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post #91 of 2897 Old 07-04-2010, 02:03 AM
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Quick update...
2. Blooming. Viewing from on-axis out to at least 30 degrees... I can't see any. If I set up a screen with menus, icons, etc. and move out to about 60 degrees then yes I can start to see some blooming. I'm talking black background and carefully located white text/icons. So I will say that blooming can be seen but I basically have to construct a situation to see it. I'm not going to keep setting up tough situations but since I do watch from off-axis a lot, I will report if I find "normal" content where the blooming becomes visible. Menu blooming way off-axis -- I personally don't care.

BTW, my main viewing position is about 7.5' from the 52HX909 so it's relatively easy to move a few seats over and be off-axis. (Versus a far back seating position.)

Hello!

when i see sonyinsider web site i check the Cnet review for Sony High-end HX90x series.
And i shoked when i see the blooming effect.

On the other hand, when you check best HDTVs choosen by Cnet's some of them graded as:

VT20/25 excellent
LE85000 excellent
but
HX909 very good

ok i understand VT is really good TV and it is right to grade as excellent
nothing else to say it.

but when you look at the LE8500, there is something wrong here.

Because LE8500 has horizontal banding issue from suffer FULL LED local dimming.And is realy horibble level that noticed by some users in europe and tester noticed it too.

you can check resources:

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so when we compare tvs which one is best HDTVs_?? Hx909 or LE8500

LE8500 does not deserve more than HX909

for me and as i see it from the queto i can say that HX909 must be better than LE8500.

PLS forgive me if i was rude or wrong

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Lot of extraneous posts, for what's supposed to be an owners thread.......

True I wish a mod would clean the thread up...
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Hello!


so when we compare tvs which one is best HDTVs_?? Hx909 or LE8500

LE8500 does not deserve more than HX909

for me and as i see it from the queto i can say that HX909 must be better than LE8500.

PLS forgive me if i was rude or wrong

regards

I think the 909 got downgraded to very good due to......Blooming, rising colors and bluish blacks. The LG8500 did not have these.
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Bluish blacks ??

"Black level: In the darkest areas of many scenes, the Sony XBR-52HX909 delivered a deeper shade of black than any of the other sets in our lineup aside from the Pioneer"

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I think the 909 got downgraded to very good due to......Blooming, rising colors and bluish blacks. The LG8500 did not have these.

but i think you miss one point.Horizontal banding,which has had by Lg LX9xx and LE 85xx.

Just for that issue i cannot grade LE8500 as excellent.

Cnet compromised equitalbe review with LE8500 and HX909


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Bluish blacks ??

"Black level: In the darkest areas of many scenes, the Sony XBR-52HX909 delivered a deeper shade of black than any of the other sets in our lineup aside from the Pioneer"

i agree with it.

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1. Increasing resolution is not a gimmick, wearing glasses to watch TV is. I don't know of many more hard core hockey and soccer fans than me, but even if they paid me to watch it in 3D with glasses, I'd switch back to 2D. True fans don't care about how it looks, they care about the sport. Plus, what do you do if you already wear glasses? Use both? How do you host a Superbowl party, buy 10 pairs of $200 glasses or ask everyone to bring their own? It's a gimmick until they come out with 3D TVs without glasses.

A gimmick is a feature that doesnt add any real functionality. Having to wear the glasses is the only way to get stereoscopic 3D, therefore the glasses arent a gimmick, they're just inconvenient. Unless of course you think 3D is just a gimmick.
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A gimmick is a feature that doesnt add any real functionality. Having to wear the glasses is the only way to get stereoscopic 3D, therefore the glasses arent a gimmick, they're just inconvenient. Unless of course you think 3D is just a gimmick.

I agree, watching 3D with the glasses is not the most convenient thing but it is going to be a while till we see 3D w/out the glasses anyway.
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Also the 52HX909 is down to $3599 with 2 free pairs of glasses, emitter, 2 3D Blu Rays and 4 PS3 3D games at Sony Style.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...0151&langId=-1
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Bluish blacks ??

"Black level: In the darkest areas of many scenes, the Sony XBR-52HX909 delivered a deeper shade of black than any of the other sets in our lineup aside from the Pioneer"

From CNET...

The bad: Extremely expensive; exhibits more blooming than competing local dimming LED models; black areas tinged bluer; subpar off-angle viewing; 3D exhibited ghost images along edges (crosstalk); does not include 3D glasses or IR emitter
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I am new the whole HDTV scene, can someone explain to me why so much importance is given to CNET reviews?
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Hi Blankslate,

can you comment on any PIP function and how does it work.

thanks,

On the sonystyle site, looks like it has PIP which is for viewing a PC input in a sub window. Not P&P which is for viewing the cable/ant feed and another input side by side.

I don't understand why Sony does this.... no sale for me.

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So is this "owners' thread" still singular?

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I am new the whole HDTV scene, can someone explain to me why so much importance is given to CNET reviews?

In terms of this model, it's only because they're first. However, from the looks of things on this board, CNET isn't valued that highly by the majority -- while being overvalued by some -- but they seem to be good for quoting if they write exactly what you want to read. Otherwise they don't seem to be taken very seriously here.
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I am new the whole HDTV scene, can someone explain to me why so much importance is given to CNET reviews?

Because most people don't know any better. They are a small step above Consumer Reports. Unfortunately it is very hard to find objective reviews from any site or publication. CNET reviewers seem to let their personal biases show more than some others. You also have to follow the money. If a site or publication is taking advertising dollars from a manufacturer you will rarely find a bad product review.

Best to view a TV with your own eyes to see what makes you happy.

Read as many reviews as you can prior to making your purchase but the bottom line is getting what you like no matter what the reviews say.

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Agreed. This is the HX909 owners thread, not yet another place to discuss the in's and out's of Plasma vs LCD or any other subject not directly related to this TV.

Why did you intend to make owners bold? If this is only an owners thread. The 90% of the people in here shouldn't be in here to begin with.
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Why did you intend to make owners bold? If this is only an owners thread. The 90% of the people in here shouldn't be in here to begin with.

Perhaps the non-owners can ask questions of the owners about their experiences as part of the research prior to viewing and making a purchasing decision. Then we could eliminate a lot of the wild speculation that seems to take place in the thread.

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My friend purchased and by the look of it after a few games and watching movies it sure is a nice model. the black level is real good and the video processing is good. makes everything look beautiful but don't have the local dimmer no higher than standard and my friend has it on low and the black level looks good.
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So, good, then?

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Meh. I'd say the 3D is great and the glasses feel better then any other set out there. Other then that. I'm kinda disappointed in this set.
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Meh. I'd say the 3D is great and the glasses feel better then any other set out there. Other then that. I'm kinda disappointed in this set.

Where have you seen the 909?
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he works at best buy

So best buy now has the 909 in some stores?
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Meh. I'd say the 3D is great and the glasses feel better then any other set out there. Other then that. I'm kinda disappointed in this set.

I mean everybody has their opinion but seeing it at a store is not the same as having it in your home actually playing your games and movies and messing with the settings to your liking.
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I wonder why this set would be so much cheaper than the XBR8? Is RGB LED's really that much more expensive and make such a difference compared to white LEDs? Seeing that black levels on the HX909 are better than the XBR8 my guess is that it does have more dimming zones yet still so much cheaper...

My WAG: Normal price erosion on electronic products and (the main reason) the XBR8's were RGB and the LEDs were installed by hand. Using white LED and figuring out the manufacturing process of full array LED is my guess.

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so best buy now has the 909 in some stores?

??????????????.:d

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So best buy now has the 909 in some stores?

We had a Sony Rep in our store last week(Sunday) showing of the latest and greatest about Sony. How to use there products as well as full demonstration of the products. We were not selling the tv(at the time) but we did have one in the back. We took 2 sets out to mess around with. The Sony NX800 and HX909. Learned many things from them. And personally. I believe that Sony seemed to have the best 3D effect out there. From what I learned. 3D is going to be driven by gaming. That's going to become its main selling point. Oh. And I was also correct on why they made the HX909 a 52 inch. Price point. Its much more money to make the 909 then it is the 800. (Clearly) And they just wanted to be able to make it affordable. Just at 52 inches the 909 has a steep price point. I can only imagine how much more a 55 or even 60 would cost. Your average person wouldn't buy it.
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We had a Sony Rep in our store last week(Sunday) showing of the latest and greatest about Sony. How to use there products as well as full demonstration of the products. We were not selling the tv(at the time) but we did have one in the back. We took 2 sets out to mess around with. The Sony NX800 and HX909. Learned many things from them. And personally. I believe that Sony seemed to have the best 3D effect out there. From what I learned. 3D is going to be driven by gaming. That's going to become its main selling point. Oh. And I was also correct on why they made the HX909 a 52 inch. Price point. Its much more money to make the 909 then it is the 800. (Clearly) And they just wanted to be able to make it affordable. Just at 52 inches the 909 has a steep price point. I can only imagine how much more a 55 or even 60 would cost. Your average person wouldn't buy it.

Not in Magnolia stores for sale in San Diego or Denver. Not available on Sony Style. Not available to order by independent dealers, but in the backroom of a BestBuy is a 46HX909?.

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Not in Magnolia stores for sale in San Diego or Denver. Not available on Sony Style. Not available to order by independent dealers, but in the backroom of a BestBuy is a 46HX909?.

Each set was a 50+ Nx800 was a 55 and 909 was 52. As I said. We only had 1 in the back and it was only taken out for the use of the Sony Rep. I took as many pics as I could with my phone. They are crappy quality but they are better then nothing.
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From what I am reading in a flyer sony put in the paper the HX900, HX909, and LX900 are all edge lit units correct?

Nope.
The HX900 & HX909 are full LED backlit with local dimming.
The HX800-series on the other hand is edge-lit.

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Our Sonystyle at Somerset Mall in Troy, MI has had the HX909 for a few weeks and I did my feedback review about a week ago, they had no notice when they'd receive the LX900 though. I was at one of our BB's and they had a SonyStyle Rep on hand to demo the new panel Sunday but he lacked a panel to demo to consumers - didn't make a lot of sense that Sony is sending our Demo personnel and then lack their 3D Demo's panels to showcase.

At a different BB last week I observed Panasonic, Samsung, LG 3D Demo's and they had a nice BIG Samsung 65" C6500 next to a 55" and it's amazing how much that 10" provides when side by side. The other BB had only one Demo being shown - Panny and again checked it out and it is a very good 3D panel just too dim for my tastes and it's whites to dull but I must admit they've somehow made that 3D panel much more anti-reflective than any plasma I've seen in fact it seemed like they made the surface more like a matte LCD whereas when I view other Panny Plasma's they are mirror like.

Despite whatever CNet thinks I quite enjoyed the Sony 3D Demo's and I buy an HX909 if it were at least 60"+ but at 52" it's not a consideration to ever go smaller in my primary viewing room, hopefully the LX900 is close cousin but if not the 65" Samsung C8000 should arrive within the next month. Need to have a 3D demo that's real content instead of the Monsters Demo to decide between Sony/Samsung - so far Sony 3D was better to my eyes.
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