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post #1 of 14 Old 11-11-2010, 09:43 AM - Thread Starter
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I've seen alot of chatter about the "soap opera" effect due to the Motion interpolation of the newer TVS. I looked this up after seeing it firsthand on several new lcds and leds.

Basically, when it's turned on, it makes the picture you are watching look like the characters are somewhat superimposed over the background like it was shot with a cheap camera.

Solution.
1) Turn off the motion interpolation for things you watch that the effect makes look bad.
2) Turn it on for whatever doesn't look bad.

(Taken from wikipedia which has a nice page on the topic without getting too technical)
The "video" look side effect is also commonly referred to as "Soap Opera Effect" after the way those shows looked, having been shot on cheaper 30Hz video instead of regular broadcast equipment or film.

Here are the names of the "technology" per Brand.
* Hitachi - Reel120[2]
* Insignia - DCM Plus, for Digital Clear Motion 120 Hz
* Kogan Technologies - MotionMax 100Hz[3], 200Hz
* LG - TruMotion 120 Hz, 240 Hz
* Mitsubishi - Smooth 120 Hz
* Panasonic - Intelligent Frame Creation (IFC)
* Philips - HD Digital Natural Motion[4]
* Samsung - Auto Motion Plus 120 Hz[5], 240 Hz
* Sharp - Fine Motion Enhanced[6]
* Sony - MotionFlow 100 Hz, 100 Hz PRO (XBR series, Australia), 120 Hz, 200 Hz, 240 Hz, 400 Hz.[7][8]
* Toshiba - ClearScan 120 Hz, 240 Hz
* Vizio - MEMC (Motion Estimation, Motion Compensation)[9]

Now my main question is, what is this technology specifically geared for? It CLEARLY doesn't make 95% of what we watch look better. (IE, most of what we **read average American** watch that isn't a Bluray comes from Cable/Broadcast Feeds)
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"Clearly" only in your mind. There have been polls here on this technology and the majority of those responding like it. It offers a 3D effect.

I would suggest that you try it at the lowest setting and move it up gradually over two weeks and you might change your mind about "clearly".
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I discovered that I liked it, once I got used to it.

My TVs without the feature now look inferior.
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I discovered that I liked it, once I got used to it.

My TVs without the feature now look inferior.

That's what many people say and probably the reason all those manufacturers include the feature.I wouldn't have a set without it.
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I forced myself to get used to it on my sharp 810 because with the option enabled and set to high, the picture actually looked much better, although some shows look really fake/video camera like with it on

doesn't really matter much now though since I am returning the set and will wait until 2011 models come out to continue my search.
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Looks terrible in my eyes for most content, but it has potential with games. It can transform a 30 fps game into a 60 fps game. Unfortunately, most implementations have issues and either hiccup regularly or fail to impact all of the image (or simply fall apart when motion becomes too quick).

It also adds quite a bit of input lag.

So, I'd like to see it refined to the point where applying it to games would produce a full 60 fps effect for everything 95% of the time.
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You can refer to this thread for some info on why MCFI is important for LCD:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1285072
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Coming from an old school CRT RPTV, I found the standard/preset AMP settings on my Sammy a bit distracting, disorienting, and unnatural but was able to copy a custom setting from this board that makes it effective but barely noticeable. I could never get over how objects in motion on the screen seemed to float over everything else and the occcasional judder from processor heavy scenes was annoying.

The standard settings were especially horrid to me in car chase scenes, etc. - almost to the point where they made me dizzy!
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I think this is an area where Plasmas clearly have the advantage over LCDs. I have a Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma that has a "Smooth" processing mode that applies frame interpolation at 60 Hz, but I never use it. Plasma pixels have quicker response than LCD pixels, so you really don't need that type of processing with a Plasma. I prefer "Film" sources to look just like they do at the theater. No "Soap Opera Effect" for me!

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"Clearly" only in your mind. There have been polls here on this technology and the majority of those responding like it. It offers a 3D effect.

I would suggest that you try it at the lowest setting and move it up gradually over two weeks and you might change your mind about "clearly".

I beg to differ with those that believe that the picture you see when motion interpolation is employed is bad. cool.gif

Check these links out:
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http://www.studiodaily.com/2012/04/the-hobbit-the-soap-opera-effect-and-the-48fps-and-faster-future-of-movies/
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/337506/20120504/hdtv-hd-frame-rate-soap-opera-effect.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/04/the-hobbit-debuted-some-footage-in-48-fps-and-everyone-hated-it


The so-called soap opera effect will be the rule rather than the exception.biggrin.gif

Thanks for listening with an open mind,
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Do you really need to reopen every thread on this topic from the last decade?
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The so-called soap opera effect will be the rule rather than the exception.biggrin.gif
Thanks for listening with an open mind,
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You posted that in another thread. SOE is a personal choice. Some like it, some don't. Whether it will be a "standard' is far from certain. The implementation varies from mfr to mfr so some tvs look better than others. Troll bait.
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haha, Looks terrible in my eyes for most content, but it has potential with games . game is very Attractive !!! biggrin.gif:D 20.jpg
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Hi,

Does it look like this model http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX..._cd_ql_qh_dp_t has any motion extrapolation feature and if so can you turn them off?

Thanks,
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