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Im looking to Buy a 46 inch 120hz Led TV. Thinking about a samsung or Sharp. But how do I know which models will support Pal ?

Someone mentioned on here one time that all 60hz tvs support pal. I dont know if that is true or not but my sony 32xbr6 supports pal fine. but it says no where on the manual that it does support pal. its like the manufactures hide it from you.

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Almost all 60Hz TVs sold in the US only support NTSC and only run on 60Hz 120 volt power in order to reduce manufacturing costs. Most models sold in Europe are 50/60 Hz 220 volt models and suport both PAL analog and NTSC analog.
The User' manuals and specs available on manufactures Web sites delibertly do not contain sales location specification details since these documents are available online from any location in the world.
I suggest that you send an E-mail to the manufacturer(s) whose set(s) you are interested in ask them about the specific models you are interested in if the information is not available online.
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Im looking to Buy a 46 inch 120hz Led TV. Thinking about a samsung or Sharp. But how do I know which models will support Pal ?
Why do you need pal?Import dvd's?
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I have some import dvds already.

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Almost all 60Hz TVs sold in the US only support NTSC and only run on 60Hz 120 volt power in order to reduce manufacturing costs. Most models sold in Europe are 50/60 Hz 220 volt models and suport both PAL analog and NTSC analog.
The User' manuals and specs available on manufactures Web sites delibertly do not contain sales location specification details since these documents are available online from any location in the world.
I suggest that you send an E-mail to the manufacturer(s) whose set(s) you are interested in ask them about the specific models you are interested in if the information is not available online.

what about 120hz models ? do alot of 120hz models support pal ? cause I have 2 60hz tvs right now that display pal fine. and was wanting to replace one of them with a 120hz

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I googled 120 hz lcd that supports pal.

Here is one link http://www.220-electronics.com/tv/lcd.htm
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I googled 120 hz lcd that supports pal.

Here is one link http://www.220-electronics.com/tv/lcd.htm

cool thanks. but when im browsing in stores like Bestbuy or frys is there something on the box I should look for to see if its pal compatible ? like on the link you posted, it says on their site All our Multi-System LCD TVs are 110 volts, 120 volts, 220 volts, 240 volts, and can be used anywhere in the world.

I dont know if those #s have anything to do with being pal compatible or not. I know its the electricity.

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I don't know,send them an email,tell 'm that you want a TV for NCTS/PAL.

I live in west-europe,right now i'm watching an american serie on my LCd/PS3,http://www.amazon.com/Newsradio-Comp.../dp/B001DSNEM4 ,NCTS - REGION1
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You could just RTFM. That's what the internet is for. I doubt there's a TV out there that doesn't have some kind of manual for it on the web...
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you could just rtfm. That's what the internet is for. I doubt there's a tv out there that doesn't have some kind of manual for it on the web...

rtfm ?

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You could just RTFM. That's what the internet is for. I doubt there's a TV out there that doesn't have some kind of manual for it on the web...

True, but manuals are known to leave this kind of thing out. Even if a set supports a 50Hz mode it may not be listed that way in North America since they figure everyone is using NTSC/Region 1/Region A media and has no use for it. The same goes for DVD and Blu-Ray players.
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rtfm ?

Read The Finely-Written Manual...
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You shouldn't base your TV choice on the fact that it supports PAL DVDs. If PAL DVD-s is all you care for (I really don't know if PAL also applies to Blu-Ray) then you can purchase DVD player that will convert PAL to NTSC for less than $100 (make sure it has HDMI out). The one I have is similar to this (I didn't purchase from this source): http://www.buy.com/prod/philips-hdmi...212713091.html

Update: PAL vs NTSC is still relevant for HDTV. Seems that resolution is the same but frame rate is different: http://hometheater.about.com/od/tele...cpalframes.htm I haven't found anything specific on Blu-Ray.
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What I want to know is what to look for on models so i know for myself if its pal compatible. if its compatible with 50hz does that mean it will display pal ?

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When a TV is 110/240 volt it also does 50/60 or 100/120 HZ and PAL /SECAM/ NTCS.
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When a TV is 110/240 volt it also does 50/60 or 100/120 HZ and PAL /SECAM/ NTCS.

do they usually say on the boxes if they support both 110/240 volts ?

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Probable,should be definitely in the manual(specifications).
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It is getting very common for all makers of consumer electronic equipmnent to have powers upplies that are 50/60Hz 120/240 volt units since there is very little /if any cost savings any more to have separate power supplies for different locations around the world.
My 2009 120hz LCD TV has a 50/60 120/240Hz power supply but it does not support PAL only NTSC
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It is getting very common for all makers of consumer electronic equipmnent to have powers upplies that are 50/60Hz 120/240 volt units since there is very little /if any cost savings any more to have separate power supplies for different locations around the world.
My 2009 120hz LCD TV has a 50/60 120/240Hz power supply but it does not support PAL only NTSC

Ok,so it has 120Hz 50Hz (no 100Hz?),110/240 Volt and NTSC.

What is the use for the 50Hz(100Hz?) and 230 Volt when it does not support PAL?Or do they expect from you that you buy a separate HDMI-X5 videoconverter?

What would you buy:
A) a 110/240 Volt - 100Hz/120Hz - PAL/NTSC TV or
B) a multi region bluray-player HDMI-X5 video converter combo?
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Just buy a DVD player. Virtually all the DVD players sold in US supports PAL->NTSC conversion (some may do a better job than others). But strangly almost no US BD player supports PAL DVDs.

There is probably zero chance you can buy any TV in US that natively supports PAL. TVs sold in US has to compete in price (TVs here are much cheaper than anywhere else in the world) so virtually all TV makers strip down unnecessary features like PAL to save cost.
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Ok,so it has 120Hz 50Hz (no 100Hz?),110/240 Volt and NTSC.

What is the use for the 50Hz(100Hz?) and 230 Volt when it does not support PAL?Or do they expect from you that you buy a separate HDMI-X5 videoconverter?

The power supplier designers and manufactures are now able to build 120/240 v 50/60 Hz power supplies for the same price/or almost the same price as building just 120v 60Hz power supplies so there it would cost more for a supplier of CE equipment be it TVs, PCs , or cell phones to supply and inventory separate power supplies for different locations in the world.
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Ok,so it has 120Hz 50Hz (no 100Hz?),110/240 Volt and NTSC.

What is the use for the 50Hz(100Hz?) and 230 Volt when it does not support PAL?Or do they expect from you that you buy a separate HDMI-X5 videoconverter?

What would you buy:
A) a 110/240 Volt - 100Hz/120Hz - PAL/NTSC TV or
B) a multi region bluray-player HDMI-X5 video converter combo?
the only difference between PAL LCD TV and NTSC LCD TV is in TUNER module (and power supply, of course -> to match local mains supply)

LCD TV panels are natively 60Hz p. All other input signals have to be processed first…

it is always best to get the player that would read everything..... one DOES NOT have to worry about what the TV supports.

some confusion still exists by believing that 50Hz = PAL and 60Hz = NTSC. This comes from analog TV age where the mains frequency was used to generate the fly-back pulse (to generate the signal that would tell the electron beam when to start scanning / displaying the next picture frame)

LCD TV's power supply does not influence PAL or NTSC genre in any way - it is JUST the power supply source and nothing else

the best is to forget totally about analog TV when one thinks about LCD TV. analog TV's are natively 50 or 60 Hz i

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im Thinking about getting a 46 inch samsung 6400 Led.

I chatted with someone on the Samsung site and they said, All Samsung US models supports only NTSC color system only.

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im Thinking about getting a 46 inch samsung 6400 Led.

I chatted with someone on the Samsung site and they said, All Samsung US models supports only NTSC color system only.

-> http://www.worldwidevoltage.com/sams...240-volts.html

What you could do is going to the store and connect your dvd-player to a TV that you like,insert a PAL dvd and see what happens.


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Power requirements:220V - 240V AC,50Hz
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Analogue:PAL,PAL60(only video input),SECAM,NTSC3.58,NTSC4.43,(only video input)
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found a damn good deal on a samsung 6500 model. but cant find anywhere to look up if its pal compatible or not.

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The 6500 is not listed at the site that sells only Multi-System capable models see"

http://www.220-electronics.com/tv/lcd.htm#Multi System LCD Screens Larger then 42
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Just buy a DVD player. Virtually all the DVD players sold in US supports PAL->NTSC conversion (some may do a better job than others).

I suspect the OP's intention was to get away from having to deal with a lesser-quality conversion and watch a pure, unconverted signal.


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But strangly almost no US BD player supports PAL DVDs.

The Oppos do, and with hardware modification, can be made region-free.


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There is probably zero chance you can buy any TV in US that natively supports PAL.


You can, but you have to do your homework.

Quick and simple solution: if all you're wanting to watch in PAL is DVDs or videotapes (i.e. not off-air broadcasts), then you can't go wrong with a Sharp TV.

[/b]So far[/b] all US Sharp Aquos models (the 'Aquos' ones are the TV that Sharp make themselves) have supported PAL. In the manual, they say that the PAL color system is only supported on the video/composite inputs (fine for a PAL/multi-system VCR), but if you connect your DVD or BluRay player via HDMI or Component and [i]set your DVD player's output to "multi" or "PAL", then you will still get a true PAL signal.

I have a Sharp 60E88UN and it handles PAL flawlessly, as well as 1080/50hz BluRay discs, too.

Absolutely NONE of the Samsung US models have PAL support. Panasonic is also a notorious non-PAL friendly manufacturer. In my own tests, as long as you're only using HDMI or Component (i.e. NOT Composite), you can display a native PAL signal on the Sony and LG sets I tested (but again, unlike Sharp, you cannot do with with the Composite connection, so PAL VHS tapes would be a no-go on those sets, but DVD would be fine as long as you use the right cables). Also, you might have to experiment with HDMI vs. Component depending on your player. My Philips decks (which I hacked with modded firmware to re-enable the NTSC/PAL/MULTI switchable options), for example, force everything to NTSC and widescreen (even if PAL and/or 4:3) if using HDMI, but if you use component, you can get PAL/MULTI and pillarboxed 4:3 if you wish. My Oppo player, conversely, keeps all options available no matter what connection you use.

I've heard Vizio TVs are also PAL-friendly, but I put more trust in Sharp (though I have nothing to base that on other than the fact Vizio is a cheapo discount-store brand).

If all else fails, do what someone else suggested (and what I did myself): take your DVD player + cables, a PAL DVD or two and see if the sales clerk will let you connect it to a few TVs and see what happens. Just be sure your DVD player is capable of being switched to PAL output.

If you get a color picture from your PAL output, you're in business!

Hope this is of help to someone.
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The fact that TV may or may not have universal power supply has nothing to do with PAL support.

If the TV has universal power supply, then it is very likely that it will support PAL, but only because it has a tuner and decoder chip that supports PAL tunning / stepping AND PAL decoding.

In other words, the PAL functionality is only related to AV processing board, and in particular TUNER and DECODER (AV PROCESSOR) chips.

It is very unlikely that 110/120V AC TV will support PAL (but it could if fitted with PAL-capable AV processing board), but very likely that 110/240V AC TV's will support PAL (because it can be used world-wide). This is why people usually relate power supply type with PAL functionality, but as I mentioned already, PAL tunning / decoding is a function of an AV processor board.

I completely omitted mains frequency from equations (50Hz or 60Hz) - because it is irrelevant. These two numbers should not be even mentioned when discussing PAL / NTSC capability in LCD/Plasma TV's.

The 110/120V AC 60Hz TV switching mode power supply will work exactly the same if connected to 110/120V AC 50Hz mains… if it existed… Mains frequency has nothing to do with digital TV’s.

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The best way to obtain PAL compatibility is to use PAL - capable DVD / bluray players and HDMI connection. HDMI signal that hits the TV is one-and-the same with either NTSC or PAL source disk.

Feeding composite / component PAL signals to US TV's can produce mixed results because this requires that the TV's AV processor (decoder) chip can decode PAL signals, and this is very unlikely because of the cost - cutting constrains.

Some multi standard players could probably output either NTSC or PAL signals via composite / component (to match TV’s capabilities via these inputs) -> this could be selectable in the player’s menu…. I haven’t really thought about it, but I can’t see why not, if the player is equipped with appropriate “coding” chip, and firmware to enable this functionality via menu / setup. I am not sure what would be manufacturers’ incentive to include this (zero?), but technically it could be implemented quite easily, and probably just by writing the appropriate firmware to enable this functionality on a chip that most likely is capable to perform both standards-coding by default.

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