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post #1 of 2895 Old 06-30-2010, 12:11 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi all. Lots of talk, expectations, speculation about this unit. Let's put HX praise, reviews, gripes, observations, calibration settings, etc. in a thread here, away from the massive "2010 Bravia" thread.

So I just received my 52HX909, replacing a 60NX800 that I had for a month. The sticker says it was manufactured in June 2010. Minty fresh.

I have it in a very bright room with floor-to-ceiling windows. In my first couple of hours, I can make a few positive observations:
1. Reflections are significantly darker and less distracting than the NX series
2. Reflections are not doubled as they are in the NX series (due to Opticontrast resin)
3. Off-axis viewing is better than the NX series

Non PQ observations:
1. I can see ribbon connectors through the top of the chassis in the back, likely feeding the matrix or columns of backlighting. Through the same grille in the back, I can also see several columns of white LEDs themselves.
2. The power cord is surprisingly thin, compared to the NX cord and has a non-polarized "electric razor" style end as opposed to the appliance or computer PSU style end.
3. I'm not hearing the plastic warm-up cool-down cracking (yet?) as I did on the NX. It never actually bothered me on the NX, but I see some people here talking about it.
4. The stand swivels (unlike the 60NX800). I suppose it will fit in a slotted metal Sony Bunchin stand (I've seen photos) but SonyStyle isn't currently saying so explicitly.

Not news to anyone following this TV's release but the first real English review appears to be CNET:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33943224.html
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GREAT!!!

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I was interested in why the stand was not listed on sonystyle web site as a accessory for the Hx909, but as the link below shows....it is listed on sony site if you search for it........weird!!!


http://www.sony.lv/product/tpa-tv-st...pe=Compatibles
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Pics, please....
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I was interested in why the stand was not listed on sonystyle web site as a accessory for the Hx909, but as the link below shows....it is listed on sony site if you search for it........weird!!!

http://www.sony.lv/product/tpa-tv-st...pe=Compatibles

Just a delay for accessories, I guess. Japanese resellers list it also.


http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/telaffy/su-52hx1.html
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1. I can see ribbon connectors through the top of the chassis in the back, likely feeding the matrix or columns of backlighting. Through the same grille in the back, I can also see several columns of white LEDs themselves.

Interesting. Do you notice any light bleed from the back? Or is it just the back of the LEDs?

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2. The power cord is surprisingly thin, compared to the NX cord and has a non-polarized "electric razor" style end as opposed to the appliance or computer PSU style end.

Detachable?
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Excellent - congrats! Looking forward to more feedback!
On a side note - it's a pleasant surprise if that cool stand is available for HX909 - I would totally get one!
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You lucky devil

Just found at that we might be looking at mid September before they are available to purchase in the UK
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Interesting. Do you notice any light bleed from the back? Or is it just the back of the LEDs?

Good question. I'll know tonight. I seriously doubt light will bleed from the back -- I'm just being snoopy and looking down inside grilles for clues as to arrangement, etc.

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Detachable?

Yup.
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That's good news on the off axis viewing.
Also, I too found the screen managed reflections really well.
On the optional stand, while I thought it looked cool in all the pics, seeing it in person I felt it was a bit overbearing and out of proportion to the screen. JMO there of course.

Knowing the 'go-to' non tweaked settings for initial viewing from the NX, how does the picture clarity compare (with media you are familiar with)?
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So...why didn't you take the day off just to answer picky questions from all of us 909 candle holders?
I can't understand it
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A few quick camera phone pics.

Out-of-the-box color.


Sony calls it an XBR. We'll see...


There's that odd RS-232 "wart", apparently distinguishing the HX-900 (Japan & elsewhere?) from the HX-909. I do intend to use it, rather than IR blast.


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Which input is that HDMI cable sticking out of the side in the first picture?
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Which input is that HDMI cable sticking out of the side in the first picture?

That's HDMI 2.
1 & 4 are on the back.
2 & 3 are on the side.
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Macro shot of 52HX909 pixel layout. For you pixel/panel analysis nerds.
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Macro shot of 52HX909 pixel layout. For you pixel/panel analysis nerds.

OMG OMG OMG...
I don't know what pixel structure that is...
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Looks like UV2A to me.
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I wait for more reports on pic quality. Can you manage out some blooming? only from side-angles?
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That out of box color for the game doesn't look half bad. Was it pretty heavy? Two person deal?

Oh, what bluray shall you watch first? I'd go for Star Trek, meself...

If I wasn't into home theater, I'd have a whole lotta money.
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The European version is the same of American version?
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If you can report on the input lag, I would be incredibly grateful.
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Quick update...

1. Opticontrast. It's just sinking in how good this tech is.

Remember I had a 60NX800 for a month (monolithic, glossy, but no Opticontrast). The reflections were prominent but I can say I got used to them and could probably live with them. This is in a large room with white, reflective walls, and a wall of floor-to-ceiling windows next to and behind the TV.

But the HX909, wow, after just a few hours of dedicated watching really does seem to bring the best of both worlds. By that, I mean I get the incredibly deep blacks that glossy screens give (in ideal conditions), but the reflections are heavily darkened even in a well lit room with distractions behind me. I can definitely see the reflections when I look for them but they are much, much darker than on the NX. Previously, I could see the difference between a white wall and a wood panel in the NX reflection. Now, with the HX, they're reduced to about the same level of non-objectionable brightness in the screen when the room is well lit, even now in day time. And there's no smear/spread of contrast-killing grey that a matte screen gives in a bright room. I have matte screens to compare to and while I questioned glossy with the NX (good, but not sure), I am glad I have a glossy screen now with this resin filling the air gap between glass and panel.

And I'm very glad that the Opticontrast completely eliminates the "double reflection" issue you see in the monolithic Sonys without Opticontrast. That struck me as just being "weird", noticable with the TV on or off. Now it's simply a dark mirror with single reflections.

2. Blooming. Viewing from on-axis out to at least 30 degrees... I can't see any. If I set up a screen with menus, icons, etc. and move out to about 60 degrees then yes I can start to see some blooming. I'm talking black background and carefully located white text/icons. So I will say that blooming can be seen but I basically have to construct a situation to see it. I'm not going to keep setting up tough situations but since I do watch from off-axis a lot, I will report if I find "normal" content where the blooming becomes visible. Menu blooming way off-axis -- I personally don't care.

BTW, my main viewing position is about 7.5' from the 52HX909 so it's relatively easy to move a few seats over and be off-axis. (Versus a far back seating position.)
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Wow great news.
Keep it coming
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If you can report on the input lag, I would be incredibly grateful.

Yes, and try the 'Game' mode. The visuals will be downgraded but it should give the best performance.

One day at a time...
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blankslate, please report if you see any flashlights or clouds, thanks!
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blankslate, please report if you see any flashlights or clouds, thanks!

Even Cnet didn't mention Flashlighting or clouds so I doubt that these problems are present
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I hope so!
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Also remember this is a " Backlit unit as opposed to a "Edgelit unit- backlit units dont suffer from Flashlight defects.
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This was one of the tvs I was considering as my new living room set but I don't like the fact that the cnet review said this tv has a lot of crosstalk in 3D. It sounds like the best option PQ wise as far as both 2D and 3D is the Panasonic VT25 plasma.

Input lag test results on the 52A750

"Maybe the input lag on this set matches the lag in your head therefore you don't perceive it".
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This was one of the tvs I was considering as my new living room set but I don't like the fact that the cnet review said this tv has a lot of crosstalk in 3D. It sounds like the best option PQ wise as far as both 2D and 3D is the Panasonic VT25 plasma.

LCD's struggle with 3D and it will take a year or two to iron out the wrinkles. When choosing a 3DTV you really need to weigh the pros and cons of each display tech, room, and lighting. You're not going to find a perfect 3DTV this year*, but the HX909 appears to be the most balanced of all the 3D LCD panels at this time.

*If you're not interested in 3D at all, a 2010 model may not even be the best choice.
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