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My local best buy has the 46 bundle for 1699 and the 55 for 2199 until dec 11. Haven't seen prices lower than that for what's included.

As Maklar said, it was Best Buy. An unadvertised deal last week. Why it was a different deal than the one in their flyer ($1699 for TV and PS3 plus movie) But it rang up $1499 for all that and the Alice 3D kit. Who was I to argue? It is $1699 again this week without 3D kit.

Needless to say I am happy. There is some clouding, but it is only noticeable on a totally black screen. That being said, I do notice it at times.
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Probably best buy, that's the price they had going on until they sold out of the alice in wonderland bundle, now it just comes with the PS3. It was an unadvertised bundle.

The current bundle only advertises that PS3/GT5 bundle is included, however I can confirm that this week it will still work if you add in a 3D Starter Kit. It'll still package out to the same price.

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The current bundle only advertises that PS3/GT5 bundle is included, however I can confirm that this week it will still work if you add in a 3D Starter Kit. It'll still package out to the same price.

Come again? You saying you can select the current bundle, add the Alice 3D kit and it still comes in at the currently advertised price for the bundle only?
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Yup. BB currently advertises the HX800 packaged with a PS3 bundle (160GB PS3, Gran Turismo 5, Grown Ups on Blu-Ray) for a certain price ( I won't list the price here). Yesterday, out of curiosity, I queued up that same package on a register, but additionally added in the SKU for the 3D starter kit, and lo and behold, everything packaged out for the currently advertised price. So you get the HX8, PS3 Bundle, and the 3D kit for whatever price is currently in BB's ad. (Note: I did not try this on 46", but I'd assume it should work also)

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My local best buy has the 46 bundle for 1699 and the 55 for 2199 until dec 11. Haven't seen prices lower than that for what's included.

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Come again? You saying you can select the current bundle, add the Alice 3D kit and it still comes in at the currently advertised price for the bundle only?

Last week it came up $200 less than the advertised price. Sorry if prices are verboten here, so I shall leave them out from now on. But the advertised price, this week and last week, of the 46" HX800, PS3 bundle with GT5 and (bad) movie, was $200 more than what I paid for the same bundle plus the Alice 3D kit. I was not expecting the 3D kit, nor the $200 savings, but again, who was I to argue?

Stores around me are now out of the Alice kit though, so that bundle is not available.

I will get around to posting my settings. thanks again to amatot, Omar and Bruce for the guides. Mine right nwo are a bit different, but pretty similar.
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Yup. BB currently advertises the HX800 packaged with a PS3 bundle (160GB PS3, Gran Turismo 5, Grown Ups on Blu-Ray) for a certain price ( I won't list the price here). Yesterday, out of curiosity, I queued up that same package on a register, but additionally added in the SKU for the 3D starter kit, and lo and behold, everything packaged out for the currently advertised price. So you get the HX8, PS3 Bundle, and the 3D kit for whatever price is currently in BB's ad. (Note: I did not try this on 46", but I'd assume it should work also)

Just tried the 46" and the 55" - doesn't work.
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you tried it online or on a BB register? I definitely tried it out for a customer yesterday and the subtotal for all three items was the same as BB's advertised price. When I hit the "total" button, it listed the "SONY HX8/PS3/3D ALICE BUNDLE."

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you tried it online or on a BB register? I definitely tried it out for a customer yesterday and the subtotal for all three items was the same as BB's advertised price. When I hit the "total" button, it listed the "SONY HX8/PS3/3D ALICE BUNDLE."
Online.
Missed that register part.
You're a BB employee...ok, now I've got it.

Looks like the 40" idea gets sacked...I'm heading into BB tonite to check the 46".
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Probably a combination of all the factors, except your eyes. You are definitely seeing pixelation on fast pans. I have the same issue with the 46HX800 and don't notice any difference by changing the settings either. It's unfortunate that what you watch (hockey) is inherently filled with fast pans across crowds of people. Still, I'll take this occasional nuisance over the heat of a plasma any day. Not sure about the 55 but the 46 barely gets warm after hours of use. I too had an EX710 and the uniformity and flashlighting was terrible - returning it for the HX800 was the best thing I ever did.
Just got my 46HX800 and for the most part have been thrilled, but one thing I have notice in watching football is bothering me. When close-ups are shown, the picture is perfect, but when the zoomed out sideline view is shown (the angle shown right before each play) the picture is much less crisp - not sure if this is pixellation, but the picture is a little blurry at times. Any thoughts? Is this a weak cable signal? Has anyone else seen this?

For what it's worth, last night on NBC the game looked pretty good, but on ESPN the difference in picture based on camera angle has been significant.
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Just got my 46HX800 and for the most part have been thrilled, but one thing I have notice in watching football is bothering me. When close-ups are shown, the picture is perfect, but when the zoomed out sideline view is shown (the angle shown right before each play) the picture is much less crisp - not sure if this is pixellation, but the picture is a little blurry at times. Any thoughts? Is this a weak cable signal? Has anyone else seen this?

For what it's worth, last night on NBC the game looked pretty good, but on ESPN the difference in picture based on camera angle has been significant.
the source will play a big difference. Some supposely Hd channel will sometimes broadcast football games in 720p instead of 1080i. that might explain the blurrinest you are witnessing.
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the source will play a big difference. Some supposely Hd channel will sometimes broadcast football games in 720p instead of 1080i. that might explain the blurrinest you are witnessing.
Thanks for the response. I think ESPN does broadcast in 720p instead of 1080i, so maybe that explains it. I didn't realize it could make such a difference. I am watching Monday Night Football now and the picture really isn't that great, which is frustrating. I have Time Warner Cable, maybe I will have them come out and check my signal (thought I can't say that I have faith in that being productive)
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you tried it online or on a BB register? I definitely tried it out for a customer yesterday and the subtotal for all three items was the same as BB's advertised price. When I hit the "total" button, it listed the "SONY HX8/PS3/3D ALICE BUNDLE."
I cant find a local store to me that has both items (tv or the kit instock) at the same time. Is it possible to purchase the tv + ps3 and add the sku for the 3d kit and pickup the 3d kit when it comes in?


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I purchased the BB Sony HX8 (46")/PS3 bundle with the NSZ-GT1 for $100 more. Should I have gotten the 3D Alice Bundle also?
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I purchased the BB Sony HX8 (46")/PS3 bundle with the NSZ-GT1 for $100 more. Should I have gotten the 3D Alice Bundle also?

My understanding was the Alice 3D kit bundle was through Dec 4th (last Sat) or while supplies of the kits lasted. I checked online and no Best Buy in my area (Zip 20855) has the 3D kit. The deal was not advertised anywhere. When I went to swap out the NX800 I was not happy with for the HX800, I kept the PS3, game and movie from the NX bundle, and they gave me the 3D kit as well. I gave them an extra couple hundred bucks over the NX bundle.
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so are people getting the tv, ps3, gt5 grownups and the 3d starter kit for the current BB price? that would be a steal


in regards to the cable box setting, 720p and 1080i

i set my box to only 1080i, it says that on regardless which channel i put it on, SD or HD
should i have left it as is, where it goes and changes its settings by itself..i wasnt sure how that all works, thanks
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Very nice!

Thanks for posting these shots of the innards.

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I cant find a local store to me that has both items (tv or the kit instock) at the same time. Is it possible to purchase the tv + ps3 and add the sku for the 3d kit and pickup the 3d kit when it comes in?
Yes. The 3D Starter Kit is out of stock everywhere and on complete backorder, but the TV and PS3 Bundle are still widely available. We will set the 3D starter kit for in-store pickup so it can be added to your receipt for the package price, but you won't get a definite pickup date right now; you'll likely be told to check back for it in a week or two, but you WILL get yours eventually. There was an employee news posting from corporate today stating that they are "working closely with Sony" on fixing the shortage of the starter kit, and expect shipments of the kits to stores to resume between December 10-17, so you'd probably get your kit (I'd assume) somewhere around the 17th or a little later worst case scenario.

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Thank God for you guys.... I purchased the 55" with the ps3 bundle from BB on sat.. after reading about the 3d kit I went back and asked about it being included as well.. I was told it wasn't by the manager and after some prodding I got them to ring it up and to their amazement it packaged out. I got what seemed to be the last kit there. What a deal. Thanks again.
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Hey Guys, this is an awesome forum. Really appreciate all your input. I just got the 46hx800 with the bundle package two days ago, and yesterday I noticed some pretty bad clouding when firing up my new PS3. The clouding is not only in one place but in several spots ranging from the lower left to the middle of the tv. Is there a way to get rid of the clouding? Should I return it? And is there a certain serial # that has less clouding, and if so how do I know which one? By the way I was playing GT5 in 3d with the lights off and I noticed how much darker the screen looks with the glasses, as if i need to turn the brightness up. Is that normal? appreciate your help. Thanks
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Hey Guys, this is an awesome forum. Really appreciate all your input. I just got the 46hx800 with the bundle package two days ago, and yesterday I noticed some pretty bad clouding when firing up my new PS3. The clouding is not only in one place but in several spots ranging from the lower left to the middle of the tv. Is there a way to get rid of the clouding? Should I return it? And is there a certain serial # that has less clouding, and if so how do I know which one? By the way I was playing GT5 in 3d with the lights off and I noticed how much darker the screen looks with the glasses, as if i need to turn the brightness up. Is that normal? appreciate your help. Thanks

not much can be done with clouding. Returning it and hoping to get a set with less is pretty much what you can hope for. Reducing the backlight will help lesson the effect of clouding but it won't get rid of it.

It's normal that 3D looks darker. Usually though, the set shold crank up the backlit setting to compensate.
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I just purchased a KDL-55HX800. I love this set so far but I do have a calibration question.

I have calibrated brightness, contrast, gamma, greyscale, color, and between 30-40 ftL for my 100 IRE white point using ColorHCFR and an EyeOne LT meter.

I used and cross referenced the patterns from the DVE HD Basics blu-ray disk, the AVS 709 disk, and the new Disney WOW blu-ray disk.

So far as I can tell, I am pretty spot on. 100 IRE measures 35.7 ftL, average gamma is 2.24, and in ColorHCFR, all greyscale deltaE are below 3, except 0 and 10 IRE, but these are difficult for the meter to read accurately anyway.

FYI: my settings are here (although each set and environment is different so these settings may not be useful to anyone else):

Scene: Cinema
Backlight: 1
Picture: 99
Brightness: 50
Color: 51
Hue: R1
Color Temp: Warm2
Sharpness: 0
Gamma: -1
RBias: -9
GBias: 0
BBias: -3
RGain: -3
GGain: 0
BGain: -4

ALL optional settings such as Auto-contrast, Live Color, Cinemotion, etc. are off.

My question is about the LED Dynamic Control. From what I understand, this is their term for local dimming. I currently have this feature set to off. I had thought I could calibrate with this feature off and then enable it to enable local dimming in order to eliminate any clouding effects and get deeper black colors. However, if I set this feature to Standard, or even to Low, the gamma on my set cannot be obtained anywhere near 2.2. No matter how I set the television's gamma control from -2 to + 2, the closest I can get on the Disney WOW gamma chart is 1.7, which sucks. This feature completely screws up the gamma of my carefully calibrated set.

Has anyone else calibrated their set via instruments (not by eye and what "looks good") and enabled LED Dynamic Control? I would be curious to hear how this feature effects test patterns such as gamma charts after this feature was enabled.
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Hey Guys, this is an awesome forum. Really appreciate all your input. I just got the 46hx800 with the bundle package two days ago, and yesterday I noticed some pretty bad clouding when firing up my new PS3. The clouding is not only in one place but in several spots ranging from the lower left to the middle of the tv. Is there a way to get rid of the clouding? Should I return it? And is there a certain serial # that has less clouding, and if so how do I know which one? By the way I was playing GT5 in 3d with the lights off and I noticed how much darker the screen looks with the glasses, as if i need to turn the brightness up. Is that normal? appreciate your help. Thanks

The reasn its so dark is because in the 3d options the glasses brightness is probably set to "auto" and usually this setting is crap and keeps the screen very dark. Set glasses brightness to medium or high and it should be fine.


As for the clouding issue every panel is different so if you exchange it it might be better or worse. The best thing you can do is make sure local dimming is on standard and keep the backlight between 1-3. I would also suggest turning off the ambient light sensor as it makes the picture very dull to my eyes. Of course another path you can take is exchanging it for the 55"
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Yes. The 3D Starter Kit is out of stock everywhere and on complete backorder, but the TV and PS3 Bundle are still widely available. We will set the 3D starter kit for in-store pickup so it can be added to your receipt for the package price, but you won't get a definite pickup date right now; you'll likely be told to check back for it in a week or two, but you WILL get yours eventually. There was an employee news posting from corporate today stating that they are "working closely with Sony" on fixing the shortage of the starter kit, and expect shipments of the kits to stores to resume between December 10-17, so you'd probably get your kit (I'd assume) somewhere around the 17th or a little later worst case scenario.

Thanks!

I was able to find a local store that had the 3d kit in stock so I went ahead and purchased the 55" combo. This is upgrading a 55" GWIV... TV is getting delivered on Friday!


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@do-it-yourself wow bro kudos to you for tearing open the set like that! Why did you do it? I was also wondering if their is any indication as to what type of panel its using. My guess is a samsung spva panel but id just like to verify that. What size is that hx800?
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I just purchased a KDL-55HX800. I love this set so far but I do have a calibration question.

I have calibrated brightness, contrast, gamma, greyscale, color, and between 30-40 ftL for my 100 IRE white point using ColorHCFR and an EyeOne LT meter.

I used and cross referenced the patterns from the DVE HD Basics blu-ray disk, the AVS 709 disk, and the new Disney WOW blu-ray disk.

So far as I can tell, I am pretty spot on. 100 IRE measures 35.7 ftL, average gamma is 2.24, and in ColorHCFR, all greyscale deltaE are below 3, except 0 and 10 IRE, but these are difficult for the meter to read accurately anyway.

FYI: my settings are here (although each set and environment is different so these settings may not be useful to anyone else):

Scene: Cinema
Backlight: 1
Picture: 99
Brightness: 50
Color: 51
Hue: R1
Color Temp: Warm2
Sharpness: 0
Gamma: -1
RBias: -9
GBias: 0
BBias: -3
RGain: -3
GGain: 0
BGain: -4

ALL optional settings such as Auto-contrast, Live Color, Cinemotion, etc. are off.

My question is about the LED Dynamic Control. From what I understand, this is their term for local dimming. I currently have this feature set to off. I had thought I could calibrate with this feature off and then enable it to enable local dimming in order to eliminate any clouding effects and get deeper black colors. However, if I set this feature to Standard, or even to Low, the gamma on my set cannot be obtained anywhere near 2.2. No matter how I set the television's gamma control from -2 to + 2, the closest I can get on the Disney WOW gamma chart is 1.7, which sucks. This feature completely screws up the gamma of my carefully calibrated set.

Has anyone else calibrated their set via instruments (not by eye and what "looks good") and enabled LED Dynamic Control? I would be curious to hear how this feature effects test patterns such as gamma charts after this feature was enabled.

You should use dynamic led of Standard and were correct to do an initial cal with it off. Your problem is you've set the backlight too low. Bruce had his pro calibrated, I think they used 5, and a contrast of 75. I use 5 and 90 with the ambient light sensor on, the sensor drops the contrast automatically, I only have it that high to give the sensor headroom. If youre not using the sensor, the agreed gamma seems to be -1, if you are using it, I say stick with 0. These will get you to about 2.35 it seems. You don't want a gamma of 2.2 anyway, 2.4 is the gamma most commonly used in disc authoring.

If the wow disc is anything like the cal patterns included with some current Disney titles, it's not wow, it's woe. Woefully off base. They start with an incorrect black point and you have to do ridiculous contortions to work around it. Stick with the DVE blu ray.

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This thread is starting to remind me of the 60's.

Where is Lurch, Wilma or Betty or the infamous Dr. Smith?

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Hey Guys,

Thanks for your input on the clouding. I have my backlight on 5 and the clouding was noticeable in dark and black scenes. Viper, I wish I could get the 55 but I don't have the space. I'm thinking of just doing an exchange. I really appreciate your inputs. I'll let you guys know how the exchanged version is.
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You should use dynamic led of Standard and were correct to do an initial cal with it off. Your problem is you've set the backlight too low. Bruce had his pro calibrated, I think they used 5, and a contrast of 75. I use 5 and 90 with the ambient light sensor on, the sensor drops the contrast automatically, I only have it that high to give the sensor headroom. If youre not using the sensor, the agreed gamma seems to be -1, if you are using it, I say stick with 0. These will get you to about 2.35 it seems. You don't want a gamma of 2.2 anyway, 2.4 is the gamma most commonly used in disc authoring.

If the wow disc is anything like the cal patterns included with some current Disney titles, it's not wow, it's woe. Woefully off base. They start with an incorrect black point and you have to do ridiculous contortions to work around it. Stick with the DVE blu ray.

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Omar,

I originally had my backlight at 4 and with a lower contrast setting. Like my current settings, it was a combination that measured ~35 ftL on a 100 IRE window.

Even with that combination, I noted that my gamma was thrown way off with LED Dynamic Control enabled.

As far as the test patterns. I used DVE for all calibrations and only pop in the AVSHD 709 and Disney WOW to sanity check that my results are consistent.

(Actually, the Disney disk seems to have good reviews so far. It does not have the 5% step IRE windows required for grayscale calibration but the patterns that are there appear to be fairly accurate.

There is a AVS forum discussion comparing it with DVE.
../showthread.php?t=1287103 (sorry, can't post full URLs yet)

The main reason I used this disk in this case is it was only disk with an actual gamma chart, where I could watch the results as I toggled Dynamic LED off and on and then changed by gamma settings. I could see it getting nowhere near 2.2-2.5 range. I also verified this by measurement with ColorHFCR and my i1.

Another thing that bothered me is that with LED Dynamic control set to Standard or Low, I would see the entire display darker with low IRE patterns. For example, if I bring up a 15% IRE window in DVE, the pattern looks as it does with LED control off, then within a couple seconds, the entire display dims.

I think I understand how low light patterns will cause this since I assume LEDs are being shut off, but I cannot see how this does adversely affect picture accuracy. I have not tested BD video material for this yet, but can I assume that if I am watching a movie and a dark scene comes on, the entire panel will dim in order to present "more black" blacks? So any lower light detail also will dim?

I'm thinking that this is due to this being an edge lit LED panel where edge LEDs must be shut off, affecting far more broadly than the pixels that should be darkened. If this were pixel level dimming, this would probably be effective, but this is more like blocking off a set of LED flashlights scattered parallel to the viewing surface.

And yes, my ambient sensor is definately off.
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You should use dynamic led of Standard and were correct to do an initial cal with it off. Your problem is you've set the backlight too low. Bruce had his pro calibrated, I think they used 5, and a contrast of 75. I use 5 and 90 with the ambient light sensor on, the sensor drops the contrast automatically, I only have it that high to give the sensor headroom. If youre not using the sensor, the agreed gamma seems to be -1, if you are using it, I say stick with 0. These will get you to about 2.35 it seems. You don't want a gamma of 2.2 anyway, 2.4 is the gamma most commonly used in disc authoring.

If the wow disc is anything like the cal patterns included with some current Disney titles, it's not wow, it's woe. Woefully off base. They start with an incorrect black point and you have to do ridiculous contortions to work around it. Stick with the DVE blu ray.

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Hi Omar,

One quick question. I've got your settings for Bluray and DirectTV, as I haven't seen any others. I am using Amatot's for Comcast, which I have as well.

Anyway, I found with your settings that it was a little dark for my preference, so I bumped up the brightness by 2 notches. It looks pretty good, but a little hazy in some cases. I looked to try to increase the contrast a bit, but was surprised to not find such a setting. Is it buried somewhere?
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