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I just saw THIS from Bose.

Isn't Mitsubishi doing this better already with there LCD's with the built in soundbar?

no specs for the audio (no suprise bose never posts audio specs) but also no specs for the video, it's 1080p and has a controle box but nothing about frame rate or contrast ratio.

I hope it's good, still i'll never get one.

Picture without sound is surveillance.
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Thanks for posting that m-heat,,,,, very entertaining !!!!

And yes, you are correct,,, Mitsubishi has been doing the Unisen panels with built-in soundbars for a few years now,,,, and those Mits LCD's sound AMAZING to say the least,,, as I recall Martin Logen makes the soundbar for Mits.

The 55" Mits with built-in soundbar sells for around $2,200.00,,, the Bose 46" TV sells for $5,349.00,,,WOW !!!!!!

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I just saw THIS from Bose.

Isn't Mitsubishi doing this better already with there LCD's with the built in soundbar?

no specs for the audio (no suprise bose never posts audio specs) but also no specs for the video, it's 1080p and has a controle box but nothing about frame rate or contrast ratio.

I hope it's good, still i'll never get one.

It looks weird, I had Bose Speakers years ago.

Bose is too expensive and over-rated.
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More info. on this TV and a video from CNET:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...ag=epicStories
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BOSE tv for 5k

hahahahahahahaha

lol
lol


$5,349.00 REALLY?

the point of this TV is ease of use/installation/less clutter right? for less than that price you could buy a high end LED+flush in wall speakers painted+installation from an installer

this thing makes no sense


I would be curious who is making there panel though(unless they are making there own?)
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Let's do the math.

Samsung 46c6900 - $1500
deftech sounbar and sub -$1200
denon AVR-391 $350
Samsung bluray bdp6500 is $220
Harmony remote $100
Hdmi cables, subwoofer cables, speaker wire -$100

=$3570... ya

Picture without sound is surveillance.
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And yes, you are correct,,, Mitsubishi has been doing the Unisen panels with built-in soundbars for a few years now,,,, and those Mits LCD's sound AMAZING to say the least,,, as I recall Martin Logen makes the soundbar for Mits.

Mitsubishi will say that. Infact the tech they use was based on some work done with ML early on but ML does not produce there speakers for them.

I know because I'm a part of the MartinLoganUniversity a tech site ML setup for dealers. That was a hot topic a while ago.

BTW did you know they just moved there factory to Canada? They are now build in the same facility as Paradigm.

Picture without sound is surveillance.
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This is a time warp tv taking us back to prices of 2005. BOSE doesn't impress me I've had in my last three vehicles and I even told the Infinity Dealer that they should really move away from BOSE as it's truly not high end or luxury sound and it can't touch the Harmon Kardon I had in my BMW. What a waste of sound for such a PUNY HT TV - even on a 55" that price would be assinine!

DAVYO is correct - get the Mitsubishi if need built-in sound.

Samsung 65F8000, 60D8000, 40HU6350, Panasonic 50E60 LCD's
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Bose + clever marketing + uninformed public = $$$$$$ (for Bose )
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Blose - LOL. Great marketing co and not much else, but having "Great" and "Bose" in the same sentence might be a real stretch in it’s own right. I wonder if the panel is made up from recycled PVC Pipe-I mean their acoustic wave mass technology.

I'm amazed how may people get sucked into paying good $$$, for what is essentially the marking of fancy tech names for junk.
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Bose TV...rebranded dynex or insignia?
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Bose...trying to be something they're not! lol!
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Over 5 kilobucks? BOSE has always been for those folks with more dollars than sense...
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I am left speechless with this development.
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Oh Great,

Now we get a "better television through marketing".
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I thought it was funny the e-mail header said:
"The best entertainment system we know how to build"

And I thought "so true"

Picture without sound is surveillance.
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I want one

but then again, what if i broke the remote ??


NAH !!, ill just get an L1 with a B1.
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You guys have no idea how high Bose customer loyalty/satisfaction is. Higher than Apple, IBM, and lots of others. Unfortunately, I don't have the chart anymore, but I was surprised to see Bose head and shoulders above any other company. The Bose radio has been a steady seller for years, and relatively modest Bose speakers are surprisingly good selling. Look up the 201 and 301. Bose sells a lot of these speakers. People also don't realize that Bose makes gear for the US military, including noise cancelling headphones for those who have to work around super noisy jets and other aircraft. The $1,100 Bose A20 Aviation headset is a civilian version of what Bose makes for the military. Noise cancelling headphones are also used in some very noisy military land vehicles. How loud do you think it is inside an M1A1 Abrams tank with the gas turbine engine running constantly? How loud do you think the 120 MM main cannon is when they fire a 3 foot long enriched uranium tipped armor piercing round?

Bose has also had a successful commercial sound reinforcement system for many years.

As far as the sound system in TVs, the Mitsubishi Unisen was rated no higher than other TVs with built in speakers, in professonal testing.

On the othe hand, I would love to have the 13 speakers in the Bose TV, using 6 long excursion bass drivers in a wave-guide should beat any built in speakers in any flat panel, easily surpassing Mitsubishi.

Certainly the price of the TV is high, and Bose will target its traditional market: those well-off individuals who put a premium on ease of use, neatness, good performance. The console can be put out of sight and all connections made to it, instead of trying to hide wires.

It is surpising how well the Bose Lifestyle (AMT) series sell.

In short, it is easy to criticize Bose, but they are a wildly successful company.

I would not buy the Bose TV, but those making over $200,000 per year will consider it if they get a demonstration, and you can bet that Bose will make every effort to show the TV off to its best advantage in their Bose stores.
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I have to say this is a pretty damn good review. I am interested is hearing what this is like in a couple of weeks:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...ds-on-preview/
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You guys have no idea how high Bose customer loyalty/satisfaction is. Higher than Apple, IBM, and lots of others. Unfortunately, I don't have the chart anymore, but I was surprised to see Bose head and shoulders above any other company. The Bose radio has been a steady seller for years, and relatively modest Bose speakers are surprisingly good selling. Look up the 201 and 301. Bose sells a lot of these speakers. People also don't realize that Bose makes gear for the US military, including noise cancelling headphones for those who have to work around super noisy jets and other aircraft. The $1,100 Bose A20 Aviation headset is a civilian version of what Bose makes for the military. Noise cancelling headphones are also used in some very noisy military land vehicles. How loud do you think it is inside an M1A1 Abrams tank with the gas turbine engine running constantly? How loud do you think the 120 MM main cannon is when they fire a 3 foot long enriched uranium tipped armor piercing round?

Bose has also had a successful commercial sound reinforcement system for many years.

As far as the sound system in TVs, the Mitsubishi Unisen was rated no higher than other TVs with built in speakers, in professonal testing.

On the othe hand, I would love to have the 13 speakers in the Bose TV, using 6 long excursion bass drivers in a wave-guide should beat any built in speakers in any flat panel, easily surpassing Mitsubishi.

Certainly the price of the TV is high, and Bose will target its traditional market: those well-off individuals who put a premium on ease of use, neatness, good performance. The console can be put out of sight and all connections made to it, instead of trying to hide wires.

It is surpising how well the Bose Lifestyle (AMT) series sell.

In short, it is easy to criticize Bose, but they are a wildly successful company.

I would not buy the Bose TV, but those making over $200,000 per year will consider it if they get a demonstration, and you can bet that Bose will make every effort to show the TV off to its best advantage in their Bose stores.

Regarding the Noise Canceling Headphones, you've failed to mention how the US Military dropped the BOSE headphones because they failed under their testing.
Though, I guess I shouldn't be pointing fingers at ONLY BOSE, because most equipment would still fail military specifications.

On a consumer side, BOSE is successful. Unfortunately it's a popular misconception that BOSE is an "audiophile" kind-of-equipment, in which it is FAR from.

Every line of the BOSE speakers, including their top-of-the-line, are not even THX certified. They are automatically rejected from THX testings because of one obvious thing - using inferior materials and charging a premium for them.

Clutter of such matter will not make me, regardless of how much money my pocket contains, buy a 46" BOSE television @ 5k+ in hopes of saving space.
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LOL Bose? What are they going to do, make a 480p TV and sell it as Bose "WaveVision" or some crap? Try to tell you it's better than 1080p too, I'm sure. hahahaha Blose--what a laugh.
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See my signature. Also I think Blose needs a new slogan now that they are doing display devices as well as speakers.

No highs, no lows, must be Blose!
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Bose NC headphones are fairly quiet, but they boost the bass out of the box to sound punchy so the average consumer feels they're getting better bass response . And they're too expensive for what you really get.
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I must say, I am very intrigued. Not by the tv, which I'm sure is nothing special, but by their new take on virtual surround. It does sound convincing:

http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/arti...2369825,00.asp
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That price is redonculous.

I had a salesman at SEARS try to sell me a Bose sound system the other day. I was like "Really?". I then proceeded to point to the $100 Sony speakers and said "Those are the one's I'm looking for. Those will sound better than the Bose" and he agreed with me. He is just supposed to try and sell the Bose because of the markup. Once he figured out that I knew a little something about the HT industry he stopped trying to sell to me and we had a nice conversation. He knew his stuff, he just thought he was dealing with yet another uninformed customer who had heard that Bose was The Business.

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I must say, I am very intrigued. Not by the tv, which I'm sure is nothing special, but by their new take on virtual surround. It does sound convincing:

http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/arti...2369825,00.asp


Sorry .. the article starts with "Bose has long been known as a high-end audio company" ... That is enough to question the author's knowledge of high end audio.

Bose is neither hi-fi (as in hi fidelity. Their speakers have a bad frequence response curve) - nor is Bose hi-end audio - like say B&W or Dynaudio or Revel. Bose is not in the same league - nor do they really compete at that level.

Bose has made its fortune by marketing low/mid fi products made cheaply and sold at a high markup - thanks to efficient marketing and targeting the uninformed but well-off people.

What Bose does audio wise is gimmicks and based on their corporate culture - one cannot expect anything else from them.

As the saying goes - No highs - No lows - So it must be Bose. Maybe they will provide some other similar overpriced junk for TV.
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Easier to forgive if we remember the Samsung-Armani TV 2 years ago
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Sorry .. the article starts with "Bose has long been known as a high-end audio company" ... That is enough to question the author's knowledge of high end audio.

Bose is neither hi-fi (as in hi fidelity. Their speakers have a bad frequence response curve) - nor is Bose hi-end audio - like say B&W or Dynaudio or Revel. Bose is not in the same league - nor do they really compete at that level.

Bose has made its fortune by marketing low/mid fi products made cheaply and sold at a high markup - thanks to efficient marketing and targeting the uninformed but well-off people.

What Bose does audio wise is gimmicks and based on their corporate culture - one cannot expect anything else from them.

As the saying goes - No highs - No lows - So it must be Bose. Maybe they will provide some other similar overpriced junk for TV.

The price of the TV is one thing. The performance of the sound system built into the TV is something else. It is a big step up from anything out there, including the widely misconceived Mitsubishi Unisen which does not deliver the goods.

What Bose does audio wise is sell a lot of radios, and sub/sat systems to people who are not audiophiles and like the looks and sound of Bose and don't have to worry about price. The sound system in the TV, per the review, is exactly what I would have hoped for. Very good sound quality along with a decent surround effect. People who would consider a Yamaha soundbar for between $1,000 and $2,000 would do well to check out the Bose TV for its sound quality and go from there.
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People who would consider a Yamaha soundbar for between $1,000 and $2,000 would do well to check out the Bose TV for its sound quality and go from there.

Yeah, just stick the BOSE behind a decent TV and there you have it...
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Let's do the math.

Samsung 46c6900 - $1500
deftech sounbar and sub -$1200
denon AVR-391 $350
Samsung bluray bdp6500 is $220
Harmony remote $100
Hdmi cables, subwoofer cables, speaker wire -$100

=$3570... ya

Let's see for me:

Sony KDL-40EX500 40" 120 Hz LCD panel - US$798
Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray player - US$160
Bose Cinemate II speakers (factory refurbished) -- US$450
Speaker stands for Cinemate II satellite speakers -- US$99
TiVo HD XL DVR -- US$430
Wi-Fi adapter for TiVo HD XL -- US$35

US$1,972. Definitely WAY cheaper than Bose's new TV!

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