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This has to be the best deal on a tv going right now. I picked up the 40 inch at sams under 7 bills, and its a remarkable tv. I was just gaming on this tv, vivid mode, turned motion flow off, and there is absolutely no detectable lag while playing nhl10, uncharted 2, and some various demos. I have decided that there is no need to consider any other tv at this point, and suprisingly am satisfied. My other gaming tv is my 50 inch panny g10, and they feel very similiar to game on. Just wanted to throw this out there in case someone is looking for a great deal. I also looked at the Sony ex500, and the picture was similiar, although it looks like the h10 has better blacks due to the glossy screen. Also considered the lg 550 series, and panny d2 series.

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This has to be the best deal on a tv going right now. I picked up the 40 inch at sams under 7 bills, and its a remarkable tv. I was just gaming on this tv, vivid mode, turned motion flow off, and there is absolutely no detectable lag while playing nhl10, uncharted 2, and some various demos. I have decided that there is no need to consider any other tv at this point, and suprisingly am satisfied. My other gaming tv is my 50 inch panny g10, and they feel very similiar to game on. Just wanted to throw this out there in case someone is looking for a great deal. I also looked at the Sony ex500, and the picture was similiar, although it looks like the h10 has better blacks due to the glossy screen. Also considered the lg 550 series, and panny d2 series.

Looks like Sam's in NH no longer carry them. They can still be ordered for delivery though. Add $20 for shipping to price.
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Out of the panels below. Which are the best panels?
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40HX800 LTY400HL02 Samsung S-PVA
55EX500 LTY550HJ01 Samsung S-PVA
52EX700 LCD PANEL Sharp 52LEST
46EX500 LTY460HJ01 Samsung S-PVA
40EX700 LK400D3LA4B Sharp
40EX500 LTY 400HF06 Samsung S-PVA SLCD
46EX500 LTY 460HJ01 Samsung S-PVA SLCD
32EX500 LTY 320HF01 Samsung S-PVA SLCD
37EX500 T370HW03 AUO A-MVA3
46EX402 LTY 460HM01 Samsung S-PVA SLCD
37EX402 T37HW03 AUO A-MVA3
32EX402 LTY 320HM01 Samsung S-PVA SLCD
32EX302 LTY 320AP04 Samsung S-PVA SLCD
55EX500 LTY 550HJ01 Samsung S-PVA SLCD


22BX300-T216XW01 V3 AUO
22EX308-T216XW01 V3 AUO

26BX30H-26B3-05 CHI MEI
26BX300 -26V0 AUO
26BX300-LTY[Z]320AP04-001 Samsung

32EX300-LTY[Z]320AP04-001 Samsung
32EX305-LTY[Z]320AP04-003 Samsung
32EX400,32EX405-LTY[Z]320HM01-A02 Samsung
32EX500-LTY[Z]320HF01-A03 Samsung
32EX600,32EX605-LTY[Z]320HM02-001 Samsung
32EX700,32EX705-LK315D3LA4S Sharp

37EX500-T370HW03 V9 AUO

40EX400/401-LTY[Z]400HM01-A05 -A06 Samsung
40EX500-LTY[Z]400HF06-002 Samsung
40EX600,EX605-LTY[Z]400HM02-001 Samsung
40EX700-LK400D3LA4S Sharp
40HX70*-LTY[Z]400HL01-001 Samsung
40HX800-LTY[Z]400HL02-001 Samsung
40NX700-LK400D3LA4S Sharp
40NX705- LK400D3LA4T Sharp

46EX400-LTY[Z]460HM01-A02 Samsung
46EX405- LTY[Z]460HM01-001 Samsung
46EX500- LTY[Z]460HJ01-A02 Samsung
46EX600- LTY[Z]460HM02-001 Samsung
46EX700- LK460D3LA8S Sharp
46EX700- LTY[Z]460HJ02-001 Samsung
46HX701- LTY[Z]460HQ02-001 Samsung
46HX800- LTY[Z]460HQ03-001 Samsung
46NX700- LK460D3LA8S Sharp
46NX705- LK460D3LA8T Sharp
46NX800- LK460D3LA9S Sharp

52EX700- LK520D3LB1S Sharp
52NX800- LK520D3LB2S Sharp

55EX500,EX505- LTY[Z]550HJ01-002 Samsung
55HX701-LTY[Z]550HQ01-001 Samsung
55HX800- LTY[Z]550HQ02-001 Samsung

60EX500- LK600D3LA3S Sharp
60EX700- LK600D3LA5S Sharp
60EX703- LK600D3LA5S Sharp
60NX801- LK600D3LA6S Sharp

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So how happy overall are HX701 owners with their tvs? It does not sound like there are any MAJOR issues with the sets overall, correct? Major as in power supplies going bad within a year, bad clouding on screen etc. I know there is reflection off of the glass screen, but other than that anything else?
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Man I want to love this TV. Bought Wednesday because it seemed like a good deal but I don't feel Sony handled this TV well. I'm watching the Cowboys ...Cardinals now and some things look great but then if you focus on the field, its as if the field is blurring and pixelating. I have tried so many settings including advanced settings and setting the black correction to high. I have always loved Sony and feel they make great products. My son thought I was crazy the other day until I took him in Sams with me and started comparing the Samsung 40" LCD to this TV. He kept walking back and forth and then said "your right...it is very grainy and cloudy in the dark areas of the screen, almost as if the black was going into a greyish color. I bought the Samsung and brought home knowing one of these was going back to the store. Me like an idiot started reading reviews where Samsung has problems with the capacitors going bad in their sets. Based on this, I took the Samsung back and now feel I made a mistake. It will be embarrassing now to carry this set back but I don't believe I can deal with the grainy and cloudy look. Any help on settings would be appreciated. Also my room is very low lit. I've seen a few other people on here note the same thing. I don't think I rec'd a bad TV....I just think it may be Sony.

I have a 32" sony also with clouding issues. I guess the 40" just multiplied it. Anyone know any great LCD's I should look at if I return this? A lot of people I know are sold on Vizio's but I'm not. I love Sony, but man I feel like its hard to beat Samsungs picture quality.

Any help with this set would be great?
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Man I want to love this TV. Bought Wednesday because it seemed like a good deal but I don't feel Sony handled this TV well. I'm watching the Cowboys ...Cardinals now and some things look great but then if you focus on the field, its as if the field is blurring and pixelating. I have tried so many settings including advanced settings and setting the black correction to high. I have always loved Sony and feel they make great products. My son thought I was crazy the other day until I took him in Sams with me and started comparing the Samsung 40" LCD to this TV. He kept walking back and forth and then said "your right...it is very grainy and cloudy in the dark areas of the screen, almost as if the black was going into a greyish color. I bought the Samsung and brought home knowing one of these was going back to the store. Me like an idiot started reading reviews where Samsung has problems with the capacitors going bad in their sets. Based on this, I took the Samsung back and now feel I made a mistake. It will be embarrassing now to carry this set back but I don't believe I can deal with the grainy and cloudy look. Any help on settings would be appreciated. Also my room is very low lit. I've seen a few other people on here note the same thing. I don't think I rec'd a bad TV....I just think it may be Sony.

I have a 32" sony also with clouding issues. I guess the 40" just multiplied it. Anyone know any great LCD's I should look at if I return this? A lot of people I know are sold on Vizio's but I'm not. I love Sony, but man I feel like its hard to beat Samsungs picture quality.

Any help with this set would be great?

My guess is that what you were seeing is source related. Did you try blu ray for a comparison. On my set I havent seen these issues, although you are alyways at the mercy of the source. Sometimes the hd looks amazing, while other shows dont look near as good, but this is true on any set you watch. I have a panny g10 plasma, and the motion handling on this set truly rivals my g10, very smooth.

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Haven't tried BluRay yet. I just know when I compared this side by side at home and Sams Club, you could definitely see the difference. I did go in to advanced settings and turned the correct black to high and it appeared to get rid of some of the cloudiness. I love Sony and have never hardly owned anything else but after my last 32" and now this one, it will probably go back unless I can find setting to help. I even called Sony support and all the tech could do was suggest the latest software, to no avail...it didnt help.
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I returned my HX701 due to the poor processing I noticed watching SD/HD chanels. The colours were very good and on some hd stations, the sharpness was bang on. I had no clouding whatsoever but the noise artifacts around edges was a deal breaker for me. Back she went.
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I think it is hit or miss with these sets. I want to love this TV. I'm watching now storm chasers on weather channel HD and the tornado their showing looks horrible. Had Christmas with my family tonight and was watching their 32" Panasonic LCD and started really believing it looked better. I also got right up on the set while the Lakers were playing to see signs of graininess and cloudiness.....and was sorta disappointed. Everything looked together with no signs of distortion. They got the TV for $328. Mine was $698. Wow!
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Save yourself a headache, return the tv, take a short break, then get researching again. I'm in the same boat and I returned 4 tv's including the panasonic G25. I know, I'm picky.
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Do you do gaming? If so, is the 240hz technology really that much better than 120hz. Personally I didn't see any difference between this TV and the Samsung at 120hz. My son thought this looked great on Halo, but then after trying the Samsung at 120 and turning the motion flow on ...he thought it looked great too.
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I don't game (I own a ps3 just for picture viewing) but I asked both my nephews if they noticed a difference on the Samsung 120 or the Sony 240 and they didn't notice a difference at all. One plays call of duty and the other basketball. I looked at both screens like an eagle hunting for prey and I couldn't tell a difference either.
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I agree. I wonder if the 240HZ is just another Sony gimmick to get people buying. Again, I've never purchased anything from Sony that gave me problems. I just can't find the solution for this TV. I watched sports on both the Samsung at 120 and the Sony at 240. I didn't really see any blurriness between either so I'm not convinced on the 240HZ.
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I agree. I wonder if the 240HZ is just another Sony gimmick to get people buying. Again, I've never purchased anything from Sony that gave me problems. I just can't find the solution for this TV. I watched sports on both the Samsung at 120 and the Sony at 240. I didn't really see any blurriness between either so I'm not convinced on the 240HZ.

I have read the 240 versus 120 is not much different. Vizio now has a 480 and I hear the same thing - no difference to 120.

I took a chance and bought one of these too. It is shipping to me since Sams in the NH/MA area where I live no longer have them in the store. Anyway, it will be here Tuesday. I will have to see how it looks.

It is funny how you mentioned the Samsung being so much better. We started out our tv search (bedroom tv) with a UN46C6900 Samsung LED. I could not get the color quite right even after calibration, there was slight clouding on the screen also. I returned it and I got a 32EX500, which is still unopened. Before I opened it I read about this tv. I told my wife about it and decided to take a chance. So if this is bad, I will return it and try the 32EX500 which has many good reviews (as does this tv). If both are bad, I will hold off for another year and go back to my 16 year old Sont 25" tube tv. Still works, slight distortion in the screen, but ok.

Have you tried settings posted in this thread, or a calibration?

As mentioned above, source does have a lot to do with it too. Give the BlueRay a try and let us know what you think.
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I've seen postings but not sure they are actually for this TV model. Do you know what page they are on?

I'm also beginning to wonder if you go with a larger screen if you are just going to see the clouding more especially if your up closer.
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I've seen postings but not sure they are actually for this TV model. Do you know what page they are on?

I'm also beginning to wonder if you go with a larger screen if you are just going to see the clouding more especially if your up closer.
On my iPhone app, page 24 has initial settings. I am sure there are more in the thread.

I believe the larger screen is more unforgiving to signal source variations than a smaller screen would be.
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Don't judge any TV when watching a HD source from Directv, DISH or OTA (Football , baseball, etc). The HD is so compressed and some feeds are worse than others. Sometimes the shows look terrible no matter what TV your watching. For example. Look at this Thread in the HDTV programming area. People with different TVs all complaining about the HD picture. Its not the TV is the Source.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1300981

Like someone said earlier, I would use a bluray movie to make my decision if the PQ was up to my standards.

I forgot to add. I own this TV and game on it all the time. No problems at all.
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I returned my HX701 due to the poor processing I noticed watching SD/HD chanels. The colours were very good and on some hd stations, the sharpness was bang on. I had no clouding whatsoever but the noise artifacts around edges was a deal breaker for me. Back she went.

Noise artifacts around object edges are usually caused by the Sharpness setting being too high.

LCD TV Calibration

You might initially think "the sharper the better," and set the Sharpness to it's maximum. The problem is, however, that as your TV increases the visible sharpness of an image, it also introduces unwanted artifacts that detract from accuracy, and even cause eyestrain during prolonged viewing.
http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdt...libration.html
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Noise artifacts around object edges are usually caused by the Sharpness setting being too high.

My sharpness setting was set to 0. Can't get any lower than that.
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On my iPhone app, page 24 has initial settings. I am sure there are more in the thread.

I believe the larger screen is more unforgiving to signal source variations than a smaller screen would be.

Settings published by member johanverschuren

The above settings are just a couple of pages back. On my 60EX700, setting the Ambient Sensor to OFF made a big difference. I don't know about your model tv, but you may want to play with it and decide for yourself.

"After some time I noticed that with the System Setings > Eco > Power Saving: Low, the image quality with SD content was not so sharp so I went back to Power saving Off and the result was much better. I am now very pleased with the calibration settings for SD and HD content."

Profile: Cinema
Backlight: 4 (depending on your viewing environment)
Contrast: 89
Brightness: 51
Colour: 50
sharpness: Min
Colour temp: Warm2 (6500K Color temperature)
Noise reduction: Off
Mpeg NR: Off
Motionflow: Standard
Film-mode: Auto 2
Hue: 0

Advanced settings: All off
System Setings > Eco > Power Saving: Off

Gamma: +1

R-gain: -1
G-gain: -5
B-gain: -1
R-bias: 0
G-bias: 0
B-bias: 0

For film and TV based content the color temperature must be set to 6500K (D65). On Wikipedia you can read more about this subject.

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I agree. I wonder if the 240HZ is just another Sony gimmick to get people buying. Again, I've never purchased anything from Sony that gave me problems. I just can't find the solution for this TV. I watched sports on both the Samsung at 120 and the Sony at 240. I didn't really see any blurriness between either so I'm not convinced on the 240HZ.

LCDTvGuide has a very comprehensible article about this very topic. I'll post an excerpt followed by the link to the whole article:

"So manufacturers are doing all they can to eliminate or lessen the effects of these problems. They have recently increased the refresh rate or response time to 120Hz and 240Hz as a premium feature on some of the newest high end LCD TVs. How much does it help?
It does a great deal to cut down on motion induced artifacts - especially with fast motion scenes. It decreases motion lag and judder. However, there are nasty side effects you should know about. When viewing film and broadcast programming in 120Hz/240Hz we see unwanted background noise introduced. Many of the tricks movie producers and programmers employ to create depth and give background information a background look are unraveled and what results is a distracting lack of depth. Cinematography is impaired. In some film reproduction, the background set becomes so clear that you can see the cheap tricks used in the studio to create an effect of say stones in the background. With 120Hz/240Hz you can see that they are plastic. It causes unnatural appearance of the image popping out of the background especially in when foreground characters are moving slowly."
http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdt...40hz-60hz.html
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My sharpness setting was set to 0. Can't get any lower than that.

Sam,
Just curious, did you see the same artifacts while watching Blue-ray movies?
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Sam,
Just curious, did you see the same artifacts while watching Blue-ray movies?

The only bluray I played was Dark Night and I can't say I saw any noise. On HD shows, 2 of the best channels are CBC newsworld and CNN and most of the time they look good but I would see noise on people's faces some of the time. It could be a feed issue but I also had some stuck pixels on the set, so this made it an easy return.

I'm driving myself nuts trying to find the "perfect" tv. It's boxing day today in Canada (similar to black Friday in the US) and there are so many great deals out there but I really want to make sure I'll keep my next set. I've returned 4 tv's including the Panasonic G25. I'm now leaning towards the Samsung LN55C610 from BB.
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Yes,,,BluRay looks pretty good, but everybody doesn't sit around watching BluRays all the time. I do like watching regular TV. I bought Salt today just to see and yes it looks good, but why can't Sony handle HD/SD on this TV like Samsung did. Remember, I bought both. Wife and son told me to keep Samsung but unfortunately, I returned it. I think this one will be going back ....but to another city only to get the Samsung again. I know a lot of people on here say it's the sourcing but...just funny side by side, the Samsung no where near showed the same flaws, pixilation, cloudiness, actual colors moving on you. I can't explain it. I have directv. Should I switch back to comcast to make this set better?
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Sam,
If you didn't see the noise with Blue-ray movies, it's obvious the tv is not culprit!
"I'm driving myself nuts trying to find the "perfect" tv"

There is not such an animal asa perfect tv! All tv have some sort of defect, you have to learn to live with the one that has, the less offensive defects!
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Sam,
If you didn't see the noise with Blue-ray movies, it's obvious the tv is not culprit!
"I'm driving myself nuts trying to find the "perfect" tv"

There is not such an animal asa perfect tv! All tv have some sort of defect, you have to learn to live with the one that has, the less offensive defects!

You're so right, hughh, no perfect beast, but why not?

I never saw noise with the Samsung, not even from viewing 6 feet away but didn't like the vertical banding. There's still some good deals this boxing week that I'm leaning towards the Samsung C610 and if the screen is good, then it's good enough for me. Time to move on.
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I never saw noise with the Samsung, not even from viewing 6 feet away but didn't like the vertical banding. There's still some good deals this boxing week that I'm leaning towards the Samsung C610 and if the screen is good, then it's good enough for me. Time to move on.

Well, good luck on the Samsung. My 40HX701 will be here Wednesday now due to our snow here. Hopefully I don't have to return it!
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Well, good luck on the Samsung. My 40HX701 will be here Wednesday now due to our snow here. Hopefully I don't have to return it!
I would be suprised if you need to return it. Its an amazing deal for under $700. I can game in standard mode without motion flow on, and there is no lag, and the picture is amazing. Keep in mind that people are paying more right now for the ex500, and this set has better blacks, and true 240hz processing, plus the internet functions. The only remote downside I see with this tv is the viewing angle. However that is the case with probably 90% of lcd tvs.

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I would be suprised if you need to return it. Its an amazing deal for under $700. I can game in standard mode without motion flow on, and there is no lag, and the picture is amazing. Keep in mind that people are paying more right now for the ex500, and this set has better blacks, and true 240hz processing, plus the internet functions. The only remote downside I see with this tv is the viewing angle. However that is the case with probably 90% of lcd tvs.

I sure hope so. I know I am very picky when it comes to tvs. I want great picture quality without spending a bunch for the technology.

Anyway, it should be delivered Wednesday. Hopefully it gets to my house while I am home!
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