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I'm buying my first HD TV. I would like a local dimming LED model, but I can't seem to find any in a size range of 40-42". Does it really make a difference if it's edge lit led or ccfl in a realativly small 40" TV?

The models I have been looking at are:

LG 42LE5400
I can't find the 5500 anywhere

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Sony 40" EX700
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Yes,

Power consumption, less thickness for example.

THe choises you give me are very hard; all of the TV's are great. If you have the money for the C7, go for it. If you dont need PVR, 3D and a Sat Tuner, go for the C6 for the thinness. If you are a SONY-fan, go for the Sony.

I would take the SL90 LG instead a LE5400!
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I would like a local dimming LED model, but I can't seem to find any in a size range of 40-42".

LG 42LH90 (discontinued, still available online)
Vizio XVT423SV (not available yet; Amazon says it will be released July 1)
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I'm buying my first HD TV. I would like a local dimming LED model, but I can't seem to find any in a size range of 40-42". Does it really make a difference if it's edge lit led or ccfl in a realativly small 40" TV?

The models I have been looking at are:

LG 42LE5400
I can't find the 5500 anywhere

Samsung UN40C6500
UN40C7000

Sony 40" EX700
NX700

Thanks.

I consider edge-lit to be inferior to CCFL back-lighting. Sony 40 EX501 from Sams, BJs, Costco all come with 3 year warranty that can go to 4 years with many credit cards.

Edge-lit is only good for cosmetic reasons, i.e., thinner panel. Choosing form over function is only for those with serious cosmetic concerns.
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LED edge-lighting is not "worth it" on any display of any size, in my opinion. There is not a single LED edge-lit display currently on the market that does not deliver worse picture quality due to its LED edge-lit design. Yes, LED edge-lighting allows for thinner displays and it allows them to use minimal electricity, but those two reasons are not enough to overcome the picture quality problems, in my opinion.
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Also, edge-lit Samsung LED TV panels are pretty expensive--even at at a discounter like Fry's Electronics, they're about US$150 to US$200 more compared to the same sized CCFL-backlit units. That's why I ended up with a Sony KDL-40EX500 instead.

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aesthetics aside...The price/performance of CCFL gets the nod IMO. A lot of edge lit displays do a fine job but at what price does a 40" reach the point of diminishing returns? My inner frugal says 1k
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I agree that the C7000 is a bit too pricey. I've actually now been looking at the 6300. I don't see any PQ differences between the 6500 and 6300. And I don't care about 3D
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I consider edge-lit to be inferior to CCFL back-lighting. Sony 40 EX501 from Sams, BJs, Costco all come with 3 year warranty that can go to 4 years with many credit cards.

Edge-lit is only good for cosmetic reasons, i.e., thinner panel. Choosing form over function is only for those with serious cosmetic concerns.

What about the energy savings? And could the picture be worse with the edge-lit models or just not worth the extra money?
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aesthetics aside...The price/performance of CCFL gets the nod IMO. A lot of edge lit displays do a fine job but at what price does a 40" reach the point of diminishing returns? My inner frugal says 1k

What does your inner frugal say about the energy savings of the LED. I've been seeing the 40" led models for $1250. I don't think that's too bad.
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Yes,

Power consumption, less thickness for example.

THe choises you give me are very hard; all of the TV's are great. If you have the money for the C7, go for it. If you dont need PVR, 3D and a Sat Tuner, go for the C6 for the thinness. If you are a SONY-fan, go for the Sony.

I would take the SL90 LG instead a LE5400!

I've actually been considering the Samsung C6300, but I may want to wait to see what LG comes out with in June
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could the picture be worse with the edge-lit models or just not worth the extra money?

I think some of Samsung's CCFL models are better than most of their edge-lit LED models. You would probably be better off with the cheaper CCFL 6 or 7-series than with the LED 6 or 7-series. I think Sony is the same way; some of their CCFL models are better than some of their more expensive LED models. But while it's still available, the 42LH90 is probably the best deal.

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What does your inner frugal say about the energy savings of the LED. I've been seeing the 40" led models for $1250. I don't think that's too bad.

Are you serious? The difference in energy cost will be like $1 a year.
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What about the energy savings? And could the picture be worse with the edge-lit models or just not worth the extra money?


OK. I'll bite, what about the energy savings?

Yes, the picture can be worse with edge-lit models, and they are just not worth the extra savings unless you value form over function.
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and they are just not worth the extra savings unless you value form over function.

...and there it is right there. It sounds like that's the decision you're dealing with more so than price/performance.
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Thanks for all the great replys. I've got more shopping to do, and I have to think about what I really want.
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I have to say that casually observing budget panels walking through a Target store recently during several consecutive Sundays as I shop where they are starting to add more and better panels that a low end Samsung LED 40" C5000 I think it was - It was the best performing panel easily against all the others in it's size - blew away a Panny Plasma next to it and was far less reflective (PDP was reflective constantly during feeds like a mirror whereas the Samsung was only reflective during black scenes and store lighting at Target is Bright) and surpassed the Vizio, Sony, Westinhouse and others.

Of course if you place it up against the higher end Samsungs, LG's that may differ but I found it to be quite excellent for one of the lower ends C5000 panels. To me it's worth it if you a smart shopper and of course you have the budget resources and if there may be higher end features one may not need or desire.

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I have to say that casually observing budget panels walking through a Target store recently during several consecutive Sundays as I shop where they are starting to add more and better panels that a low end Samsung LED 40" C5000 I think it was - It was the best performing panel easily against all the others in it's size - blew away a Panny Plasma next to it and was far less reflective (PDP was reflective constantly during feeds like a mirror whereas the Samsung was only reflective during black scenes and store lighting at Target is Bright) and surpassed the Vizio, Sony, Westinhouse and others.

Of course if you place it up against the higher end Samsungs, LG's that may differ but I found it to be quite excellent for one of the lower ends C5000 panels. To me it's worth it if you a smart shopper and of course you have the budget resources and if there may be higher end features one may not need or desire.

I agree that they look great at the stores. But I take that with a grain of salt. With the bright lights and HD loops they use it may look much different at home. I'm worried about the form factor of the LED models causing some distortion or clouding in the picture, that can't bee seen in the stores.
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I would like a local dimming LED model, but I can't seem to find any in a size range of 40-42".

Check out the Vizio xvt423sv. 42 inch full array local dimming LED. Its available for pre-order on Amazon now for less than the competitors edge lit models. It will probably be even less when Costco gets it in stock.

http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-XVT423SV...4881935&sr=8-1
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You might consider the toshiba 40ux600u. Very comparable to the samsung 6500 for a lot less and even includes the wifi adapter. Around here it is even selling for less than the samsung 6300.
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I've found the LG 42LE5400 to be pretty good. It has a lot better picture from an angle compared to the Samsung.
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Edge lit contrast ratio is FAR greater.
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By the way, I had a chance to see the new VIZIO M420NV 42" edge-lit LCD panel at Wal-Mart, of all places!

The cost is a reasonable US$928, and the picture quality is actually very good indeed. This is one model I make exception in regards to edge-lit LCD's, mostly because of the reasonable price.

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Fwiw, Costco has the Vizio M420NV for $799 thru July (Edit: thru August) 18.

I need to do more research as I do not understand the difference between Vizio's "RazorLED" (M420NV) Edge Lit LCD technology and the Samsung 42" LED tv that I saw at Magnolia AV's Roosevelt, Wa. store last night (I don't know the model number but the price was around $1200).

Is there a "true" or "full" LED TV (other than OLED)? My budget is $1500 max. and a 46 inch set would be the biggest that my room could take (42 inch would be ideal).

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Fwiw, Costco has the Vizio M420NV for $799 thru July 18.

I need to do more research as I do not understand the difference between Vizio's "RazorLED" (M420NV) Edge Lit LCD technology and the Samsung 42" LED tv that I saw at Magnolia AV's Roosevelt, Wa. store last night (I don't know the model number but the price was around $1200).

Is there a "true" or "full" LED TV (other than OLED)? My budget is $1500 max. and a 46 inch set would be the biggest that my room could take (42 inch would be ideal).

Back-Lit LED with local dimming is widely considered the best LCD technology, along with true 240 Hz Motion Blur Reduction.
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Edge lit contrast ratio is FAR greater.

No way. Edge lit LED TVs have abysmal blacks. A low end CCFL Sony will deliver amazing blacks in comparison.

You can get a 40" EX400 series for $650, and an EX500 series with 120Hz for $800. That's a huge amount of savings for what is essentially a better television, aside from the form factor.

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Back-Lit LED with local dimming is widely considered the best LCD technology, along with true 240 Hz Motion Blur Reduction.

Personal preference. Myself, I can't stand the whites that any LED produces. They look great in brightly lit rooms, but otherwise they just burn my eyes. They lack the ability to deliver decent contrast without pumping out a ridiculous amount of light. As a result, they don't look natural to me, and have a fluorescent shimmer to them.

As for the 120/240Hz frame interpolation...I have never liked it. I prefer dealing with frame stuttering over the unnatural motion resulting from the frame interpolation. This is also simply a personal preference.
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You can get a 40" EX400 series for $650, and an EX500 series with 120Hz for $800. That's a huge amount of savings for what is essentially a better television, aside from the form factor.

Thanks for the info. I just wanted to comment on pricing for the moment and Google Shopping shows the best price for the Sony EX500 to be $989 at either Best Buy or Walmart. If I could get it for $800 it would be a contender.

I am somewhat interested in the Panasonic TC-42LD24 that I saw at Costco today for $899. 42 inches is really all that I need and I like the dark grey bezel as opposed to black. It's an edge-lit model with 120 Hz. Any opinions?

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I'm buying my first HD TV. I would like a local dimming LED model, but I can't seem to find any in a size range of 40-42". .

Samsung 40C8000
Sony 40HX803

both edge lit with local dimming (limited but still local dimming)
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Curious: The U.S. Samsung website does not list a "UN40C8000" (I searched for that model #, less quotes).

The Sony KDL-HX803 is apparently a UK model (link is to Sony.co.uk).

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I consider edge-lit to be inferior to CCFL back-lighting. Sony 40 EX501 from Sams, BJs, Costco all come with 3 year warranty that can go to 4 years with many credit cards.

Edge-lit is only good for cosmetic reasons, i.e., thinner panel. Choosing form over function is only for those with serious cosmetic concerns.

I look at these tv all day long, edge lit led do have better p/q and better motion so that would make it a better tv. imho a better p/q is better p/q and who cares how you get it. CCFL are fine but you have to understand that the p/q is not as good as the LED.



Also, see that you are looking at the 40ex500 for a price around $800. look at vanns.com they sell it for $808.00
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Also, see that you are looking at the 40ex500 for a price around $800. look at vanns.com they sell it for $808.00

That's fine but Vann's is located in Montana and I am close to Seattle. Granted ground s&h is free but I don't want to take the risk of damage and then pay to return it. Not worth the potential hassle.

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