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BTT917's Avatar BTT917 04:49 PM 06-03-2010
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Originally Posted by iLLEST x BEAST View Post

These two would be a lot better.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+...skuId=9791253#

That is a 720p display, or should I say 1024x768.


This TV costs more and has a very reflective screen, as well as a lower CR spec (140k:1 to 80k:1). But, they probably share the same panel anyway.

iLLEST x BEAST's Avatar iLLEST x BEAST 02:54 AM 06-04-2010
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That is a 720p display, or should I say 1024x768.

Yes but the quality was much better. I had both these sets and the Samsung was just the better TV for my bedroom. My girl even notice how much better it was than the Bravia. I wanted to like it but I couldn't. I needed a gaming set and it was perfect for me since most games if not all games are rendered at 720p. Not everyone can notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. I watched game 1 of the NBA finals last night and i was amazed how good it looked compared to the Bravia.
dougotte's Avatar dougotte 07:23 AM 06-04-2010
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Originally Posted by iLLEST x BEAST View Post

Yes but the quality was much better. I had both these sets and the Samsung was just the better TV for my bedroom. My girl even notice how much better it was than the Bravia. I wanted to like it but I couldn't. I needed a gaming set and it was perfect for me since most games if not all games are rendered at 720p. Not everyone can notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. I watched game 1 of the NBA finals last night and i was amazed how good it looked compared to the Bravia.

Your reasoning makes sense for your own needs. Plasmas still have better PQ than LCDs, IMO. And, for watching 720p content, there's no benefit to having a 1080p set, AFAIK.

However, for those of us who watch 1080p content, a 1080p set is probably better. So, you can't compare the two sets for every user.

Doug
BTT917's Avatar BTT917 08:52 AM 06-04-2010
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Originally Posted by iLLEST x BEAST View Post

Yes but the quality was much better. I had both these sets and the Samsung was just the better TV for my bedroom. My girl even notice how much better it was than the Bravia. I wanted to like it but I couldn't. I needed a gaming set and it was perfect for me since most games if not all games are rendered at 720p. Not everyone can notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. I watched game 1 of the NBA finals last night and i was amazed how good it looked compared to the Bravia.

No question that plasmas have benefits over LCD, motion resolution and off-axis PQ being the biggest IMO. But with a "720p" plasma I couldn't live with losing nearly half of the vertical resolution of a Blu-ray or 1080i broadcasts (1024 vs. 1920).
DonSolo's Avatar DonSolo 09:23 AM 06-05-2010
Just wondering what would be a better tv for use as a pc monitor for gaming/web browsing The Sony 32ex400 or the Samsung LN32C550. While the Samsung is higher price new egg has a 24 hour deal going on making both tv's $400 so just wondering which to get.
sapsa's Avatar sapsa 12:42 PM 06-05-2010
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Just wondering what would be a better tv for use as a pc monitor for gaming/web browsing The Sony 32ex400 or the Samsung LN32C550. While the Samsung is higher price new egg has a 24 hour deal going on making both tv's $400 so just wondering which to get.

Samsung, for great PQ! Both got same input lag ~40ms
Vantage72's Avatar Vantage72 01:02 PM 06-05-2010
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Originally Posted by iLLEST x BEAST View Post

Yes but the quality was much better. I had both these sets and the Samsung was just the better TV for my bedroom. My girl even notice how much better it was than the Bravia. I wanted to like it but I couldn't. I needed a gaming set and it was perfect for me since most games if not all games are rendered at 720p. Not everyone can notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. I watched game 1 of the NBA finals last night and i was amazed how good it looked compared to the Bravia.

I agree that plasma looks a bit better than LCD. I went from a Panasonic 42" plasma to the 40EX402.

Real power consumption went from 240 watt to 80 watt. (measured myself)

PS. at the price I paid for the 40EX402 it's impossible to get a Full HD plasma. Over 3 years time the plasma would be even more expensive because of the power usage.
iLLEST x BEAST's Avatar iLLEST x BEAST 07:38 PM 06-06-2010
@DonSolo: Go with the Samsung


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I agree that plasma looks a bit better than LCD. I went from a Panasonic 42" plasma to the 40EX402.

Real power consumption went from 240 watt to 80 watt. (measured myself)

PS. at the price I paid for the 40EX402 it's impossible to get a Full HD plasma. Over 3 years time the plasma would be even more expensive because of the power usage.

My new plasma uses a lot less than 240W, it's an energy star qualified TV.

40EX400:
Power Consumption (On Mode) for Energy Star : 97.3W

Power Consumption (in Operation) max. : 170W Max

Plasmas don't consume as much power as they use to. I do also understand that 1080p consumes more power than 720p. It really all depends on the TV since they are plasmas that consumes less than LCDs, but most plasmas on average consumes more power.

I doubt the plasma would be more expensive. You wouldn't be saving up that much. This isn't 2003, we are in 2010.
Vantage72's Avatar Vantage72 12:45 PM 06-07-2010
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Originally Posted by iLLEST x BEAST View Post

40EX400:
Power Consumption (On Mode) for Energy Star : 97.3W

My Sony 40EX402 consumes less than 80 watt (Energy saving on, backlight at 4). The equipment I use to measure it is good. If you want I can take pictures to show it.

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Originally Posted by iLLEST x BEAST View Post

I doubt the plasma would be more expensive. You wouldn't be saving up that much.

I paid 466 euro for my 40EX402. The Panasonic Full HD plasma costs over 600 euros and consumes over 200 watt.

Can you measure the power consumption of your plasma? I'd be interested to know how much it consumes on energy saving settings.
iLLEST x BEAST's Avatar iLLEST x BEAST 07:07 PM 06-07-2010
Here in the US I would probably be saving no more than $20 a year with my 42" plasma over LCD. Keep in mind that I have been talking about a 720p set. Samsung currently does not have any new 1080p in 42". The plasma cost me $519.99, when I bought the Bravia it was $629. In my case the plasma probably wouldn't cost me more in 3 years.

I do have the Samsung 50" 1080p in the living room that I just bought the other day at BB but that sh*ts over the Bravia and don't think it's a fair comparison but that only uses 145W in case you are wondering. The 42" I have been talking about consumes only 112W. I never did use the energy savings on the LCD and had my backlight at 8-9 so that will consume more power than your settings. You are talking about about a model that isn't in the US I don't know if that makes a difference but I am clearly talking about the US models.

An LCD will use constant wattage no matter what is on the screen even when the screen is black (eg. dark scenaries, etc). A plasma's power consumption will vary depending what is shown on the screen (eg. snowy mountains, bright scenaries) the plasma will use more power than an LCD but for dark scenaries the power consumption of a plasma will drop a fair bit compared to an LCD because the wattage will stay constant. So it basically weighs out the same for both TV's. What it comes down to though, is that the actual $$ differences in power consumption is so small that 99% aren't going to notice it.
Vantage72's Avatar Vantage72 12:17 AM 06-08-2010
I'm not talking about 1024 x 768 plasmas, we're in 2010 now

In my case the comparison would be between 42" Full HD plasma (Panasonic P42U2) and 40" Full HD LCD (Sony 40EX402). The plasma uses about 190 watt more on average. If the TV is on for 5 hours TV per day that's more than 200 euros difference over 3 years.

Power consumption isn't different between European and US models. Energy prices may differ though.
iLLEST x BEAST's Avatar iLLEST x BEAST 07:02 AM 06-08-2010
Either your math is off or you are paying way too much for electricity. You would be seeing about 108 euro difference over 3 years if cost of electricity was .15 per kWh.

Electricity consumed in one day = 80 * 5 = 400 watt hours

Electricity consumed in one month = 400 * 30 = 12000 watt hours

Divide by 1000 to convert watts to kilowatts = 12 kWh or 12 units

Say cost of electricity per unit is 15 cents then cost of electricity is $1.80 per month.

$1.80 * 12(months) = 21.60(year)
21.60 * 3(years) = 64.80 - (Sony 40EX402)
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240 * 5 = 1200
1200 * 30 = 36000
36000/1000 = 36
36 * .15 = 5.40
5.40 * 12 = 64
64 * 3 = 194.40 - (Panasonic P42U2)
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194.40-64.80 = $129.60 (108.52 euros)

I think we got way off topic. lol
Vantage72's Avatar Vantage72 09:04 AM 06-08-2010
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Either your math is off or you are paying way too much for electricity. You would be seeing about 108 euro difference over 3 years if cost of electricity was .15 per kWh.

5 hours x 190 watt difference = 0.95 kWh per day

0.19 cents per kWh x 365 days = 69 euros per year

207 euros over 3 years

And yes we are way off topic But it's good to know for me that a Full HD plasma would work out quite expensive for my situation.
chuckfredgoose's Avatar chuckfredgoose 02:03 PM 06-08-2010
How do I, and what format of videos can the USB port play?

I tried:

Xvid
Divx
MP4
AVCHD
VOB

and all...nothing
iLLEST x BEAST's Avatar iLLEST x BEAST 04:04 PM 06-08-2010
@Vantage72 is that .19 in euros because if it is that is too much. That's almost a quarter per KWH in the US. The way you calculate is confusing to me lol.

@chuckfredgoose It should be able to play AVI and .MPG files, Xvid and Divx are codecs and this TV won't be able to play these.
DonSolo's Avatar DonSolo 07:48 PM 06-08-2010
So I finally bit the bullet and got the Sony 32ex400. Not a bad deal since bing cashback was 20% at Best Buy so I got a good deal on it. So far is looks great a huge difference coming from a 15inch CRT.

The only problem is when I connect my brother's pc using the vga it auto goes into 1080 but there is about a two inch black space on the right side. I use the scale but still couldn't scale it to fit the whole screen. Would it make a difference if I got a dvi to hdmi cable? By the way he has a geforce 8800GT.

I wanted to test things before I get a new pc right now I'm using amd 2400+ with ati 2600 hd pro. I can run in 720 fine and it looks great.
Vantage72's Avatar Vantage72 01:48 AM 06-09-2010
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Originally Posted by iLLEST x BEAST View Post

@Vantage72 is that .19 in euros because if it is that is too much. That's almost a quarter per KWH in the US. The way you calculate is confusing to me lol.

Yeah I wrote it wrong. It's 20 cents per kWh. We have to pay environment taxes on our electricity.

It's 5 hours x 0.190 kilowatt x 0.20 cents per kWh x 365 days x 3 years = 208 euro.
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Originally Posted by chuckfredgoose View Post

How do I, and what format of videos can the USB port play?

I tried:

Xvid
Divx
MP4
AVCHD
VOB

and all...nothing

What error message do you get?

What is the resolution of your Divx file? It should not be lower than 720p.
Beeper's Avatar Beeper 08:16 AM 06-09-2010
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The only problem is when I connect my brother's pc using the vga it auto goes into 1080 but there is about a two inch black space on the right side. I use the scale but still couldn't scale it to fit the whole screen. Would it make a difference if I got a dvi to hdmi cable?

When using the VGA input, don't scale with the graphics card, use the display's auto adjustment (under picture size/PC settings).

With a DVI/HDMI cable, the auto adjustment isn't used (or needed).
chuckfredgoose's Avatar chuckfredgoose 04:26 PM 06-09-2010
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What error message do you get?

What is the resolution of your Divx file? It should not be lower than 720p.

From what I remember, there wasn't any error message.

I've tried everything without any luck. Is there a tutorial or any info on how to play a video file. My Samsung Series 6 plays every one of those files.
iLLEST x BEAST's Avatar iLLEST x BEAST 03:10 PM 06-10-2010
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From what I remember, there wasn't any error message.

I've tried everything without any luck. Is there a tutorial or any info on how to play a video file. My Samsung Series 6 plays every one of those files.

It's the codec in the format that won't allow you to play these files. If you are trying to play movies that you downloaded off the internet, you will not be able to play any of these files since most of them have xvid/divx codecs. You could try converting the files to .MPEG. I wouldn't depend on this TV playing any of your files because it does a poor job of it. They could have released an update for xvid/divx playback but they have very poor customer service..

That other dude has a UK model that could be slightly different. I know with all the TVs I've ever owned a feature was either added on a UK model or missing. Just like the Ex500 models in the UK uses the Bravia Engine 3 and the US model doesn't.
DonSolo's Avatar DonSolo 07:30 AM 06-11-2010
Thanks for the reply

Under the Nvida control panel display size I don't see any scaling options only move the screen up down left and right. Haven't been able to find the scale setting. By the way using windows Vista 32bit


And on my AMD system I was watching a avi file and about a hour into it my pc froze and Ive been unable to turn it back on doesn't even beep or post. Took out everything one peice at a time except the cpu and still no beep so some how I guess the mother board got fried.
Malicize's Avatar Malicize 02:30 PM 06-11-2010
I think I'm going to pull the trigger (not cancel in-store pickup) on an EX-400. I'm worried about input lag and ghosting.. but I doubt the store will let me hook up a laptop to test. Buying a TV is freakishly hard as a new buyer when what really matters (gaming capability) is so difficult to find, even with massive research.
Malicize's Avatar Malicize 02:19 PM 06-18-2010
Can you all tell me if you can access the Advanced Settings menu on their EX400 (where the color & gamma settings are)? Mine's greyed out and I don't know why!
Zebas_'s Avatar Zebas_ 05:15 AM 06-19-2010
the best calibration for ps3??
dougotte's Avatar dougotte 06:57 AM 06-19-2010
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Originally Posted by Malicize View Post

Can you all tell me if you can access the Advanced Settings menu on their EX400 (where the color & gamma settings are)? Mine's greyed out and I don't know why!

Yes; I can access the Advanced Settings. Did you lock your settings? Can you change any other settings? If not, maybe you locked your settings.

Doug
iLLEST x BEAST's Avatar iLLEST x BEAST 12:11 AM 06-20-2010
Some settings you can't use depending on what inputs you are using, so thats why they are locked.
Zebas_'s Avatar Zebas_ 04:41 AM 06-21-2010
the best calibration for ps3? etc anyone?
ex0du5's Avatar ex0du5 10:54 AM 06-21-2010
Anyone have experience with this? I'm looking for a small TV to use as a monitor (because lets face it...TN monitors are awful).

This Sony TV is on sale at Futureshop for $600 so it's a good candidate:

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...4def33b41aen02

Now, there are simply 2 issues I'm concerned with:

1) Text clarity. I understand that better TVs have video processors that may or may not interfere with the text that a PC outputs.
2) Input lag. While a few dozen miliseconds of input lag is hard to feel with a game controller, it's very easy to feel with a mouse.

I'm assuming ghosting shouldn't be a big deal (I'm just coming from a 3 year old Samsung 2232 monitor anyways).

Any advice or comments would be appreciated. If you can think of any better alternatives, don't be afraid to mention them.

Thanks.

edit: I guess 1) means that I'm looking for 1:1 pixel mapping. The information in this thread seems to be quite contradictory so far...some people say the TV supports 1:1 pixel mapping, and some say it doesn't.

The other TV I'm looking at is the 32" Samsung in the same price range:

Samsung LN32C550
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...5564f3bc20en02
Beeper's Avatar Beeper 12:32 PM 06-21-2010
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Originally Posted by ex0du5 View Post

Now, there are simply 2 issues I'm concerned with:

1) Text clarity. I understand that better TVs have video processors that may or may not interfere with the text that a PC outputs.
2) Input lag. While a few dozen miliseconds of input lag is hard to feel with a game controller, it's very easy to feel with a mouse.

Thanks.

edit: I guess 1) means that I'm looking for 1:1 pixel mapping. The information in this thread seems to be quite contradictory so far...some people say the TV supports 1:1 pixel mapping, and some say it doesn't.

It does support 1:1 pixel, and it has a graphics mode to optimize PC use.
I had one connected to a PC with DVI/HDMI 1080p and had no complaint with the text clarity.
ex0du5's Avatar ex0du5 02:00 PM 06-21-2010
Fantastic. I'm going to try to pick it up tonight. Hopefully the input lag and motion blur are at acceptable levels.

I can always take it back if it doesn't do the trick (and then proceed to cry as I am unable to find a suitable screen for my needs).

Thanks.
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