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Vizio's new 65" LED, now on their website,,, looks very very interesting !!!!

http://www.vizio.com/led-lcd-hdtvs/xvt3d650sv.html


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Vizio's new 65" LED, now on their website,,, looks very very interesting !!!!

http://www.vizio.com/led-lcd-hdtvs/xvt3d650sv.html


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As mentioned somewhere else buried in another thread....

Edge lit 120Hz and a really high price. Also, Polarized glasses. Upside is you can buy glasses for all the kids in the neighborhood for the cost of a single pair of actives. Downside is your 2D content is 120Hz.
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As mentioned somewhere else buried in another thread....
Yea,, I figured I would post a thread for the link since it was buried in another thread.

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i thought you just bought a 65 inch plasma?
are you planning on return it for this?
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The Grand disappointment is that this is a Razor model and not a TRULED. I bought the 32" version of the Razor and it proved to be a huge disappointment with its supposed one million to one CR was simply false and while the PQ was OK it could not match my 4-5 year old Sharps and far inferior to my Sony Z and Samsung C6400.

Great to have a Big Boy Panel on the block from Vizio but I was certain they'd be placing this in the TruLED format not the Razor.

Hopefully, it's glass is different from the 32" Razor I bought and if this were a ten bit panel it seems it would have a higher color count also. I can't believe they didn't build the 65" with Universally Highly Rated TruLED!

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Nice, I wonder when we will start seeing them
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I can see where the marketing people would recommend an edge-lit panel in the 65 inch size. Many of these are going to have to pass a spousal approval test, and the thinner edge-lit panel gets higher marks on appearance.

Vizio is not that interested in the hobbiest market. They are a high volume lower profit margin brand. You want 65 inch back-lit, get that Samsung 65 inch model 8000.
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I can see where the marketing people would recommend an edge-lit panel in the 65 inch size. Many of these are going to have to pass a spousal approval test, and the thinner edge-lit panel gets higher marks on appearance.

It actually is not that thin or light compared to the Samsung 65" at 79.8 lbs and 1.2" thick whereas the Vizio is 2.5" thick and weighs about 130 lbs.

Samsung gets the WAF and mobility factor with it's thinness and lightweight spec's and if the blacks are anything like the Razor 32" I owned the Samsung will blow it away easily but admittedly the retail price point for general consumers with lower budgets may grab the Vizio and that's their market segment gravy anyways.

Anyone finicky about black levels like members on this forum simply won't tolerate the crappy gray bars instead of black bars and credits I saw on the 32" Razor as it had that old HAZY LCD Look that Samsung, Sony, Sharp, LG and Vizio TRuLED have pretty much done away with. BTW I'm not anti Vizio at all as I was set to buy this were it the TRuLED version and I got burned on the 32" Razor that members here should audition before committing to buy as the Razor PQ IMO doesn't come all that close to the new TruLED that's getting rave reviews.

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i thought you just bought a 65 inch plasma?
are you planning on return it for this?

Yea,,, my timing was great,,, the day I took delivery of my new Panasonic 65" plasma Vizio puts their 65 incher up on the website,,,,, after I been waiting for almost a year to see what larger than 55" LCD I would be wanting to get it goes up on their website hours after I get the plasma,,,,, I was just sitting in front of my pc monitor saying WTF !!!!!!

As far as returning the plasma to get the Vizio,, at this moment thats not the plan,, who knows when the Vizio will actually come out,,, could be in Jan or in 8 months,,, I asked Vizio yesterday for a release date and all they would say is "sometime in 2011".

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Just noticed this in the specs.

Full HD 3D = No

I'll bet it's quarter resolution in 3D (1/2 x 1/2).
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One thing thats interesting is how fast this thread is growing (how many views it has had),,,, whats interesting about the speed of this thread growth is there are some AVS members that claim there is not much interest or a market for a bigger screen size LCD,,,, yet with every thread started that mentions a larger screen size that thread grows faster than most other threads.

Geeze,, I wonder why that is ????

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One thing thats interesting is how fast this thread is growing (how many views it has had)...

Geeze,, I wonder why that is ????


Might be the mention on Engadget pointing to this thread.
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Might be the mention on Engadget pointing to this thread.

So that would mean that its just not us only here on AVS that are interested in this 65 incher.

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So that would mean that its just not us only here on AVS that are interested in this 65 incher.

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More than likely it means there are search engines and click happy kids following links from Engadget, but I suppose some obsessed people are curious about 65" LCD panels.
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Just noticed this in the specs.

Full HD 3D = No

I'll bet it's quarter resolution in 3D (1/2 x 1/2).

Is it possible that they are cheating somehow? I would expect a passive 3D system like this would involve some sort of active polarizer on the screen, but is it possible they are using a passive polarizing layer such that every other line is oppositely polarized?
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As far as returning the plasma to get the Vizio,, at this moment thats not the plan,, who knows when the Vizio will actually come out,,, could be in Jan or in 8 months,,, I asked Vizio yesterday for a release date and all they would say is "sometime in 2011".

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Yea thats what I heard as well, I am going to be checking the system since it has not even showed up yet, but when it does I will at lest have the ETA
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The Grand disappointment is that this is a Razor model and not a TRULED. I bought the 32" version of the Razor and it proved to be a huge disappointment with its supposed one million to one CR was simply false and while the PQ was OK it could not match my 4-5 year old Sharps and far inferior to my Sony Z and Samsung C6400.

Great to have a Big Boy Panel on the block from Vizio but I was certain they'd be placing this in the TruLED format not the Razor.

Hopefully, it's glass is different from the 32" Razor I bought and if this were a ten bit panel it seems it would have a higher color count also. I can't believe they didn't build the 65" with Universally Highly Rated TruLED!

The 32" Razor does not have any local dimming and on their site the 65" spec says there are 32 zones of local dimming and so this must be an improvement over the 32".
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More than likely it means there are search engines and click happy kids following links from Engadget, but I suppose some obsessed people are curious about 65" LCD panels.

Ahhh,, so your saying the main reason this thread is growing is because of a mention of AVS in an artical on Engadget which is causing click happy kids to come here,,,,, and the remaining views this page gets is only from people that have OCD and are only "curious" about 65" LCD panels,,,,,,,,,, well heck,,, that explains it !!!!

And the other large screen size LCD threads I mentioned that grow very quickly,,,, also because of "bored click happy kids" that arent being watched by their mommies ?

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And the other large screen size LCD threads I mentioned that grow very quickly,,,, also because of "bored click happy kids" that arent being watched by their mommies ?


Yes. Reminds me that I need to call your mom and have a chat
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3700bux for a Vizio seems really expensive, even if it is a 65inch. I'd expect under 3k. 3700bux is little to close to 65inch VT25.
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Yes. Reminds me that I need to call your mom and have a chat


No,,, dont tell my mommie,,,,,, she will be very upset with me,,,,,,, when my parents had "the talk" with me they told me too much clicking will make you go blind !!!!!!

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3700bux for a Vizio seems really expensive, even if it is a 65inch. I'd expect under 3k. 3700bux is little to close to 65inch VT25.

Yea,,,, that is a higher MSRP than I had expected,,,, at CES last year Vizio showed off their 72 incher that never came to be and said it would cost around 3K,, I was thinking they would at least try and stay in that price range or lower with a 65 incher.
But then again,, the technology to make a passive 3D panel cost more money to make and will mean not having to buy those expensive 3D shutter glass's.

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So, the lack of active 3D shutter glasses doesn't bother me at all.

But should the 120 Hz hold me back? Or is this one of those deals whereby "the average consumer can't tell the diff between 120, 240, and 480 Hz's"?

I love the way Vizio has a customer review posted already by the way.

I was one of the many waiting on the 72-incher. I'm thinking this 65-incher may be the one.
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One thing thats interesting is how fast this thread is growing (how many views it has had),,,, whats interesting about the speed of this thread growth is there are some AVS members that claim there is not much interest or a market for a bigger screen size LCD,,,, yet with every thread started that mentions a larger screen size that thread grows faster than most other threads.

Geeze,, I wonder why that is ????

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most likely curiosity more than anything.
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Ahhh,, so your saying the main reason this thread is growing is because of a mention of AVS in an artical on Engadget which is causing click happy kids to come here,,,,, and the remaining views this page gets is only from people that have OCD and are only "curious" about 65" LCD panels,,,,,,,,,, well heck,,, that explains it !!!!

And the other large screen size LCD threads I mentioned that grow very quickly,,,, also because of "bored click happy kids" that arent being watched by their mommies ?

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why the condescending remarks? This is a forum where enthusiasts go to discuss and read about things related to home theater and such. I read about a lot of items that I would never be interested in purchasing.
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why the condescending remarks? This is a forum where enthusiasts go to discuss and read about things related to home theater and such. I read about a lot of items that I would never be interested in purchasing.

There are some members that have chosen to attack discussions of large panels period and plus you may want to keep in mind that DAVYO brings a sort of different dimension to discussions here as he's a Comedian in Vegas I believe and perhaps he's got a bit of Don Rickles or Rodney Dangerfield at play or whoever he emulates.

He most often makes a discussion quite humorous unless he's pulling a Vince Young over the lack of large panel LCD's to choose form at affordable prices.

The fastest growing thread I've ever witnessed here was when the HD DVD Players debuted for sale - the postings were going so fast you couldn't keep up.

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Just noticed this in the specs.

Full HD 3D = No

I'll bet it's quarter resolution in 3D (1/2 x 1/2).


HUH, arent all recent 3D tv's full HD 3D?
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There are some members that have chosen to attack discussions of large panels period and plus you may want to keep in mind that DAVYO brings a sort of different dimension to discussions here as he's a Comedian in Vegas I believe and perhaps he's got a bit of Don Rickles or Rodney Dangerfield at play or whoever he emulates.

He most often makes a discussion quite humorous unless he's pulling a Vince Young over the lack of large panel LCD's to choose form at affordable prices.

The fastest growing thread I've ever witnessed here was when the HD DVD Players debuted for sale - the postings were going so fast you couldn't keep up.

Thanks Westa,,, and yes,, I do try and bring some humor to the table but its the way I think so I cant really help it,, Im kind of a smartass just by nature,,,, problem is that the spoken word translates differently than the written word.

As far as comics: Rodney Dangerfield, I knew him (before he died),,, very nice guy and very cool,,,, and had a really really nice house,,,,, but no home theater set-up

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HUH, arent all recent 3D tv's full HD 3D?


All I know is Avatar 3D in the theater was awesome, and if that's what Vizio is selling, then I'm buying.
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HUH, arent all recent 3D tv's full HD 3D?

Because of passive polarization with this Vizio...both right and left eye info is shown on display at same time (will hugely reduce flicker and ghosting artifacts image should be very stable.) So 1920x540 is actual 'resolution' of the content (odd lines right eye even lines left.) The apparent resolution however will probably seem higher as your brain generates the high def image but not quite that of active 3D sets. In the end active and passive both have their advantages/disadvantages and will come down to viewing preference and $$$. Active has the edge IMHO at this point in the game.

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Because of passive polarization with this Vizio...both right and left eye info is shown on display at same time (will hugely reduce flicker and ghosting artifacts image should be very stable.) So 1920x540 is actual 'resolution' of the content (odd lines right eye even lines left.) The apparent resolution however will probably seem higher as your brain generates the high def image but not quite that of active 3D sets. In the end active and passive both have their advantages/disadvantages and will come down to viewing preference and $$$. Active has the edge IMHO at this point in the game.
Personaly I would pick passive over active reguardless of the pro's and con's of either,,,,, a few weeks ago I watched a 3D movie on a friends 58" Panasonic VT25 3D plasma,,,,, a few things I noticed was the active glass's were less than fun to wear and the picture was a bit on the dim side.

With the extra brightness that LCD puts out over plasma and the passive glass's Im hoping the passive LCD will be a much better veiwing experience than I had with the 3D plasma,,,,, not that the VT25 sucked,,, it just didnt give the WOW I was hoping for.

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