can get a 900e 49 inch for $900 but I'm not sure about it based on what I just read. Goes to show what too much research can do.
Didn't do any research with your eyes in Best Buy? Pick the one you like and you'll still like it when you get home.

Consumer reports tests very differently from anyone else. The LG SJ8500 is an IPS panel set you should only get if you need wide viewing angles. The Samsung MU8000 isn't a bad TV, just not as good as the Sony 900E. Mostly because the Quantum Dot panel is gone from the 800 series and it still has the poor edge-lit dimming.
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While a new member, I have been lurking for awhile to inform a decision to replace our 2013 Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 plasma, which is starting to have some performance issues and is a bit small for the viewing wall in our new home. So we are in the market for a new 75” set.

Our viewing is limited to OTA HD antenna for local channels and, when available, HDR & UHD (“4K”) streaming for everything else (Apple TV & Roku applications for HBO, ESPN, Netflix, etc.). We are expecting shortly a new generation of Apple TV to bring HDR10 and Dolby Vision along with 4K, so our next set must be “future proof” to that extent

We never watch BlueRay discs or other DVD’s or desire a “Home Theater" experience. We do no gaming. We watch some college football and golf but no other sports. The room has the normal lighting found in a family room and the viewing angle is never more than 15 degrees or so off center from a distance of about 10 feet.

The latest reviews and “shoot out” results would point to an OLED display but I don’t want to spend over $10K for this upgrade and the 75”/77” offerings of Sony and LG are well above that amount. That leaves the LCD offerings to consider. Towards that end, I have four questions to pose in hopes of a response by those of you with relatable experience.

First, my research to date has led me to focus on the two Sony choices - namely, the Z9 and the 940E. The recent tests of these models by Rting and HD Test would suggest that the benefits, if any, that might be gained FOR OUR VIEWING with the Z9 are not justified by its substantial cost differential over the 940E. And since these reviews were published, the differential has increased by way of the price reduction of the 940E down to $4500. We could spend the difference on a substantial audio upgrade to our system. Does this seem a clear conclusion in comparing the picture quality of the two sets?

Second, the only concerning criticism with the 940E is its presentation of motion. Should that be a worry for viewing college football?

Third, is there another brand or model we should be considering besides these two Sony products?

Fourth, what should be our realistic expectations as to picture quality in transitioning from the ZT60 to these more modern LCD displays?

My thanks in advance for your consideration and comments. Cheers
The 940E has motion issues due to a long response time, which primarily affects sports viewing and gaming. It is outstanding for watching other content. I would think the long faint trails noticed by Rtings would be most likely to be visible watching hockey. Typically the background in football isn't monochrome like the ice in hockey, but is rows of fans in the stadium so it would be harder to notice.

You mention your new viewing wall. Since you come from a plasma you are used to unlimited viewing angles to either side, not the 20 degree VA panel limitation. Do you sit directly in front of the TV location on your new viewing wall? If not, LG makes lots of IPS panel TVs that support DV with viewing angles from 30 to 40 degrees.
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Best 75" 4k 3D TV?

I think I have narrowed my choices down to LG 75UH8500 or Samsung 75JU7100. Thoughts on these two. Any others you would suggest?
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I have been told that our current TV a Sony KD-34XS955 (CRT) has to go. We are to have a new wall mounted flat screen (55 or 65 if the width is less than 59").

This is to be a living room TV used for casual viewing, TV shows, baseball games, etc. There are almost always a few lights on hear and there. Inputs will be a Comcast cable box and Netflix hooked up directly to the TV. We have a dedicated theater for movie viewing and important sports events. The audio currently consists of a 2.1 system run from the TV directly to the amplifier and will likely remain the same. Viewing distance range from 10 to 14 feet.

I had been wanting for all of the tech to shake out and I should have bought a Plasma at the end of their run but I didn't. I held off on flat screens because I am very sensitive to motion blur. The phenomena whereby a still LCD image looks perfect and even the slightest movement causes blurring. This is not the 24P motion issue. We watch all of our movies at 24P (DLP) and that does not bother me. Similarly 720P sports on DLP or CRT I am fine with. I can't watch 1080i sports on DLP but it is somewhat Ok on CRT.

I've looked at the current OLED offerings and I am concerned about burn in and motion blur. Perhaps, one of the A1Es would work but I can't really see that flying price wise. The budget is around $1500 hopefully less.

I guess that leaves a LCD TV. I'm leaning towards the Sony 900e, 930e, and 850d lines due to their somewhat better processing power. I liked the P65 panels but it appears that they do not do any processing. Netflix in the theater looks horrible because I can't run it through madvr and the projector is an older 2007 model that lacks modern processing.

Given that there is very little HDR10 content and the long seating distances I'd be fine with a 1080P panel if there are any left that have good processing and local dimming. My guess is that shipped has also already sailed. Also, for the record, I have a bias against Samsung products, given that I've had two large computer monitors fail due to power supply issues involving under/cost engineering of minor components.

Any suggestions, hints, other suggestions, anything is helpful. I'm just about to analysis paralysis as it is...
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I have been told that our current TV a Sony KD-34XS955 (CRT) has to go. We are to have a new wall mounted flat screen (55 or 65 if the width is less than 59").

This is to be a living room TV used for casual viewing, TV shows, baseball games, etc. There are almost always a few lights on hear and there. Inputs will be a Comcast cable box and Netflix hooked up directly to the TV. We have a dedicated theater for movie viewing and important sports events. The audio currently consists of a 2.1 system run from the TV directly to the amplifier and will likely remain the same. Viewing distance range from 10 to 14 feet.

I had been wanting for all of the tech to shake out and I should have bought a Plasma at the end of their run but I didn't. I held off on flat screens because I am very sensitive to motion blur. The phenomena whereby a still LCD image looks perfect and even the slightest movement causes blurring. This is not the 24P motion issue. We watch all of our movies at 24P (DLP) and that does not bother me. Similarly 720P sports on DLP or CRT I am fine with. I can't watch 1080i sports on DLP but it is somewhat Ok on CRT.

I've looked at the current OLED offerings and I am concerned about burn in and motion blur. Perhaps, one of the A1Es would work but I can't really see that flying price wise. The budget is around $1500 hopefully less.

I guess that leaves a LCD TV. I'm leaning towards the Sony 900e, 930e, and 850d lines due to their somewhat better processing power. I liked the P65 panels but it appears that they do not do any processing. Netflix in the theater looks horrible because I can't run it through madvr and the projector is an older 2007 model that lacks modern processing.

Given that there is very little HDR10 content and the long seating distances I'd be fine with a 1080P panel if there are any left that have good processing and local dimming. My guess is that shipped has also already sailed. Also, for the record, I have a bias against Samsung products, given that I've had two large computer monitors fail due to power supply issues involving under/cost engineering of minor components.

Any suggestions, hints, other suggestions, anything is helpful. I'm just about to analysis paralysis as it is...
Get a 65" they tend to be about 57" wide which is just right for your space. I don't know what you mean by the Vizio P lacking processing because all LCDs process video for display. The only knock against it is the upscaling of cable TV to 4K isn't as good as Sony and Samsung. So I'd suggest you look at the 65" Vizio P and Sony 900E which are both 120 Hz VA panels sets with good motion control and FALD for deep blacks and good HDR.

One more thing since you're coming from a plasma, be aware that VA panel sets have very limited viewing angles, typically degrading at more than 20 off angle to either side. If you have off-angle seating, an IPS has wider viewing angles but significantly lower contrast ratios. LG makes all IPS panel LCDs but don't get a cheap one with the RGBW panel.

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One more thing since you're coming from a plasma, be aware that VA panel sets have very limited viewing angles, typically degrading at more than 20 off angle to either side. If you have off-angle seating, an IPS has wider viewing angles but significantly lower contrast ratios. LG makes all IPS panel LCDs but don't get a cheap one with the RGBW panel.
Actually, I'm coming from a 16:9 CRT. Viewing angles will not be an issue in this room. So 900E vs P65. I guess it's time to go look myself. Thanks
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The 940E has motion issues due to a long response time, which primarily affects sports viewing and gaming. It is outstanding for watching other content. I would think the long faint trails noticed by Rtings would be most likely to be visible watching hockey. Typically the background in football isn't monochrome like the ice in hockey, but is rows of fans in the stadium so it would be harder to notice.

You mention your new viewing wall. Since you come from a plasma you are used to unlimited viewing angles to either side, not the 20 degree VA panel limitation. Do you sit directly in front of the TV location on your new viewing wall? If not, LG makes lots of IPS panel TVs that support DV with viewing angles from 30 to 40 degrees.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. The viewing angle should not be a problem. I best visit the shop to see football live before making the final choice. Cheers
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