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post #91 of 114 Old 06-09-2010, 06:19 PM
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i cannot speak for the new models but the black screen uniformity of my 37S1 is flawless, yeah the black is more of a bluish hue when the whole screen is black or the room is dark but this is to be expected on these panels its never been their strong point.

i've yet to see an IPS TV that has any significant screen uniformity problems VA based TV's on the other hand have them regularly and this is attributed to the way the VA type LCD's work internally and has little to do with the backlight, its all about uneven panel thickness caused by manufacturing tolerance problems in the LCD panel as well as construction and design of the cabinet/frame etc. putting too much pressure on the glass in certain areas.

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dave, check out panny 42 D25 LED backlight or think about 42G25 reviewed on this web sight.

This must be it: Panasonic D25 (TX-L42D25B) Review
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i've yet to see an IPS TV that has any significant screen uniformity problems

Same here. Screen uniformity on the L37S1 IPS Alpha and the 37LH20 S-IPS sets I've used is very good. Unfortunately, it's a uniform gray.

Grayish blacks is a price I'm willing to pay, though, for low lag and wider angles.
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Has anyone here tried the L32C22 yet? I've been thinking about picking this up.

I'm looking for an entry level 32 inch TV For PS3 gaming,Blu ray, and Digital cable viewing. but after reading these forums I'm more confused than ever LOL

I've heard good things about IPS Panels, but I'm wondering what peoples thoughts were about this model compared to other brands in this price range.

My only experience with LCD is an older POS 26 in Protron TV So I assume anything would be a step up

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

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Has anyone here tried the L32C22 yet?

Ditto. Particularly, - how it compares to L32X2 (i.e. whether added Ipod dock and $80 higher cost of L32X2 is the only difference)?

About comparing it to other brands - I've got interested in C22 and X2 after reading that X2 was THE only entry-level model that worked well via composite video inputs. Sony XB300 didn't cut it - displayed a pair of yellow horizontal lines on blue background (sky etc) and picture quality was lower than in X2.
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Ditto. Particularly, - how it compares to L32X2 (i.e. whether added Ipod dock and $80 higher cost of L32X2 is the only difference)?

About comparing it to other brands - I've got interested in C22 and X2 after reading that X2 was THE only entry-level model that worked well via composite video inputs. Sony XB300 didn't cut it - displayed a pair of yellow horizontal lines on blue background (sky etc) and picture quality was lower than in X2.

previous page i took pics of the 37" C22 pixel layout

I only had it for 2 days

Picture out of the box was overly sharp, SD tv material looked fairly decent, black levels seemed a bit better than my 37LH30 but I decided to return it and keep my 37" LG LH30 because I found LG had more robust menu options, less input lag (I noticed bit more delay when playing Red Dead Redemption and Bad Company) and I preferred the less sharp image it produced (and 1080p vs 720p).
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Ditto. Particularly, - how it compares to L32X2 (i.e. whether added Ipod dock and $80 higher cost of L32X2 is the only difference)?

LOL I was just looking at that model online,and was going to edit my post to ask the same question.
The only differences I noticed was a "Game mode" Clean Touch Bezel,10 W more audio output,and a higher Contrast.
The only added feature that really interests me is Game mode. I wonder if that would provide less input lag than the C22 without hurting PQ?

jangaboo thanks for your input. Do you think the sharpness could be reduced in the regular menu's or would that have to be done via the Service menu?
Also did the sharpness produce a lot of artifacts. IE: jaggies?

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LOL I was just looking at that model online,and was going to edit my post to ask the same question.
The only differences I noticed was a "Game mode" Clean Touch Bezel,10 W more audio output,and a higher Contrast.
The only added feature that really interests me is Game mode. I wonder if that would provide less input lag than the C22 without hurting PQ?

jangaboo thanks for your input. Do you think the sharpness could be reduced in the regular menu's or would that have to be done via the Service menu?
Also did the sharpness produce a lot of artifacts. IE: jaggies?

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there wasn't too drastic difference between the screens picture quality wise, it was smaller things that stood out like than the menu options, packaging, etc etc

The LG was packaged better IMO, The Panasonic l37c22 can't swivel left/right and i had to screw on the bottom metallic placeholder for the Panasonic and then sit it on top and more screws (8 screws total vs 4 on LG)

at default 50 sharpness the LG looks fine but i had to lower the Panasonic to about 10 sharpness to get the same look

The Panasonic made a clicking sound when turned off/on which I also noticed on my older Sony 32L4000 and Samsung 40B500 but this isn't present at all on the LG, and the LG displayed SD channel changes faster.

small things, i think most people would be happy with either. Get the cheaper one
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small things, i think most people would be happy with either. Get the cheaper one

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I'm trying to fine more info on Panasonics latest D2 sets.

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

Does anyone have any info on these panels? I love my lx700 but can't figure out what to get next looking at 42 to 46 inch sets. Leaning towards panny plasmas but wouldn't be against an excellent LCD from Panny again.

Has anyone seen one? Who makes the panel? In starting to wonder if it is an LG panel? Insight?

thanks

My local Sears has a TCL42D2 on display. The sub-pixels have the ">>>" chevron pattern seen in Paullouisj's first photo. See Post #63.
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Has anyone measured the black levels on the U22 series in comparison to say the LN C550 Samsungs?

 

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Has anyone measured the black levels on the U22 series in comparison to say the LN C550 Samsungs?

Clicking sound would mean stronger capacitior??(more mfd) wouldnt it??

Any cons or pros on this d2 from any owners yet??

Thx
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I keep searching for posts regarding 42" U22 picture quality, and all I can find is this thread were everyone is more interested in talking about what kind of IPS the U22 line uses.

What kind of tech the 42" panel uses is interesting, but I am more concerned with what KIND OF PQ this tech produces on the 42" LCD.

Macro shots of lcd panels do not explain how the PQ is, and how the TV responds to playing COD MW2, and watching movies.

Can anyone here that has the 42" U22 please comment on how the set looks with movies, and plays games?

I bought the 42U22, and I have the chance to exchange the set for the 42" panny plasma (the S2) for $50 more. I cannot make up my mind, can you guys give me some advice please,

Much appreciated.
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Can anyone comment on U22 picture quality? Anyone?
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Can anyone comment on U22 picture quality? Anyone?

I got to play around with the C22, not sure how different U22 would be

37C22
  • noticeable input lag when playing video games
  • menu interface and opitons were step back from LG
  • black levels looked bit better than LG S-IPS however black levels still weren't as good as VA or Plasma i've seen

I'd stay away from IPS panels for movie watching I've found VA and Plasmas produce much better black levels. LG 42LD450 (S-IPS) is distracting watching True Blood or any video with dark scenes and I've found this to always be the case with any IPS panels

i haven't used the plasma you mentioned so I wouldn't really know how to compare, if you're able to bring home the plasma and keep the 1 you like best (Costco hates me for doing this but few times wont hurt lol)
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I got to play around with the C22, not sure how different U22 would be


I'd stay away from IPS panels for movie watching I've found VA and Plasmas produce much better black levels. LG 42LD450 (S-IPS) is distracting watching True Blood or any video with dark scenes and I've found this to always be the case with any IPS panels

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Funny, the guys on the Plasma forum are saying the floating blacks make the dark scenes aggravating on the Panny plasma's also.

Seems like either way we loose
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Costco has a new Panasonic VIERA® D24 LED TV, anyone know anything about this set yet? It looks like a D2 minus some features. I am thinking of returning my Samsung UN40C6400 for this because of black smearing.
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Have any of you checked out Panasonics new commercial line of LCDs? They top out at 47" right now, but seem extremely versatile, and potentially awesome PQ!

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...del=TH-47LF20U
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Have any of you checked out Panasonics new commercial line of LCDs? They top out at 47" right now, but seem extremely versatile, and potentially awesome PQ!

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...del=TH-47LF20U

WOW thats pricey. I would get a high end Panny plasma before I spent 1800 on a 47" lcd.
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Not a lot of activity on this thread. No one has yet commented on the PQ of the 42" U22, or the lag while playing FPS's. Maybe that's a good thing.

The S2 plasma thread has hundreds of posts. Many of them complaints.
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I tested my 42U22 via the "PC port" without calibrating.
I got a 30-31 ms LAG TIME.

Also, I took a MACRO shot of the panel.


I hope this helps!
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^^^ this is not a macro pic.


That is a macro pic.(example with the TC-L42D2)


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LOL, sorry I tried. I am learning how to use my Nikon camera.
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First post, everyone. Wanted to thank everyone for all the useful info they've shared on this site.

Have successfully hooked up my 37" U22. Checked the back panel and it specifically states it as being IPS-Alpha. The PQ is great. Have it hooked up to Panasonic's BD-45 player and it works seamlessly. The Alpha panel does make a difference. Wasn't sure if it would then I checked it out at a local BB and off-angle viewing on the other sets simply couldn't match it. Not sure about lag time, not a gamer.

Simply wanted to add my two cents to this conversation. So far I'm very pleased. Had a 720p Panny X1 before this and I'm blown away at the difference Blu-Ray/1080p makes.
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