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It's on Panelook as well
http://www.panelook.com/modeldetail.php?id=21537

TDC140141X2004Z
^^Sweet find,

Check out page 26 and 27 of the PDF and see if you can crack the case open a little further to find the other label.
TD C1 401 41X 2004Z

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1404577167

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Hi again!
I made more investigations, this code V390HJ4 - PE1 is present on the control board (see the attached photo).
What do you think?

Thanks
I think your determination and Google Foo are impressive.

thought I remembered seeing smarter glass somewhere.. Congrats on your find.
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Hey Woob........ I was just in a brand new Target this morning and was drawn to the tv section. I always like to cruise just to see what's there even though I am not currently in the market for a tv. I noticed two Samsung's that had version numbers I've never seen before. Curiosity has gotten the best of me.

UN32EH4003FXZA - version QD06

UN39FH5000FXZA - version PF03

Qxxx and Pxxx? Any idea what the panel is on those? I hate to add more fuel to the confusion fires but curiosity is what it is....
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Check out page 26 and 27 of the PDF and see if you can crack the case open a little further to find the other label.
TD C1 401 41X 2004Z
Hi Woobiezier,
I can't download the pdf file from panelook.com...can u help me?

I can't open your attachments...

thanks a lot!
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Does anyone know what the native refresh rate of the panel is, for the H6400? A sales assistant told me it was 50hz, but reading the net, most information rates it at 100hz.

Might help if I give you the full model code: it is UE40H6400AKXXU. So... is it a good panel, if there is any difference between the model codes?

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Hi again!
V390HJ4 - PE1 is present on the control board (see the attached photo).
But I'm not sure of the correct identification...
What do you think?
You have BN95-01094A V390HJ4-PE1,CY-HF390BGMV1H CMI
According Service manual, possible panels for your chassis U85A
BN07-01268A 39D6AF0S HF390BGM-C1,CFHDBM1,10bit*,39 CMI
BN07-01272A 39L6AF0S HF390BGA-C1,CFHDBA1,10bit,39 I AUO
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UN32EH4003FXZA - version QD06
UN39FH5000FXZA - version PF03
Qxxx and Pxxx? Any idea what the panel is on those? I hate to add more fuel to the confusion fires but curiosity is what it is....
Welcome to China world
PXXX was Chunghwa in previous generations
Q didn't see before, but knew that last year Samsung began use panels from CSOT. May be in this case?
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Hey Woob........ I was just in a brand new Target this morning and was drawn to the tv section. I always like to cruise just to see what's there even though I am not currently in the market for a tv. I noticed two Samsung's that had version numbers I've never seen before. Curiosity has gotten the best of me.

UN32EH4003FXZA - version QD06

UN39FH5000FXZA - version PF03

Qxxx and Pxxx? Any idea what the panel is on those? I hate to add more fuel to the confusion fires but curiosity is what it is....
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Welcome to China world
PXXX was Chunghwa in previous generations
Q didn't see before, but knew that last year Samsung began use panels from CSOT. May be in this case?
This is what I love to see! People helping ppl out. May not seem like it but I do sleep occasionally.

Otto, you left home without your len? I kinda guessed since it was a holiday here and you were absent from posting in you favorite CEC nesting grounds you were shopping..

I'm going to side up with Mikl, until such time as I see some photos and google up CSOT, and verify those year/model codes. So hand out the refreshments Otto.. don't be stingy.
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Hi Woobiezier,
I can't download the pdf file from panelook.com...can u help me?
I can't open your attachments...
thanks a lot!
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You have BN95-01094A V390HJ4-PE1,CY-HF390BGMV1H CMI
According Service manual, possible panels for your chassis U85A
BN07-01268A 39D6AF0S HF390BGM-C1,CFHDBM1,10bit*,39 CMI
BN07-01272A 39L6AF0S HF390BGA-C1,CFHDBA1,10bit,39 I AUO
@Mikl1984 has pulled the rabbit from the hat. @bosun82 the attachment were of the original PDF you linked,
Panelook took me directly to Smarter Glass original PDF you posted.
I was just showing you. et al : another method to find the same information.. That PDF was interesting to read over.
I'm glad you posted here and challenged our ability and proved your own.. I hope you can find your item now!
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Does anyone know what the native refresh rate of the panel is, for the H6400? A sales assistant told me it was 50hz, but reading the net, most information rates it at 100hz.

Might help if I give you the full model code: it is UE40H6400AKXXU. So... is it a good panel, if there is any difference between the model codes?
According to Samsung, it is 120hz.
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Does anyone know what the native refresh rate of the panel is, for the H6400? A sales assistant told me it was 50hz, but reading the net, most information rates it at 100hz.

Might help if I give you the full model code: it is UE40H6400AKXXU. So... is it a good panel, if there is any difference between the model codes?
You sure have some tenacious willpower jetman2! IDK how you haven't torn that box open yet.. If your box has a ClearMotion logo stating 100, then your native is 50.
Humble is a salesman that knows the truth and keeps it simple. Hooray for honesty.
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Otto, you left home without your len? I kinda guessed since it was a holiday here and you were absent from posting in you favorite CEC nesting grounds you were shopping..

I'm going to side up with Mikl, until such time as I see some photos and google up CSOT, and verify those year/model codes. So hand out the refreshments Otto.. don't be stingy.
These were sealed in boxes so no access. I do keep the loupe in the car tho . If I was actively looking for a tv I'd be a real pain in the a$$ at our local B&M's peering at the panels or taking pics with my cam and writing down as much info I could find. Got quite a reputation for myself at the BB closest to me when I was looking for my LG. I was just curious cause I hadn't seen those version numbers before or seen them mentioned. This thread has really peaked my interest because of the "need" to get the perfect panel. This is not a criticism to the folks here because I've been there and done that so I can certainly identify with the pain. In fact, I was doing the panel two-step this time last year when we bought my son's EH5300.

CEC, yeah it's amazing how many folks still think that CEC works as designed for all devices and wonder what's wrong with their equipment if HDMI control gets flaky or does not play nice.
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UN32EH4003FXZA - version QD06 (EH - Direct LED 2012)
UN39FH5000FXZA - version PF03 (FH - Direct LED 2013)

Qxxx and Pxxx? Any idea what the panel is on those? I hate to add more fuel to the confusion fires but curiosity is what it is....
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Welcome to China world
PXXX was Chunghwa in previous generations
Q didn't see before, but knew that last year Samsung began use panels from CSOT. May be in this case?
Latter not former..

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Mikl is trying to get us mixed up. lol
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Reliability and accuracy of source is now in question. I feel sorry for the new, or wanna be Samsung owners.
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Has AUO or Chi Mei ever made a 60" panel for a Samsung TV?

I am about to pull the trigger on a 60H6300, and it seems that it would be a Sharp panel, is that correct?
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Only Sharp panels in the 60" size.
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According to Samsung, it is 120hz.
Thanks. That must be for the US model (UN40H6400).

Woobieizer guessed right, I'm from Europe (UK)... so mine is the UE40H6400. So, I'm guessing the equivalent must be a 100hz panel... Although there do appear to be some differences between the UN an UE versions, in that the UE one doesn't have micro-dimming, for one thing.
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You sure have some tenacious willpower jetman2! IDK how you haven't torn that box open yet.. If your box has a ClearMotion logo stating 100, then your native is 50.
Humble is a salesman that knows the truth and keeps it simple. Hooray for honesty.
My box doesn't seem to have any CMR logo on it at all! However, the TV is rated at 400 CMR... More evidence suggesting it is a 100hz panel then. What I was wondering is if, with the new quad core processors, Samsung were convoluting ridiculously high CMR ratings off low native refresh rates. A multiple of 8 wouldn't be unheard of from TV manufacturers...

I don't know what the sales assistant was playing at, lol. His colleague did mention the offer price was insisted on by Samsung and they were making hardly any money on them...

If anyone can confirm the UE**H6400 has a 100hz panel for sure, that would be great. Thanks.
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You sure have some tenacious willpower jetman2! IDK how you haven't torn that box open yet..
Can't quite decide between 40" and 48" screen size, lol. Not that I have much choice anymore, as the offer price has ended meaning price jump to 48" is less attractive than last week. 40" is what I always intended to get for reasons of practicality, but have to admit movie trailer clips looked amazing on the 48" demo.

If I wait long enough, I suppose price on 48" would come down again...
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If anyone can confirm the UE**H6400 has a 100hz panel for sure, that would be great.
Very simple method
http://www.samsungpartsnl.com/samsun...h6400awxxn.htm
You need to check panel, T-con and FRC PNs with descriptions
BN95-01318B PRODUCT LCD-AMLCD;LSF400HF04-G,CY-GH040C
BN95-01308A ASSY T CON;LSF400HF04-G,40F120Hz VNB
No FRC board so far

But according T-Con your panel is 100/120Hz for sure
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But according T-Con your panel is 100/120Hz for sure
http://www.avforums.com/threads/sams...#post-20891795
Apparently the service menu states the native refresh rate as 120hz, and that's for the UE version. I'm a little confused as I would have thought it would be a multiple of 50 for Europe, no?

I thought the frequency of the panel was set to work with domestic broadcast frequencies. Thinking about it, I appreciate that there is also a 24p mode... but I don't quite understand how this works. Is the panel frequency variable, so it can run at either 100 or 120hz? Or is it designed to prefer one over the other?
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Is the panel frequency variable, so it can run at either 100 or 120hz? Or is it designed to prefer one over the other?
Yes
It depends on input signal
The same panel use worldwide
In Europe 100 Hz preferable, especially for tuner modes
Its easily visible in EDID report for HDMI In
For example new one for UEXXH6200/6400 http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=62:14612-181#2242
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I thought Samsung's panel lottery was bad but after spending some times on the Sony threads, it appears Sony is using AUO panels on most of their sets including the UHD models. What is weird is that the owners do not seem to be concerned at all about the practice. They seemed appreciate the AUO panels and prefer them over the LG panels.
I believe the Sony 850B has Samsung panels. Probably why its a few hundred more than the 800B despite not really having any extra features that I can tell.

I just ordered a 60H6300 (Sharp panel). We'll see how good/crap it is when it arrives later this week.
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Should be a good panel. Sifting through the posts, it seems most are pleased. I have a UN65H6350 with a AUO panel. Still tweaking and liking it more then when it first arrived. Let us know your impressions.
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I have a UN65H6350 with a AUO panel. Still tweaking and liking it more then when it first arrived. Let us know your impressions.
SiGGy says his 65" AUO has good contrast ratio 5000:1. I have a meter and can measure mine, and would be happy if it get 5000:1.

If you feel the image is lacking contrast, try a lower gamma setting. Because gamma decreases when you sit off axis, you might need to use a lower number, like, -3 or -2. Or just use the swivel stand to point it wherever you're sitting. And don't view in a pitch black room. Even plasmas don't look black in pitch black room. You could even try bias lighting behind the TV for extra oomph.

Check out AVSHD709 test patterns, in particular the pattern for setting black level to make sure black level is set as low as possible without losing the bottom few shades.

For a quick n dirty white balance calibration, set colour to 0, then flick through the white balance presets (Cool, Normal, Warm1, Warm2) and choose the one that looks the most neutral coloured.

If you want to calibrate it further, adjust only the Gains using additive rules. eg. if picture is tinted yellow (yellow=red+green) then reduce red+green in equal amounts, or alternatively raise the other one (blue). Try to avoid reducing green as much as possible because green makes up 72% of the brightness of white and you will lose more peak brightness that way.

Also I like Dynamic Contrast set to Low. I think SiGGy likes that too.

edit:

Also on the models over here, Normal/Standard picture mode has global backlight dimming, whereas Movie mode does not. So you may prefer the Normal/Standard picture mode for deeper blacks on dark scenes.

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SiGGy says his 65" AUO has good contrast ratio 5000:1. I have a meter and can measure mine, and would be happy if it get 5000:1.
Static or dynamic? Dynamic is usually the number that mfrs give because it's the higher of the two but static is better.
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Static or dynamic? Dynamic is usually the number that mfrs give because it's the higher of the two but static is better.
Static...

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After last nights cal...

39.719fl peak white, .008fl MLL.

This translates to 4,964:1

But the contrast ratio I verified 2x last evening. Approx. 5:000:1 with a bit of tweaking I could probably hit the 5500:1 number posted in the spec sheet. However it would probably toss off my calibration. I was looking at the interaction between color saturation, luminance and backlight level last night, there is a point where setting the backlight too low you can't dial in the CMS well (as good).
If you look rtings.com they get similar figures (4700:1)

I wonder if you can eek out a few hundred more with Contrast set to 100 without white clipping. And raise RGB gains.
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It should be said that hdtvtest.co.uk measured 2926:1 (40H6400) and avforums.com 2637:1 (55H6400).

I wonder if they had contrast and RGB gains as high as possible.

Maybe larger panels just have better black?

Some more figures from rtings.com...

H6350 4781:1
H6400 4700:1
H7150 4627:1
H8000 3497:1
HU8850 4188:1

What do the 4000+ ones all have in common? They are the version sold in US/Canada. hdtvtest and avforums review the UK model. Maybe there is some difference there. They are all using ANSI patterns to measure.

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