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This appears to be a new Vizio 47" model. I ran a search and there were no posts yet. Costco is now carrying it for a nice price.

Does anyone have any experience with this model yet? It looked great in the store. I might pick it up this weekend.



Here are the specs.


47" LCD HDTV MODEL NUMBER: E470VL Model Features:
1080p Full HD
100,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio
120Hz Refresh Rate
Digital Ambient Light Sensor
SRS TruSurround HD & SRS TruVolume
ENERGY STAR® 4.0


Viewable: 46.96" diagonal
Tuner: NTSC/ATSC/QAM
Native Panel Resolution: 1920 x 1080 pixels
Signal Compatibility: 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i
Colors: 1.06 Billion
Computer Support: 1920 x 1080, 1024 x 768, 800 x 600, 640 x 480 via RGB/HDMI
Dynamic Contrast Ratio: 100,000:1
Brightness: 500 cd/m2

Response Time: 5ms
Viewable Angle: 178/178 degrees (horizontal/vertical)
Pixel/Dot Pitch: 0.5415mm(H) x 0.5415mm(V)
SRS TruSurround HD: Yes
SRS TruVolume: Yes
SRS TruSurround XT: No



INPUTS (REAR)
HDMI with HDCP 3
RF Connector for Internal Tuner 1
Component YPbPr plus Stereo Audio: 1
S-Video:

Computer RGB: 1
Composite Video: 1

USB Ports:
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I've done some research and still not alot about this TV. It appears it is an "E" series which stands for Economical. 849.00

It will have all the basic features that a 2010 model should have without any of the bells and whistles (Internet Apps). I saw it again at Costco and it looked great. The only other model in the 46/47" range that looked good to me was a Sony kdl46hx701. The Sony had a glossy screen which made the screen really pop, though reflections were an issue. The 47" TV's that were LED didn't stand out above the regular LCDs so I dont think they are worth the extra money.

The frame of the TV has a picture frame like appearance.
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Saw the TV at costco, kept beside the LED LD model 472SV .... It was difficult to differentiate the 2, given the signal and the ambient lighting. The LD model was a little softer which could have been due to the settings.

For now, the new 47" with energy star 4 is looking decent. Waiting for reviews before I jump
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Anyone notice if Costco has the 42" version?
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Saw the 42" at Costco during my weekly grocery run this weekend ... along with a 42" razorled (edge) version. The 47" edge LED wasnt there though.
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This appears to be a new Vizio 47" model. I ran a search and there were no posts yet. Costco is now carrying it for a nice price.

Does anyone have any experience with this model yet? It looked great in the store. I might pick it up this weekend.



Here are the specs.


47" LCD HDTV MODEL NUMBER: E470VL Model Features:
1080p Full HD
100,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio
120Hz Refresh Rate
Digital Ambient Light Sensor
SRS TruSurround HD & SRS TruVolume
ENERGY STAR® 4.0


Viewable: 46.96" diagonal
Tuner: NTSC/ATSC/QAM
Native Panel Resolution: 1920 x 1080 pixels
Signal Compatibility: 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i
Colors: 1.06 Billion
Computer Support: 1920 x 1080, 1024 x 768, 800 x 600, 640 x 480 via RGB/HDMI
Dynamic Contrast Ratio: 100,000:1
Brightness: 500 cd/m2

Response Time: 5ms
Viewable Angle: 178/178 degrees (horizontal/vertical)
Pixel/Dot Pitch: 0.5415mm(H) x 0.5415mm(V)
SRS TruSurround HD: Yes
SRS TruVolume: Yes
SRS TruSurround XT: No



INPUTS (REAR)
HDMI with HDCP 3
RF Connector for Internal Tuner 1
Component YPbPr plus Stereo Audio: 1
S-Video:

Computer RGB: 1
Composite Video: 1

USB Ports:



I had a Sony Bravia 46" 120hz that I traded in for this tv. Smart move on my part. The 46" Sony Bravia 120 isn't a 120hz at all unless you turn on motion flow. And I wasn't too terribly impressed with "motion flow". Made the picture look too much like an analog video. Vizio's 120hz is native. Anyways, I traded it in for this Vizio and I couldn't be happier! I'm playing Red Dead Redemption on it right now and it's just amazing! And there's a plus... the Vizio E470VL is $130 cheaper than the above mentioned Sony Bravia!
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Saw the 42" at Costco during my weekly grocery run this weekend ... along with a 42" razorled (edge) version. The 47" edge LED wasnt there though.

Oops! Just got back from Costco. The models they carry are NOT the E470VL/E420VL. Rather, they have the E471VO/E421VO with 50,000:1 contrast ratio instead of 100,000:1.

Are you sure you saw the E420VL at Costco? Could it be that different Costcos are not getting the same models?

This also brings up the question, once again, of Dynamic Contrast Ratio. One would assume that 100,000:1 is better than 50,000:1, but given how the spec is arrived at, does it make any difference in actual viewing or, more particularly, better blacks? I'm tempted to get the model my local Costco is carrying, but then again . . . .

And why would Vizio play around with two "E" series sets that are so close in price?
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I took a photo of the tag with my phone so I would get the correct model.



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Oops! Just got back from Costco. The models they carry are NOT the E470VL/E420VL. Rather, they have the E471VO/E421VO with 50,000:1 contrast ratio instead of 100,000:1.

Are you sure you saw the E420VL at Costco? Could it be that different Costcos are not getting the same models?

This also brings up the question, once again, of Dynamic Contrast Ratio. One would assume that 100,000:1 is better than 50,000:1, but given how the spec is arrived at, does it make any difference in actual viewing or, more particularly, better blacks? I'm tempted to get the model my local Costco is carrying, but then again . . . .

And why would Vizio play around with two "E" series sets that are so close in price?

I tried to make sure it was VL and not VO. Dont have an image of the tag ....
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I took a photo of the tag with my phone so I would get the correct model.



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Well, that certainly answers the question. Thanks. Apparently Costco is getting differing models depending on store location.
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I tried to make sure it was VL and not VO. Dont have an image of the tag ....

I have another Costco nearby, so I'll check there. In the meantime, I found the E420VL on Target's website (for $799). Don't know if they're in the stores, but they can be returned there if ordered online. Target matches Costco's 90-day return policy.

Any way to change the title of this thread to include the 42" version?
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I updated the thread title to include all (3) Vizio E series 2010 LCDs. They have a 42, 47 and 55.

I updated the title but it doesn't reflect the change. Only when you click on the thread and view the first post can you see the updated title. How can I change it?
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I updated the thread title to include all (3) Vizio E series 2010 LCDs. They have a 42, 47 and 55.

I updated the title but it doesn't reflect the change. Only when you click on the thread and view the first post can you see the updated title. How can I change it?

I did a search for "change title" and came up with an answer to another inquiry: "Please use the REPORT POST option for the first post and request the title be changed. A moderator will then make the change for you."

I can't seem to find a "Report Post" option. Maybe I'm blind. (There is a "Contact Us" link at the bottom on this page.)
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Thanks for the information. The report post button is the red triangle button under the posters name. I send the request.
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Thanks for the information. The report post button is the red triangle button under the posters name. I send the request.

Wow. I've been lax in getting back here.

Congratulations on the thread's title change! Maybe we'll get some more posts about these new sets.

I'll get to Target this week to see if the E420VL is in their stores, not just online. Saving the shipping charges would be nice, although with Target you can return the merchandise to the store even if you ordered it online.

I'm disappointed in my local Costco for carrying only the 50,000:1 E421VO, but I have another location I can check. Don't know if their price for the E420VL would beat Target's.

What are you up to? Anything new to report? Sorry once again for not getting back here sooner.
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At risk of being out of order, I have to note that Costco's price on the E470VL is only fifty bucks more than Target's on the 42". Causes me to wonder what Costco's price would be on the 42.

Has anyone bought one of these sets yet? I am still unconvinced about LED for no particular reason, but I now see that discussions have popped up on the topic.

Another concern is that Vizio's stated 100,000:1 DCR might put them in the ballpark with Samsung and Sony and . . . flashlighting. Vizio has not had this problem in the past, however.
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My local Walmart now carries all (3) of these TVs (42, 47, 55"). Their price is a little higher than costco.

Costco also lowered the price of the 47" by $20 from my last post with the photo.
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My local Walmart now carries all (3) of these TVs (42, 47, 55"). Their price is a little higher than costco.

Costco also lowered the price of the 47" by $20 from my last post with the photo.

Am I correct to assume that you've put off a purchase? (I think you were about ready to buy one of these when you started the thread.) Are you considering alternatives?
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I decided a to go with a Sony KDL46HX701. I like the glossy screen. The Vizio's have matte screens.

I still think the Vizio 47" is great and would have purchased it if I had a room where reflections were an issue. At $829 the Vizio is a great purchase. I would recommend it to anyone.

I still may purchase the Vizio E320VL as I need a TV for my breakfast area. This room has several windows. So I'm still on board.
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I decided a to go with a Sony KDL46HX701. I like the glossy screen. The Vizio's have matte screens.

I still think the Vizio 47" is great and would have purchased it if I had a room where reflections were an issue. At $829 the Vizio is a great purchase. I would recommend it to anyone.

I still may purchase the Vizio E320VL as I need a TV for my breakfast area. This room has several windows. So I'm still on board.

My wife and I prefer matte screens because of room reflections. For watching movies in dark rooms, however, I agree that glossy is an advantage with blacks.

But the main reason I'm sticking with Vizio is because they're the only manufacturer that has a lip-sync adjustment in the user menu. I don't have an AVR, but an audiophile type of stereo system, so having the lip-sync adjustment in the TV is (at least to me) a necessity. Sony, Samsung, etc., disclaim responsibility for this issue and point to Blu-ray players, AVRs, or the broadcasters themselves. I'll have something more to say about this shortly, for I've made an interesting discovery.
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I just bought the E470VL today at Costco. I like the matte screen because of windows reflections where this TV will be located. I did a lot of comparison with others brands and liked the combination of picture quality and value this TV offered. So far the picture straight out of the box is very good. Outstanding energy efficiency for a 47" TV! My Kill-a-Watt meter shows a range of 70-90Watts (the rated value is 134Watts). Any suggestions on calibration values will be appreciated.
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Congrats on your purchase. Please post some photos!
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I just got the E421VA from Sam's for $678. It works great, except the PC audio that goes with the HDMI input #2 doesn't seem to work. Both HDMI and DVI from my mythtv pvr work on the HDMI inputs, but nothing on the pc audio plug. Anyone else having a problem with it? I called Vizio tech support and they want to replace it (or I can I return it to Sam's).
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Here is what the instruction manual says for your TV.

1. Turn off the power to the LCD HDTV and PC Computer.

2. Connect a 15-pin D-Sub RGB (VGA) cable to the RGB output of your pc computer and the
other end to the RGB PC input (blue area) at the rear of the LCD HDTV.

3. Using a 1/8 stereo cable, connect the Audio Out on your pc computer to the RGB PC Audio
input (blue area) at the rear of the LCD HDTV.

4. Turn on the power to the LCD HDTV and PC Computer.

5. Select RGB using the INPUT button on the remote or side of the LCD HDTV.


If this does not work I would return it to Sams and get a replacement.
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I went back to Sam's and the guy at the store suggested the same thing, so I went home and tried it. It worked. The picture was a little crazy (setup for a monitor) and the sound was really low, but it did work. But the vga connector has an analog signal, doesn't it? I bought a digital TV, so I thought it would be best to use it that way.

Page 17 of the owners manual shows "HDMI input #2" and the "PC audio input" paired together. It seemed perfect, but it didn't pick up the audio unless the vga was plugged in. Maybe I should just leave the cable plugged in.

But all of that aside...how do people do this? Is it usually a single HDMI cable or the two cable method? I read a bunch of posts about a video/audio sync problem associated with separate video and audio cables, so I assumed most did it that way.
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I went back to Sam's and the guy at the store suggested the same thing, so I went home and tried it. It worked. The picture was a little crazy (setup for a monitor) and the sound was really low, but it did work. But the vga connector has an analog signal, doesn't it? I bought a digital TV, so I thought it would be best to use it that way.

Page 17 of the owners manual shows "HDMI input #2" and the "PC audio input" paired together. It seemed perfect, but it didn't pick up the audio unless the vga was plugged in. Maybe I should just leave the cable plugged in.

But all of that aside...how do people do this? Is it usually a single HDMI cable or the two cable method? I read a bunch of posts about a video/audio sync problem associated with separate video and audio cables, so I assumed most did it that way.

I too will have a dvi to hdmi cable, bring audio across separately. Definitely the digital input should be cleaner, as you get exact pixel mapping, so it's worth pursuing the issue.

I was looking at a cheap (Proscan) monitor, and emailing the vendor, they said this very same thing would work. Kind of surprised it doesn't for you on this "better" TV (and maybe a dealbreaker for me if it doesn't) Have you tried turning the TV on first then the computer? Maybe the TV is not resetting the setting or something and/or there is some difference in your computer.

Anyone have any review of these yet? Banding, black levels, color accuracy?

Rich

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OK, you're not going to believe this solution; I have a pvr feeding the A/V signals into the Vizio TV. The pvr is actually a LInux-based system called MythTv (it's a great system). I just built this system, using all the latest hardware.

The video board I bought now supports encoding audio onto the HDMI, so it's kind-of new for this system. It turns out that the video board is detecting an audio capable Vizio TV and enabling the audio stream on the HDMI connector. Unfortunately the audio is not being encoded by the board driver (yet). There is an audio stream on the HDMI connector, but it has no content. The TV detects an active audio stream and uses it, but it's an empty stream, so I get no sound.

I had an old nvidia 8400gs video board, with DVI output, so I tried it and it worked. Page 17 of the manual was correct, everything works fine now. Sorry for the wild goose chase...go ahead and buy the Vizio unit, it works fine.

PS - Here's the mythtv thread
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Thanks for the clarification. Glad to see it works well. Please, post some photos if you can and possibly a review?

We are all waiting for a review on this new series.
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I just saw this unit yesterday and was very impressed. It was at Sam's for $808. I am seriously thinking about returning my recently purchased Pillips 40"...

240Hz Clear LCD
Pixel precise HD
Perfect Contrast
Perfect Natural Motion, 3/2 - 2/2 motion pull down
3D Combfilter
Active Control + Light sensor
Dynamic contrast enhancement
Progressive scan

I am a novice and posted these specs to see if y'all can offer some insight... not sure if I am going up, down or lateral in terms of spec's.

I am going up in terms of screen size however the picture is what caught my eye.

Thoughts?

OBTW... this is my first post, nice board!
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OK, you're not going to believe this solution; I have a pvr feeding the A/V signals into the Vizio TV. The pvr is actually a LInux-based system called MythTv (it's a great system). I just built this system, using all the latest hardware.

The video board I bought now supports encoding audio onto the HDMI, so it's kind-of new for this system. It turns out that the video board is detecting an audio capable Vizio TV and enabling the audio stream on the HDMI connector. Unfortunately the audio is not being encoded by the board driver (yet). There is an audio stream on the HDMI connector, but it has no content. The TV detects an active audio stream and uses it, but it's an empty stream, so I get no sound.

I had an old nvidia 8400gs video board, with DVI output, so I tried it and it worked. Page 17 of the manual was correct, everything works fine now. Sorry for the wild goose chase...go ahead and buy the Vizio unit, it works fine.

PS - Here's the mythtv thread
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/list...v/users/441508

Ahh, I decided to use Win7 instead of Linux on my HTPC/DVR build. Actually works VERY good. Seems every time I've loaded tried Linux, there has been "something" or some program that has caused me to go back to Microsoft. Linux always seems 99% there.....

But, to get back on topic, I drug my wife in to look at the Vizio yesterday (along with too many other PCs). She (and I) like the anti-glare screen.

If anyone has looked at blu-ray 1080P with the Vizio yet? I'm interested in any motion artifacts with film (24 Hz) material.

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