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Well, obviously, I don't. And given that the pre-release price of some reasonable credible retailers is within just a few hundred dollars of that, I'm not sure why you do.

Sony is in a tight way right now, between the hackers incident and product failures and the Japanese economy due to the earthquake their cost are being strictly contained. And unless there is a problem with the 65" panels I don't apprehend there will be major discounting of these displays, unless specific dealers are blowing out their supply quickly. As per the local SonyStore by me they are going to be in limited supply for a while. So supply and demand will hold prices up.

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You are entitled to your forecast. I am entitled to my forecast. I suggest you look at the prices online before you get so certain they won't move so little over the coming months.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Sony is in a tight way right now, between the hackers incident and product failures and the Japanese economy due to the earthquake their cost are being strictly contained. And unless there is a problem with the 65" panels I don't apprehend there will be major discounting of these displays, unless specific dealers are blowing out their supply quickly. As per the local SonyStore by me they are going to be in limited supply for a while. So supply and demand will hold prices up.

Given the weak consumer spending, weak consumer confidence and anemic growth for not just the US economy but the entire western world, it seems a bit much to suggest demand for expensive top tier products will remain strong.

Maybe supply will be limited enough on this set that it happens but I doubt it. Because if that were to happen sales would be displaced by other sets on the market that are cheaper and discounted to boot.
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You are entitled to your forecast. I am entitled to my forecast. I suggest you look at the prices online before you get so certain they won't move so little over the coming months.

Average online pricing at approx 5400 ( a far cry from 4K ) 5400 represents a 10% price drop (average) from 5999. 4K would = a 30%+ price drop ??? maybe down the line a 20-25% discount especially if they have the "crease".

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Given the weak consumer spending, weak consumer confidence and anemic growth for not just the US economy but the entire western world, it seems a bit much to suggest demand for expensive top tier products will remain strong.

Maybe supply will be limited enough on this set that it happens but I doubt it. Because if that were to happen sales would be displaced by other sets on the market that are cheaper and discounted to boot.

Only time will tell. I hope prices do drop for those waiting for this panel.

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Hi All,

Sony are set to make a big announcement at IFA 2011 about their restructuring plans & how they will be steering their HDTV division in future. They have apparently "left no stone unturned" & looked at all options to drastically change the way it operates in the HDTV market. The general view from both the business & industry is that they will most likely limit future offerings to the higher end models & possibly completely pull out of the ultra competitive low & mid end sectors.

Sad if that happens - this is Sony after all, inventors of the great Trinitron of past & a globally accepted name for TV quality amongst the masses. All that reputation that took decades to build up eroded away - not even the great hype of 3D could would spare a company like Sony.

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Hi All,

Sony are set to make a big announcement at IFA 2011 about their restructuring plans & how they will be steering their HDTV division in future. They have apparently "left no stone unturned" & looked at all options to drastically change the way it operates in the HDTV market. The general view from both the business & industry is that they will most likely limit future offerings to the higher end models & possibly completely pull out of the ultra competitive low & mid end sectors.

Sad if that happens - this is Sony after all, inventors of the great Trinitron of past & a globally accepted name for TV quality amongst the masses. All that reputation that took decades to build up eroded away - not even the great hype of 3D could would spare a company like Sony.

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Sony's problem was their refusal to deal with and acknowledge big issues with they arose (SXRD anyone?). I know several lifelong Sony customers that after the SXRD experience will never own another Sony product of any sort.
Additionally, the fact that such issues became so widespread seems to me that poor quality control, engineering or thorough beta testing was another problem. Once the problem was out in the market they denied, denied and denied some more screwing customers...this doesn't go over well and can destroy a reputation.

Additionally, the conflicting statements between Sony in the UK and Sony North American regarding the few issues with the 929 show that they haven't learned much with regard to customer service and how to handle problems.

They have continued to expect customers to pay a premium and a big one at that for something that provides very little "premium" anywhere in the experience.

I still like Sony's XBR products, especially this new 929, additionally, they've consistently offered better processing among the major LCD brands, but to 90% of people it hardly justifies the SIGNIFICANT price gaps between Sony and competing brands.
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There are still a lot of HD people who have animosity towards Sony for the Blu/HD wars and it carries forward still.

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There are still a lot of HD people who have animosity towards Sony for the Blu/HD wars and it carries forward still.

That is true, but BD was the far superior format...at least in my opinion.
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That is true, but BD was the far superior format...at least in my opinion.

I agree but there are still those who feel the opposite, and some of those still refuse to embrace BD regardless and some who are still waiting for HDDVD to rise again from the ashes.

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I still like Sony's XBR products, especially this new 929, additionally, they've consistently offered better processing among the major LCD brands, but to 90% of people it hardly justifies the SIGNIFICANT price gaps between Sony and competing brands.

That's why I've suggested that the very pricey Sharp Elite may, ironically, be one of the best selling points for the 929s.
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That's why I've suggested that the very pricey Sharp Elite may, ironically, be one of the best selling points for the 929s.

Hi Ken,

I very much doubt it matey - it will still take quite some time for the Elites to be readily available in the marketplace & even then, they will have very limited exposure as they are to be sold through specialist selected dealers/outlets etc. Also, bear in mind that we ill be approaching year end pretty fast & CES2012 will soon be upon us with revelations of next years shiny new models all promising to liberate us with HDTV Nirvana.

I do not think therefore that there will be an appreciable increase in the sales of the 929's based on the pricing of the Elites as the Sony is targeted as a mass product & the Elite a niche one.

I think Sony will just ride out whatever it can on the 929 Series & will be focusing efforts on it's replacement for 2012 - hopefully by addressing some some of the QC issues that have hurt the 2011 models. I very much doubt that we will see any noticeable PQ improvement though - probably just more add on features & apps etc. Sony probably feel that current PQ is good enough & would not want to invest too much in expensive R&D at a time when they are hurting real bad imo.

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That's why I've suggested that the very pricey Sharp Elite may, ironically, be one of the best selling points for the 929s.

No doubt when you can get the 55" Sony for half the price as the 60" Sharp on the street. The question becomes is any picture quality improvement and the extra 5" worth twice the price?

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The price will drop from $6K, you can be sure. If they are streeting right now at $4800-4900 with the aggressive guys going down to $4300, then yeah, $4K is not a stretch at all.

I received contact from Sony claiming availability on the 4th. I imagine that is when the first shipment comes on (or perhaps a bit later) and then the channel will get their allocation in a subsequent shipment save for some special retailers.
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Sadness.

I hope not cancelled the way they did 70 SXRD
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Average online pricing at approx 5400 ( a far cry from 4K ) 5400 represents a 10% price drop (average) from 5999. 4K would = a 30%+ price drop ??? maybe down the line a 20-25% discount especially if they have the "crease".

Are you buying an infinite number of them? If not, the average price is 100% irrelevant. I'm buying at most one. Since I can already order it for $4400..... I think $4000 street is quite plausible.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Are you buying an infinite number of them? If not, the average price is 100% irrelevant. I'm buying at most one. Since I can already order it for $4400..... I think $4000 street is quite plausible.

I thought you said your Sony connection dried up. Is 4400 a super special deal?
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Are you buying an infinite number of them? If not, the average price is 100% irrelevant. I'm buying at most one. Since I can already order it for $4400..... I think $4000 street is quite plausible.

Where are you seeing a $4400 price at? I think that if you see it for that price you should get it. I'm no expert, but it seems to me you won't see the 65 at your $4000 street price this year...barring unforeseen events.

And why get so defensive in your discussion. It feels like you are getting personally offended at times. At least that's how it reads to me.
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Guys, AVS Forum is not a "deals forum" and the rules explicitly prohibit these kinds of discussion. But the last 10 posts are more than enough for you to figure out where the display is sold for that price.

And, yes, my Sony connection has dried up. I'm still working another angle, which I think could get me one for $4k or so, but I haven't gotten confirmation yet. Ordering one for <$4400 is something anyone can do right now, with the caveat that the merchant obviously can't ship something they don't yet have. It is a merchant I would spend $4000 with, however, based on their very long track record. As to when they can deliver a low-volume Sony flat panel, I haven't the slightest clue.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Guys, AVS Forum is not a "deals forum" and the rules explicitly prohibit these kinds of discussion. But the last 10 posts are more than enough for you to figure out where the display is sold for that price.

And, yes, my Sony connection has dried up. I'm still working another angle, which I think could get me one for $4k or so, but I haven't gotten confirmation yet. Ordering one for <$4400 is something anyone can do right now, with the caveat that the merchant obviously can't ship something they don't yet have. It is a merchant I would spend $4000 with, however, based on their very long track record. As to when they can deliver a low-volume Sony flat panel, I haven't the slightest clue.

The guy throwing around price quotes, is the guy quoting the rules. Priceless.
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Not what I heard, still on target for September sometime.

Contrary to what many assume and common sense distribution, Sonystyle often is not the first to receive new product debuts for many years I've followed their debuts on this forum.

My nightmare scenario would be a repeat of the 70" SXRD where they were taking pre-orders for over a month and then suddenly they cancelled it totally within days of the planned release. Sony is supposed to make major announcements about product lines next week (I think 8/30) and hoping we don't get a repeat of that event with a cancellation of the 65" line after waiting all year and a preorder and may leave me with the costlier 70" Elite with a sizeable price difference. It's really surprising that no one so far is rebadging Sharp 70" panels and Sony may regret not expanding their partnership at Saiki as they've had minimal earthquake supply interruptions as none of their facilities were within the zones and who wouldn't crave a 70" 929.

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I hope not cancelled the way they did 70 SXRD

Not cancelled. That's a totally unfounded rumor.
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Contrary to what many assume and common sense distribution, Sonystyle often is not the first to receive new product debuts for many years I've followed their debuts on this forum.

Yup, I've seen that countless times for almost anything 'Sony'. It never made any sense to me.
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I'm searching for a good surge protector that can handle this tv and my audio equipment hooked to it. Curious as to what you all are using and why and what do you recommend?
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I'm searching for a good surge protector that can handle this TV and my audio equipment hooked to it. Curious as to what you all are using and why and what do you recommend?

I am using an APC UPS for this. It not only gives me surge protection but also eliminates the small power dropouts that we have had in Ohio all year from numerous thunder storms. It handles my TV, Blu-ray player, AV Receiver and DVR, and prevents equipment reboots every time the power flashes off briefly.
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Hello Wise HX929 Owners!

I actually do not own the HX929, but have come here because my TV has a severe lack of settings/calibration community. Having owned nearly 5 Sony LED's in the last couple years, I'm pretty versed in the differences but had some questions I was hoping someone may be able to answer.

Motionflow - What is the exact difference in these settings? I can read the i-manual but I'm wondering what is actually happening. Given my panel (along with yours) has motionflow 480 (960 in the case of the HX929) does Clear and Clear Plus actually engage the blinking? I know the HX929 is a 480Hz panel but has the ability to replicate 960Hz. Am I correct in my understanding that Smooth and Standard means it runs at 480Hz but smoother, and the "Clear" settings bump it up to 960Hz?

Reality Creation - What exactly is happening here? Just cranking the sharpness a bit?

Smooth Gradation - Same question?

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I agree but there are still those who feel the opposite, and some of those still refuse to embrace BD regardless and some who are still waiting for HDDVD to rise again from the ashes.

Completely understandabe...I'm still holding a grudge for the whole VHS vs. Betamax thing, not to mention vinyl vs cd vs digital downloads.
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The guy throwing around price quotes, is the guy quoting the rules. Priceless.

The guy actually knows the price rules and is trying to observe them as closely as possible, while making generic price forecasts. Because that guy actually respects the rules of AVS and its forum sponsors.

You, on the other hand, just like to throw brickbats.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Hello Wise HX929 Owners!

I actually do not own the HX929, but have come here because my TV has a severe lack of settings/calibration community. Having owned nearly 5 Sony LED's in the last couple years, I'm pretty versed in the differences but had some questions I was hoping someone may be able to answer.

Motionflow - What is the exact difference in these settings? I can read the i-manual but I'm wondering what is actually happening. Given my panel (along with yours) has motionflow 480 (960 in the case of the HX929) does Clear and Clear Plus actually engage the blinking? I know the HX929 is a 480Hz panel but has the ability to replicate 960Hz. Am I correct in my understanding that Smooth and Standard means it runs at 480Hz but smoother, and the "Clear" settings bump it up to 960Hz?

Reality Creation - What exactly is happening here? Just cranking the sharpness a bit?

Smooth Gradation - Same question?

MotionFlow Clear is scanning backlight http://www.presentationtek.com/2010/...ing-backlight/
all the other MotionFlow options are motion interpolation.

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The ''reality'' setting affects the apparent resolution while the ''clarity'' parameter increases the noice reduction.

This is an old DRC thread:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1236872

U find a lot of usefull information in the HX909 calibration thread which is started a pro http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1261223
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