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post #1 of 25 Old 10-10-2010, 04:12 PM - Thread Starter
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This is my first post and other posts have given me an idea of what models to look for but I figured it'd be best if I got opinions based on my personal needs.

Viewing distance = 4.5-5 feet.

I'm stuck between 3 TVs - All in the same price range and all 1080p.

Panasonic 37U22 - 37"
LG 37LD450 - 37"
Sony 32EX400 - 32"


Picture Quality is a huge factor for me, probably the biggest factor of them all. I'm not sure if there are some minor details in the image that will not be seen at 32" (1080p) but are visible at 37" (1080p) ,so clarification of that would be appreciated. Based on the actual image quality I'd expect the Sony to be the frontrunner (based on customer reviews and well, the Sony brand name) but it's a 32" so I'd much rather get the Panasonic or LG if the contrast/sharpness/overall image quality is basically equal or almost on par with the Sony. I want the most vibrant and crisp display I can get, and I'd be willing to sacrifice the extra 5 inches if the PQ of the Sony is on a totally different (higher) level than the Panasonic or LG (quality over quantity...)

Input Lag is also a major concern as I'm a serious gamer (I play a lot of COD and other FPS games and various sports games where the screen has to pan from side to side a lot) and as such lag and motion blur are large deterrents to me. I've read that the Panasonic uses an IPS-Alpha panel which is good for lag and viewing at angles, not sure about the panels in the LG or Sony but the LG is probably S-IPS (although I've heard of a panel lottery associated with that model). Read that that particular Sony model has relatively low lag because of its lack of 120Hz technology.

In terms of motion blur I know little about these models, although I heard that the IPS-A panel reduces blurring. But this is crucial to me as well.

Durability is important as I don't live in the US so if the TV goes bad it's virtually impossible for me to send it back, Panasonics and Sonys tend to have high build quality so I'm leaning towards those more than the LG.

So in terms of Picture Quality (Contrast, Brightness, Crispness, SHARPNESS - Big attraction for me), Input Lag, Motion Blur and Quality & Durability, which TV out of the 3 is best? (I don't expect anyone to own all three but if anyone has experienced 2 of the models or even 1 then that's all I need)

Owners of any of them PLEASE give me your opinions and thoughts.
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I'd also be interested in the 32" models of the Panasonic & LG if 32" is in fact the best choice for 4-5 feet.
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I heard Hitachi L32S504 is a good one. IPS alpha panel. 1080p 120hz. 24 watts speakers. $498.00 at walmart.
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Also stay away from Sony and LG. They make it seem like their tv's are the best, but they're not. Low sound and average picture is what u get.
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Also stay away from Sony and LG. They make it seem like their tv's are the best, but they're not. Low sound and average picture is what u get.

Sony and LG make great TVs
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yeah but 40 inches and bigger. Smaller sizes? forget about it. Samsung is way better then those two. I've tried them all.
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yeah but 40 inches and bigger. Smaller sizes? forget about it. Samsung is way better then those two. I've tried them all.

I beg to differ. I've personally tested several 32" 1080p sets from all the big players recently, with a focus on PC monitor and gaming usage. From my findings, I consider LG (w/ S-IPS) to be the best for PC monitor and gaming use (superb picture quality and very low input lag). Sony and Samsung turned up being average.

Now I admit, Samsung has like 4 different 32" 1080p models, and I only tested one of them. So maybe their ultra upper tier model would blow everything away, but it was cost prohibitive to me.

The one display I really want to test are the newer edge lit LG's (xx5300/xx5400), but I can't find anywhere that sells the S-IPS version. From reviews though, it seems to be a noticeable step up from the CCFL lit models.
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Ive read good reviews on the Panasonic 32", some reviewers compared the LG 32" and the Panasonic 32" and said the Panasonic just beat the LG in picture quality, build quality and more HDMI ports. However, the LG is $20 cheaper, so is the Panasonic worth it?
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I have tested comparable LED-LCD's from LG, Panasonic and Samsung and ended up with the LG 32LE5400. It was the best performer of the 5 models I looked at. I highly recommend you look at the LG 37LE5300. If I was to get a 37" that would likely be the one.
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Code is right, the 37LE5300 is a great TV. I also compared many and this one is fantastic. I have mine hooked up via HDMI with a PS3.
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Looks very nice indeed but its out of my price range.
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I don't have first hand experience with the 37" versions, but I do with the 32" versions. So hopefully this will help...

Between the three models, I would rank them the following (from best to worst): LG450 > U22 >= EX400.

For a LD450 vs EX400 comparison, see my reply here.

Between the LD450 and U22, the LD450 has better image quality and lower input lag. The LD450 uses a S-IPS panel (beware the panel lottery) and the the U22 uses an IPS Alpha panel. Personally, I think S-IPS panels are significantly better than IPS Alpha's, but there are others that think the opposite. So if you can manage it, try to look at both displays and see what you like best.

For build quality, based on my "pick up and shake it" test, the U22 feels sturdier than the LD450. The LD450 has a wobble feel to it, as if the glass is not secure with the bezel. Whether this is an indication to poor life expectancy, who knows. Also, the LD450 was made in Mexico, and the U22 was made in Singapore. Again, not sure if that makes any difference, but might be useful for you.

Again, my observations are for the 32" versions only. So hopefully the 32" and 37" versions are similar enough so that my observations will carry over.
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I think im leaning more towards the 32" models now anyway due to shipping costs to my country.

The LD450 has an all-round better image quality in your opinion? Or does the U22 win in some aspects? (eg. Contrast, Sharpness, Black Levels, Viewing Angles, Color Accuracy, etc.)

Also, what is the motion blur like on these TVs?
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What about the 32LE5400? It has IPS Panel for wider viewing angles, you just need to make sure you get a W model not the S.
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Any owner of the LG 37LH40 ? How's it for game like Modern Warfare 2 ? etc. I need a TV with the lowest input lag and has nice picture as well.
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Also stay away from Sony and LG. They make it seem like their tv's are the best, but they're not. Low sound and average picture is what u get.

Worst post Ive seen tonight
Very good sound and great pictures for the price
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I think im leaning more towards the 32" models now anyway due to shipping costs to my country.

The LD450 has an all-round better image quality in your opinion? Or does the U22 win in some aspects? (eg. Contrast, Sharpness, Black Levels, Viewing Angles, Color Accuracy, etc.)

Also, what is the motion blur like on these TVs?

Kind of hard to say. I don't have any tools like a colorimeter to quantitatively measure which is better. All I can say that after tweaking the LD450 settings, I've been extremely happy with the image quality it produces. All those aspects you mentioned (contrast, sharpness, black levels, etc), I would give the LD450 a grade of "above average to excellent".

From the fast paced games I've played so far, I don't see any issues with motion blurring on the LD450. Don't know about the U22 though.
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From the fast paced games I've played so far, I don't see any issues with motion blurring on the LD450. Don't know about the U22 though.

I feel like I may have asked this one before, but... do you happen to know whether the LD450 displays DVI-HDMI without subsampling the color? (Ie full 4:4:4, not 4:2:2.) I'm not personally interested in a TV that won't accept or properly handle 24Hz but the results of the 450 may be applicable to other models.
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Like Helvetian said... check out the 32LE5400 with IPS panel. Your title does read 'highest quality 32/37" for gaming'!
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It does read that doesn't it....Guess I should've put "Under $600" at the end
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Between the LD450 and U22, the LD450 has better image quality and lower input lag.

I'll be returning to Sears tomorrow to once more test the 42LD520. If there are specific settings I need to use in order to lower the input lag, now's your chance to suggest them. Barring any new info, my own results indicate that in addition to suffering from the same 4:2:2 limitation as the Panny TVs, the LG also exhibited 21ms more input lag. No real "game mode" was found; perhaps it was hidden, in much the same manner as it is hidden on the Samsung I tried testing.
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Rename the input to either PC or game and change the picture mode to game.
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Has anyone had any experience with the Vizio E370VA?

Great looking TV with all the features that are necessary to me.
Would like to know what the actual picture quality, lag, etc. is like though...
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From the current owner of an 32LD450, don't get it. Chances are you will end up with an AUO TN or VA panel...both of which have awful(tn like)viewing angles when watching dark scenes(anything but dead center turns the blacks to a bright gray).
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